Killing Joke at Webster Hall 10/22/03

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This is entirely biased, but for those curious (Ned and Tracer asked), herewith my report of last night's Killing Joke gig faithfully submitted to the Gathering. The names haven't been changed to protect anyone, because no one is innocent. - Alex in NYC

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God Bless Chock Full'o'Nuts Coffee, by gosh.

Incidentally, those of you looking for strictly gig details and a set-list are going to have to earn it, or wait for a less flowery and self-serving report from someone else.

Right. First comes the apologies. There is a troubled, private, roiling rubicon of near-pantsless drunkenness that I have been handily known to happily cross on many an occaission, whereupon after which I am churlishly renowned for expressing my outbursts of good will and bonhommie via striking various compadres on the shoulder, solarplexus, nape and/or sternum harder than they'd necessarily prefer, let alone expect. Suffice it to say, this point was swiftly passed in the very early hours of this morning, and if tale-tellin' Todd "Fluw" Wulfemeyer, Yosef "excitable" Exorcist, Teutonic Dynamo Dirk, Sir Michael "Don't Call Me Claude Rains" Coles, veritably bulky brick shithouse "New Guy" Mike and/or Ted "ask me another Prong question and you're going head first into the toilet" Parsons wanted to beat the snots outta me in due course for it, I wouldn't hold it against them. Still, could've been worse, right? At least my pants stayed on, right? (please tell me they did, fellas). All's well that ends...well, nevermind.

To quote Cat "Death to the Infadels" Stevens, morning has fucking broken. Quite an evening. At around 4:30 pm, after putting on my needlessly silly spikey belt and blow-drying my hair just so, I bounded out the door to the now-fabled (well, not really) Central Bar wherein I met....well, no one at first (though that didn't stop me from bellying up to the bar and igniting proceedings with a bang in the form of a pint of Yuengling, the first of way too many). In short order (though not in short stature), the estimable artisan we all know and manfully adore as Mike Coles arrived (in stylish leather coat, replete with "Laugh at Your Peril" badge) to -- as loathesome pop harpee P!nk might've said -- get this party started. After a bit, whilst the stoically sage-like Coles regailed me with yarns of olde involving the protoplasmic origins of Malicious Damge like a learned druid schooling a wide-eyed peasant lad, in walked three leggy ladies who extended a lithe, seductive didjit at my red MALICIOUS DAMAGE CLOCK shirt. "Alex?" asked the brunette. Turns out that this was big Cliff's wife, sister and sister's friend, all looking very sexy and tatooed and post-punk and all that. Suddenly, it was a genuine...er...gathering.

Shortly afterwards, in walked the Hamburgian force of supernature that is Dirk K. and his trusty sidekick Tim (himself also sporting the red Malicioud Damage clock shirt), and out went the girls (not as a result, mind you, but for the purposes of going home, changing and showering). Reduced again to a quartet of males, our little pirate ship settled in for more beers (Coles drinking Corona, the rest of us opting for Yuengling at my dubious suggestion). For those that give a toss, devilish Dirk came swaddled in the now-ancient Gathering t-shirt, rocking it "old school" as the brethren of the hip hop community might say (though, he was quick to point out, he sported an Extremities t- shirt underneath). Why Dirk saw fit to wear two t-shirts when one would've handily sufficed still eludes my comprehension.

After ordering some man-sized plates of charred animal flesh, lovingly adorned with cheese and chips, the garishly-painted doors of this fine establishmen swung wide yet again, and in strutted Todd "Fluw" Wulfemeyer, straight from the mean, blood-splattered streets of Albany (our fine state's capital city, for those of you keen on that sort of trivia). Bravely sporting the eye-catching and temper-temptin" ddrowning Liberty" t-shirt, his Fluwness gamely ordered himself a plate of "bangers'n'mash" (how very Brit of him) and a pint of Guiness and mucked right in. Having heard that the Exorcist, red-headed Robyn and various other folk were going to be late and would try to find us at the venue, it seemed our little gang of avengers was now fully assembled.

We'd heard initial reports that the band themselves (or at least Raven) might come and find us at the Central Bar, but those rumours revealed themselves to be sadly unfounded. After shovelling down our grub and hoisting a few more frothy beverages, we decided to ship out, leaving the comfy confines of the Central Bar (and inexplicably repeated airings of "Roundabout" by Yes on the soundsystem) behind us. Two city blocks and one corner later, the brightly lit marquee of Webster Hall came into full view....as well as the rather worrying sight of a big line-up (or "que" as you Brits might say). Dutifully taking our place at the back of it (much to our collective grumbling), our little brood of scowling Gatherers spied the crowd for any familiar faces. None found, but I spotted (and rather brazenly accosted) a rather large looking gent sporting the CONFIRM YOUR WORST FEARS/Central Point shirt, which I immediately pointed out to said-shirt's designer, Mike Coles. Turns out this big dude's name was John, and he did indeed procure that handsome garment through the Mal.Dam site, though he seemed to scoff at the notion that Mike Coles actually remembered the order. Why would we lie?

In due course, we ticket holders were allowed to jump the line (whilst the indie-rock loving, CMJ-badge-holding hordes in their ironic cardigans, sensible shoes and trucker caps) were left to wait in the damp. Fluw, meanwile, vanished for a bit to prize his ticket from the wilcall line. In we went.

Back in the day, Webster Hall was formerlly known as the Ritz and played host to every great band worth a damn in the 80s, the Joke included. Sometime around 1989, however, the owners of the Ritz pulled out of the operation and the venue morphed into Webster Hall, a niteclub in the same style as the then-hip Palladium and once-prominent Danceteria. I hand't been in the great room's interior since about 1994 when Redd Kross played (live music is a scarcity at Webster Hall, let alone decent live music). The main floor we shuffled into looked a bit like a high school prom, complete with dangling disco ball. We gawked around in a state of bemusement, ordering ourselves another round of beers (fuckin' SEVEN DOLLARS for a bottle of sitty Budweiser !?!?!?!?) and looked around for other Jokers. Fluw reappeared and we all repaired to the side bar for a bit.

Finding precious little excitment at said side bar, we ambled upstairs to take a gander at the crowd and see the stage. Once assembled, as if on cue, the lights dimmed and out strode a hirsute quintet of irritating hepcats who apparently call themselves The Fever, who proceeded to launch into a headache-inducing racket that couldn't have been more retrophillically derivative if earnestly attempted. After giving them a brief sporting chance (much to our furrowed-brows, shaking heads and expressions of abject disdain), we collectively decided to spare our hearing and repair back downstairs.

More beers followed. Dirk's buddy Tim found himself an easy chair near the television and settled in to soak up some baseball. The rest of us chatted amiably with a variety of CMJ characters. After a spell, in walked Yosef (I believe I'm spelling that correctly), otherwise known as The Exorcist (why he calls himself this, I do not know, but suffice it to say he was not wearing a priest's collar nor, to my knowledge, in possession of any holy water). I wandered about looking for other Gatherers. We spotted Cliff, himself toiling under the crack of Killing Joke's roadie whip, along with the drum tech from New Zealand, who looks like he could easily slit one up and down with a bowie knife before you could say "Picnic at Hanging Rock". Chatted with them briefly before they were summoned back to the trenches. I wobbled over to a little table in the back of the room where I'd spotted Bob Mould (shorn of hair and in suprisingly fit shape) and expressed my admiration, however somewhat insincerely. Never one to miss a promotional opportunity, he slipped a BLOWOFF flyer in my hand (his new electronic project) which I then proceeded to discard almost immediately upon leaving the room. Sorry, Bob.

Time passed. In my further wanderings, I was met by "New Guy Mike" and a lurker who disquietingly announced my name in a somewhat sinister tone named Adam (I think). The merch table was hawking the clown shirts, a bag Colesy's badges and a new, heretofore unspotted shirt design dubbed "Stone Face" (basically a pic of Jaz's face taken from the "Seeing Red" video, not at all unlike the homemade design Mik Raven posted some time ago). Like the dutiful fanboy, I bought one (treating the unsuspecting hordes to a thoroughly unsolicited viewing of my bare, pasty, pale torso as I slipped it on under the red MAL.DAM clock shirt) By around 10:30, we figured it would be prudent to secure a spot up by the stage, just in time to catch a set by the band VHS or Beta (and, honestly, can you think of a sillier name for a band?)

VHS or Beta basically play a discoey approximation of Gang of Four and sport hairstyles that recall a Small Faces-era Ron Wood. I didn't think they were entirely terrible (I think Coles tolerated them as well), but needless to say....they're no Killing Joke.

Done with that rabble, the bunch of us ploughed through the human cattle to the front (myself pushing aside a comely lass at the barricade, almost immediately lapsing into apologies for my boorish behavior, which she seemed to buy). That mission accomplished, in very short order, the lights dimmed again and....hello, what's this? KILLING JOKE TAKE THE STAGE!!!!!!!!! Raven strides right up to the front of the stage, greeting we the grinning faithful.


Honestly speaking? It's all a manic fucking blur. Jaz in now familiar Peruvian spider get-up and bug-eyed visage of impending doom, Raven in camo shorts, POLIZIE t-shirt, warpaint and signature wool cap, Geordie in kneepadded "interesting pants" and unbothered expression of coolster insouciance, Parsons a bald-head machine of stick-flailing death. On the keybs was a fresh-faced gent named Nick, looking quite the youngster but handling his duties with aplomb. Rookie roadie Cliff sat aside the stage in the ready position, often dutifully scampering about like a ball-boy at Wimbledon. Some technical problems blighted the early bits of the set, but I honestly didn't notice (as I was entirely busy trying to shove the metal, cattle-hurding barricades THROUGH THE FUCKING STAGE in a state of Joke-fueled apoplexy like a froth-mouthed epileptic). Herewith the set-list (thank you Cliff for the artefact, by the way)...

* "Communion"
* "Requiem"
* "Total Invasion"
* "Wardance"
* "Blood on Your Hands"
* "Change"
* "Seeing Red"
* "The Wait"
* "Whiteout"
* "Pssyche"

From what I could tell, the crowd was pretty into it (though I would've liked to have seen a bit more movement). I believe Dirk was chastised by some figure of authority for attempting to get a pit going. What's New York City coming to? Ya can't smoke? Ya can't dance? It might be time to move to the country, methinks. At one brief point (I want to say during "Change," but I might be mistaken) some entirely foolhardy lad leaped down from what I believe was the BALCONY onto the stage, whereupon he was summarily treated to a roughnecked "bouncer sandwich" and jostlingly bundled off to what I can only imagine was a late evening of moist-eyed wound-licking. Silly boy.

And as soon as we were reaching that white hot level of synchronized band-crowd intensity.....it was over. Thanks for coming. No encore (which I believe was CMJ's doing, not the band's). Once we spotted the drum kit being disassembled, we knew the proverbial fat lady had chirped.

Stumbling around, trying to organize some semblance of a plan, Fluw and I bounded upstairs, looking for the band. From behind the stage door, along comes Jaz looks suprisingly relaxed, resplendent in black with signature Indian Jones hat. Fluw and I dutifully express our boundless gratitude (I believe I told Jaz I was thinking of naming my impending child after him). He could not have been nicer. Out walks Geordie, looking a bit miffed to be honest, though I cannot say why. Fluw and I basically deduce that he is not to be bothered. Back downstairs we go and meet red-haired and pig-tailed Robyn and her pal Sean, whom we unsuccessfully invite with us to the nearby Black'n'White Bar for a drink.

Outside the venue, we give a knock on the tour bus and Raven yanks us inside for a brief, blurred round of affable howayas. We mention that we're all going to the Black'n'White Bar to continue the merriment. Parsons says he'll be along shortly.

Once back outside, off we go the bar one block away, where we are soon joined by Ted Parsons, keyboardist Nick Walker (who had to go BACK to the bus to fetch his passport to prove his age to the unsmiling bouncer), Troy Gregory (!!!!!...who looks bizarrely like a younger version of Jaz) various roadies, an ex-Swan (old pal of Ted's) and Cliff's trio of lovely ladies. Many, many drinks and photographs followed (watch this space soon for those) and it was at this point that I became more of a blabbering loon than usual, initiating the afore-mentioned practice of shoulder-hitting, much to the chagrin of my fellow bar patron. Ted Parsons, Nick Walker and Troy Gregory were all complete champs and chatted with us like members of the extended family. Raven, it seems, has sworn off heavy-bevvy comsumption and remained behind to store up his strength for the next gig. I gather the night before, Coles saw the band in fighting martini-swigging form, so their batteries needed a recharging I suppose.

Hours and dollars later, it was all over. The boys in the band repaired back to the bus. Exorcist fled back to Queens. Fluw and Colesy repaired back to the Union Square Hotel. The German contingent departed for their hotel in midtown, and I wobbled the two blocks back to my home, though not before Cliff handed me the setlist outside the venue (where Coles was convinced we were going to pound on the tourbus door to wake up Jaz and Geordie....we didn't).

And that was that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 October 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Wot no 'Eighties''?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 24 October 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope, sadly.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 October 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Genius stuff. Hurrah!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 October 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

did my morning jacket honor the fire?

geeta (geeta), Friday, 24 October 2003 06:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, we didn't stick around for them. I mean, why bother? There was drinking and to be done elsewhere. Apparently, there was a touch of backstage friction when the boys in VHS or Beta extolled the merits of My Morning Jacket as they were exiting the stage ("stay tuned for a really great band coming up....My Morning Jacket!"), just prior to the Joke's set, prompting some zealous middle-finger diplays and vocal stroppiness from Raven.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 October 2003 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe they just had the order wrong. I know the VHS or Beta guys and they're not the type to be dicks for no reason.

hstencil, Friday, 24 October 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks alex....the review bodes well for their visit to vancouver on nov.11 [rememberance day here]. just wish the club they are at [richard's on richards] wasn't such a shitbox. hoping they play more than ten tunes as well...

william (william), Saturday, 25 October 2003 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Good luck with that. Reports from Thursday night's show in D.C. were that Jaz might be feeling a bit under the weather health-wise. Here's hoping he rebounds before Vancouver!

Just got some pics back. I can scan them in, but have nowhere to host them as yet. Stay tuned for those (if y'all care, that is).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 25 October 2003 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

have the pics been put up yet,alex?

william (william), Sunday, 26 October 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex I can put them up if you want!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 26 October 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Must scan them in first. But, I'll happily take anyone up their offers to host them (thanks, Tracer!) Stay tuned, watch this space, etc....

In the meantime, here's an unintentionall hilarious photo from the Baltimore gig (courtesy of the Gathering):

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stabnburn/killingjokef1.jpg

Do these men look at all well?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not easy being green. Um, but which bandmember there has the unfortunate goal of wanting to look like Fred Durst gone commando?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

That would be Raven.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, Charlie Watts is lookin good these days!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex! Have you ever thought of becoming a writer? That review was freaking AWESOME!

It was so awesome that as a matter of fact I have decided to take AsiaKitty out of school and we will follow the band on their remaining N. American dates!

I have printed out your review for AK to read since it is quite lenthy and we only have one computer on line...I hear her gasping and saying, "Oh God!" ...She can hardly wait to get to one of these gatherings.

Ok, my girlfriend also saw them in her home town and was going off about how freaking great they are and since I hang on her every recommendation I will go down to Slim's forthwith and buy the kid and myself some advance tix.

If any of the locals are looking for me at the gig, I'll be the middle-aged one in the mini-skirt shaking my non-existent ass to Wardance. AK will be the one with the embarrassed look, mumbling, "Mommy, please stop."

BurmaKitty (BurmaKitty), Monday, 27 October 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

http://members.aol.com/motelhell/KJ-Webster-Hall-2003/images/Jaz3.jpg

The pics are up, for those that are curious....see'em here:

http://members.aol.com/motelhell/KJ-Webster-Hall-2003

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 October 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

please elaborate on the peruvian spider thing/look?

kephm, Monday, 27 October 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

uh...Alex, I told AsiaKitty you wanted me to make sure she knows that Dave Grohl is not with Killing Joke...she said:

He's so stupid! I already knew that! I know he did the album before the tour and wasn't going on tour with them! Aargh!

I told you she was developing an attitude.

BurmaKitty (BurmaKitty), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

please elaborate on the peruvian spider thing/look?

It's a detail of the vast carvings in the earth from the Nazca Plane in Peru. Ala...

http://www.anthroarcheart.org/grfx/j9f.JPG

http://www.infotravelperu.com/photos/nazca/araignee.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Another, for those having trouble loading pic page.....

http://members.aol.com/motelhell/KJ-Webster-Hall-2003/images/JazRaven2.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

http://members.aol.com/motelhell/KJ-Webster-Hall-2003/images/Geordie2.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, love the post concert masterpiece. Almost makes me wish I had been sweating it out at Webster with you. I damn well know better.....but almost.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Alex! Was Jaz able to sing falseto on "Blood On Your Hands"?

I'd also like to know wich version of "Wardance" they played.

I'm going to see them inn two weeks. I can't wait! Hope Jaz is better by then.

Aja (aja), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I just might have to go see these guys on Saturday.... surely they'll play more than the CMJ truncated setlist that Alex posted..

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

They played the conventional version of "Wardance." Jaz is back in fighting-form. Recent set-lists have included older gems like "Empire Song," "Follow the Leader", "Kings & Queens" and "Frenzy". See them!!!

I have more pics from the evening on the way, incidentally, if anyone gives a rolling rat-fuck.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

They played "Empire Song"! That and "Kings and Queens" have been stuck in my head all day.

Aja (aja), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

A report from a fellow Gatherer [Dave A.] regarding their recent stop in Toronto:

A very good evening tonight! Lee's Palace was sold out and there seemed to be a decent age mix as well.

The Joke were in top form and it was difficult for me to believe that =
they cancelled Philly only a couple of days ago. Our boy Cliff did a great job helping Geordie sound good (and Geordie DOES seem to be quite the task master. He seemed quite annoyed when there wasn't a towel handy on top of his amp!). A near perfect performance by our favourite guitar god.

Ted was fucking great. He's definitely a keeper. I really want to her him on a studio album.

Jaz was in a good mood and really seemed to be in his element. No sign of the flu affecting his performance whatsoever.

Raven was ever aware and looked like he was ready for anything.

To round it all out the keyboards were nicely handled too.

All in all, I'd have to say that maybe it wasn't the most intense KJ show I've been to, but it's a very close second without question. I'd also have to say that the sound was DEFINITELY the best that I've ever heard them.

The band had three encores, even though I'm not sure that we got any more songs than other cities (maybe they were checking to see how Jaz was holding up). It was great to hear the classics The Wait, Change, Frenzy, The Fall of because mixed in with the new material. Blood on Your Hands, Total Invasion, Seeing Red and Asteroid really got the crowd going.

At the end of the show, Jaz gave Raven a hug, gave Ted a hands out exhaulted bow and a hug to Geordie. He patted his heart and thanked the crowd and said that this makes his life worthwhile. He then shouted out to the crowd "You'll see us back in 2004! That's a promise that you can bet your life on!"

I can hardly wait!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 October 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

His review wasn't even half as long as yours Alex.

Aja (aja), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

He doesn't type as fast as I do either.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, I got my mom mad and she was looking for something to take away. She picked up a Kill Joke single my dad gave me, put it down and took away my Nirvana tape.(She didn't really take it away. I'm looking right at it right now. I just can't watch it untill I earn it back.)

Aja (aja), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Kill Joke

Sorry Alex. I meant Killing Joke.

Aja (aja), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

You're better off without the Nirvana tape.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

No I am not. That tape has a live version of "Negitive Creep" with Dave drumming. I am so not better off.

Aja (aja), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Please...indulge me. Let's not pollute this thread with needless invocations of Nirvana.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 October 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

You started it Alex. But, still let's stop it. I admit that my vast wanderings have never included the Killing Joke, but on your obsession I'm downloading said now. Can't wait.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

You started it Alex.

Ah, I think you'll find that it was not I that first used the dreaded "N" word here. Also, I'm trying to wean Aja off her Dave Grohl fixation. He's a great drummer and a cool guy and all, but c'mon....he's not the messiah. I think he provided a much-neede jolt of adrenalin into the new Joke album (and generated a bit of extra press), but it's Geordie who still defines the sound of Killing Joke.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

my coworkers band "Amen" is on tour with them!!

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Friday, 31 October 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

You have a coworker in Amen? Weren't they famous for a couple of seconds there?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Casey Chaos is a big pal of Raven's. They did a cover of the Joke's "Europe" as well. Too bad Amen's own stuff is tuneless and dull.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 October 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

yah hes the new bass player.

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Friday, 31 October 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, I got another Killing Joke album. I'm listening to it right now.

Aja (aja), Saturday, 1 November 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

which?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 November 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I got Night Time.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

A fine, fine choice.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Thankyou. I'm really enjoying it. I think my mom likes "Night Time". You think there's any chance they'll play it when we see them.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The only tracks from Night Time they're honetstly likely to play are "Kings & Queens" (which they've played on a few recent stops) and maybe "Love like Blood," but I sincerely doubt that, actually (they're probably quite sick of it). No real chance of hearing "Eighties" anymore, sadly.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks. I'd love to hear "Kings & Queens." I wouldn't mind hearing "LOve Like Blood." My mom hates "Eighties" so it's probly better they don't play it when we see them.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

My mom hates "Eighties"

Tell her I'm never speaking to her again, then.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

You can't do that Alex. She likes "Night Time" and "Wardance."

Is "Eighties" your favorite song or someting?

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

There's no "or something" about it. "Eighties" is far and away my favorite song OF ALL TIME, DAMMIT!!!!.....and I won't hear a bad word spoken of it, lest the blasphemer in question dare entertain a bleak and unbearable future of suffering the eternal torments of the forver damned!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Really. That was the first song I ever heard by Killing Joke. Honestly, I like "The Wait", "Complications", "Kings & Queens", "Night Time", "Empire Song", "Wardance", and almost everything on their latest album more than "Eighties". But I don't hate it either.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

far and away

What exactly does thaty phrase mean?

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

By a long shot, by a country mile, easily without exception, etc.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok. But you can't honestly like "Eighties" more than "The Wait."

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok. But you can't honestly like "Eighties" more than "The Wait."

Sure I can, and do, as a matter of fact. Moreover, as great as "the Wait" indeed is, the Joke have several songs superior to it in their arsenal, notably (to my ears) "Follow the Leader," "Harlequin", "A New Day", "Money is Not Our God", "Tension", "Chop Chop", "Darkness Before Dawn" and "Let's All Go (To the Fire Dances)".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.speakeasy.org/~exorcist/kj2003/09.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Well out of all those songs, the only one I've heard is "Darkness Before Dawn."

Alex, do you have a live version of "Eighties"?

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

You'll be happy to know I'm listening to "Eighties" right now.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, do you have a live version of "Eighties"?

Several.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Great. Then why don't you listen to then and quit whining about how they're not playing it any more.

I have a live version too. I like the live versions of "Night Time", "Kings & Queens", "Love Like Blood", "Complications", "Empire Song", "Wardance", and "The Wait" more.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Great. Then why don't you listen to then and quit whining about how they're not playing it any more.

Don't make me set you on fire and spread your ashes on unhallowed ground, child.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

How would you do that? We're like 3,000 miles away from each other.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, if you like "Eighties", you must like "Come As You Are".

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

This conversation is over.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/jaz/jaz35.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 2 November 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

No it's not. Do you have the dance version of "Eighties"? It's eight minutes long. I didn't buy it.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Great. I geuss you could say "you've got boold on you're hands" to me because my nose is bleeding. This happened yesterday.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean yesterday as well as right now.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 2 November 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, I honoured the fire last night!!

I went to the Killing Joke show - they were great! It was a lot of fun, I'm glad I decided to go. I saw a bunch of my older friends who I hadn't seen in a while, old crusty veterans of Chicago rock. Funny how these older punk and post-punk groups seem to be the only thing that can get a certain segment out to shows these days (the Rocket From the Tombs show was the same way).

So yeah, the band was fun. Geordie is definitely cool to watch - he plays with a lot of style. I just wish I could have heard him better! The sound was totally shit, but that's par for the course for the shitty Metro. It was all low end, the bass rumbling really sort of obliterated everything. And since Geordie so often plays in higher registers, a lot was lost. Still, his signature guitar tone was somewhat discernable and sounded great. Parsons sounded great - he fits with them; it was a natural choice, really. Coleman had the exact same get-up as in your pic up there. Raven was rocking the "Polizie" shirt.

The setlist was like first album stuff every other song. 2nd was "Requiem", 4th was "Complications" and 6th was "Wardance". They played "The Wait" toward the end of the set. Um ... I don't remember everything else - I'm not hugely familiar with their stuff (haven't heard the new one yet, either) - but they definitely played "Kings and Queens" off Night Time (the only song from that lp, I'm pretty sure) and "The Fall of Because" from What's This For... The encore consisted of two songs ... neither of which I recognized.

...wait, I just checked AMG to look at their song titles and I think they probably played "Dregs" from Revelations (I don't own that lp). I thought they were saying "red!!" in the chorus, but I bet it was "dregs".

So yeah, a good time was had by all. It's funny cuz as I was standing there watching the show with some buddies I was totally thinking that I probably wouldn't have made it out without your proselytizing. I was feeling kind of lazy. But I had never seen them before, and I haven't seen that many rock shows this year (like only 3 or 4!), and I was kind of in the mood to be rocked. And it did rock!

Oh, and that opening band was HORRIBLE. Christ in heaven, were they bad.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 3 November 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah, they definitely played "Change" at some point too.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 3 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought they were saying "red!!" in the chorus, but I bet it was "dregs".

That was "Seeing Red" off the new one. There's a greater chance of Ruth Buzzy being elected president than there is of the band dusting off "Dregs" for their current live set.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 November 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad my proselytizing was a primary movitvator, Mr.D!!!

Who was the opening band? Was it Amen?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 November 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Because no one asked for it.....check out a new page of even more pics from this monumental evening! Huzzah!

http://members.aol.com/ludlowstr/KJ-Webster-Hall-2003/

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, Alex - I never answered you; yes it was Amen.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.studio-c.co.uk/maliciousdamage/graphics/clock.jpg


NO HOME SHOULD BE WITHOUT!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 November 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

CLEAR --- !!!!!

I just like to keep reviving this thread, as I can't believe they've already come and gone....though rumours about that they'll (the Joke) be back touring the East Coast in March/April.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
http://www.killing-joke.com/albums/album02/aad.sized.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 December 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

GEORDIE!

Right?

Aja (aja), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Correct......

Lots of activity in the Killing Joke pipeline these days.....

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

http://killing-joke.com/index1.html

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I was rereading an artical about the new album in a magazine last night. They interviewed Geordie. There is also a picture of him.

Aja (aja), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Click the above link, Aja, and follow the links to a recent chat....words from Raven & Jaz await.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

alex im at work right now with my pal from amen he just got off tour and told me hes going to prague in july to record with jaz!

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh God!

Aja (aja), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, are you still up?

Aja (aja), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...
due to the lovely Fiver offer @ Fopp i decided to plump for the latest KJ album. and i have to say its very special stuff. not a fan as such due to some previous cr*p reason which i now have to erradicate, the lp is quite simply stunning. so found this review and just wanted to say "Ta" Alex.
which therefore leads to the Q .. of the earlier albums .. which should i plump for. oh, hang on .. there will be other threads .. off to hit the search ..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 3 June 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, it's a great album. Alex turned me on. TO THE ALBUM. He turned me on to the album.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 3 June 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

1. What's THIS For...!
2. 1st s/t
3. Revelations
4. Extremities, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions
5. (Killing Joke)
6. Night Time
7. Fire Dances
8. Democracy
9. Pandemonium
10. Brighter Than A Thousand Suns

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 June 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

lovely stewart. will bear in mind when digging. ta.

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex will, of course, disagree VIOLENTLY.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

cant bloody wait ..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I am quaking in fear that he will summons huge plagues and pestilences to rain down on my head, for having dared to honour the fire in an incorrect and / or inappropriate order or manner.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

You really shouldn't bother with Outside The Gate 'though.

Or worse still The Courtauld Talks.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

you're just trying to lure him into action aren't you ..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 3 June 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

He must be contemplating today or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 June 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry for the delay....we're moving office this week, y'see, and I've haven't had the usual amount of time to exhort like a vengeful mouthpiece of infernal malice.

But, be that as it may....regarding Stew's ranking:

1. What's THIS For...!
2. 1st s/t
3. Revelations
4. Extremities, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions
5. (Killing Joke)
6. Night Time
7. Fire Dances
8. Democracy
9. Pandemonium
10. Brighter Than A Thousand Suns

Do you really prefer Democracy to Brighter..? Beyond that, it's perfectly reasonable (although I'd have probably ranked Night Time much higher).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 June 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

35 songs I like better than Eighties
1. We are the Champions
2. Personal Jesus
3. Don't Fear the Reaper
4. Stairway to Heaven
5. She's Got Balls
6. The Boys are Back in Town
7. Surrender
8. Steamrock Fever
9. The Sky is Burning
10. Space Station #9
11. Yellow Submarine
12. Shattered
13. Dust in the WInd
14. Lights Out London
15. Living after Midnight
16. One Night in Bangkok
17. Heartbreak Hotel
18. Stand by Me
19. Stand by Your Man
20. Here Comes my Man
21. Theme from Gilligan's Island
22. Theme from Three's Company
23. God Bless America
24. Torn
25. Girls Just Wanna Have Fun
26. Money
27. Smoke on the Water
28. Just me and the Boys
29. Spiderman
30. Banana Splits Theme
31. Locals Only
32. Cherub
33. Hangover
34. Farewell to Kings
35. Whiskey River

IAMNOTMOMUS, Friday, 4 June 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I was about to type 35 reasons why you're a tepid dollop of spooge, but it's really not worth the effort, is it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I was about to type 35 reasons why you're a tepid dollop of spooge, but it's really not worth the effort, is it.

This is coming from a guy who likes a song like Eighties. Spare me.

IAMNOTMOMUS, Friday, 4 June 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yawn.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)


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