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there are two new trends i want to get a handle on. devil-trax (i think this is drumless 8bar but for some reason it reminds me of ghost-trax in d&b) and knarz basslines (beats me, but must have something to do with angry bees). can anyone give me examples?

also, do you think when thinking/writing about dance music it is more important to understand the history, motifs, trademarks than with other types of music which aren't so based on scenes. dance music seems to evolve in a different way to other music, trends and styles are jumped on, copied to death, and then the scene moves on. i mean, do you think the often mentioned hardcore continuum is important when listening to new music. d'you think you need to know your mentasms, reeses, amens, wild pitch to understand dance music as a culture.

i mean, it is not like i am ever gonna nod my head to a tune proclaiming it the knarziest. i hope.

― nebbesh (nebbesh), Friday, 24 October 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually the best way to cover dance music is to LIE LIE LIE as much as possible and make things sound as wonderful and fantastic as possible. Whatever you do, do NOT keep it real.

Did I ever tell you the story of how I took Arthur Russell to his first disco back in the day?

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I've heard the beatless 8-bars and they're often really bizare, like sick eerie ambient stuff. It's kind of the point where the grime and Cannibal Ox really do converge.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 25 October 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Meant to say "i've heard some beatless 8-bars..."

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 25 October 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

knarz = straight up german style techno. so think dj rush or thomas heckmann or anything fast, bangin and 4/4 on force inc. or djax or harthouse or sonic groove from about five years ago.

i have no idea what a knarz bassline is though since most of this stuff is base on hats snares and kicks that go "tic-tac-BOOM" over and over. i think they must mean somewhere between the recent d+b basslines and old-school acid lines.

jeez where's siegbran when you need him?

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 25 October 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

history, motifs, trademarks than with other types of music which aren't so based on scenes

i won't laugh at statements like this when i stop seeing endless references to early 70s nyc, early 80s manchester, stooges-era detroit, no depression, early 90s louisville ky, etc fuckin etc

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 25 October 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Knarz was an alias of Thomas Heckmann circa 1999/2000 - I don't know if this has evolved into a genre name, but don't you mean "Schranz" (hard & banging syncopated techno like Chris Liebing)?

― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 26 October 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, you're right! i do mean schranz. thomas heckmann circa 1999 would have fit in with schranz-at-large, right?

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 26 October 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

This beatless 8-bar sounds wonderful, could anyone recommend anything soulseekable?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

is chris liebing any good?
(as a dj)
he's playing here this week,i was thinking of going in but i heard a mix on the radio and it sounded fairly like by the numbers hard loop techno..

― robin (robin), Monday, 27 October 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

He's great - don't let his German superstar status put you off, I rate him right up there with Rush. The thing with this hard 'n repetitive stuff is that it will always suck when you hear it on the radio/at home, it only comes alive at a club/rave.

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

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