The Construction 'X for people who don't like X' -- C/D?

I sort of think this stuff has really got broken down a) by the brief brilliant bootleg boom, and b) by JT.

Tico -- I suppose it is, yes, but these phrases are still essentially in the armoury of any (ex-) indie kid.

Tico -- I think it's 'indie' cos, I suppose, that sort of way of thinking about music, taboo genres, etc, is more indie than anything else. Hip-hop shares it a bit, but is still more hetegenerous (probably mot a word, but a good one).

i'm quite sure my mum would be scandalised by 'spread'...

Mmm, I can see how you would say that, but my first post on the thread was trying to note a more positive way around it -- "Gee, if you like that, you'll probably LOVE this." Sort of a 'why stop there?' thought -- not that I think that's been an overt reaction from fans of the Darkness on here in particular, to narrow down the focus again, but I sometimes wonder if that's a subtext, that people don't WANT to know any more than the Darkness (and maybe Andrew WK as well).

I'm also not really down with the whole "paying dues" aspect of fandom - there are tons of bands I would never had heard of if someone hadn't taken the time to play for them for me, knowing full well they probably weren't things I would have thought to listen to on my own (at least at the time).

is alisdair roberts scottish folk for people who don't listen to scottish folk? cuz he's on drag city and will oldham likes him. he's playing around here and i'd never heard him and i went to youtube and some of his stuff is pretty trad but i got the feeling that people who buy his records probably aren't "folk" fans? or maybe they are. i dunno. does he play at folk festivals?

he floats between groups and sometimes plays with people who aren't folk musicians but I think his audience, and the kind of shows he plays, is probably pretty evenly split between the trad folk ppl and the more indie group you get from being on Drag City and hanging around with who he hangs around with in Glasgow. Basically an indie guy turned serious folk guy without really abandoning the former thing. He did a really good collection of Scottish stuff from the Lomax archives for Drag City a couple of years ago - http://www.dragcity.com/products/whaur-the-pig-gaed-on-the-spree-scottish-recordings-by-alan-lomax

love the guy but I've always got the impression that dudes who go to and/or play in actual folk clubs dgaf about Alasdair Roberts, or for that matter pretty much anyone else on the kind of indie labels which get talked about on here

the level of research he puts into (not exclusively) Scottish folk balladry and suchlike seems pretty impressive tho. no flies on him in that regard.

just curious - how did you find this thread? were you reading it due to some random search and just came up with a question of your own? did you search to see if a thread with text like "x for people who don't like x" had any hits, so you could ask this question? do you just remember it from years ago? It seems like these decade-old, short, non band-specific threads get bumped a lot and I have to wonder, how did you find this?

i just searched for some variation of x for x. i figured there was something similar. didn't want to start a new thread.

obviously there are tons of examples like this. just wonder if people who buy his records delve any deeper. probably some do. i mean i think of johnny cash as country for people who don't listen to a lot of country. some people don't need a lot of country in their life. or more scottish folk. sometimes a little dab will do you.

it kinda made me wish that more indie labels with good cred would put out more uh i dunno trad stuff. or just stuff that should be heard by more people that isn't necessarily will oldham-like. which is the only reason i brought this up. some of the stuff i heard by him sounded like it could be on a folk label. there wasn't anything about it that said drag city. on the other hand i listened to josephine foster stuff for the first time cuz she was playing here and even though she has the folkie thing going on she definitely sounded more indie/undie on the stuff i heard. music joanna newsom fans would like.

reading that book on impulse records i thought it was cool that since bob thiele was such a trad/swing jazz fan, he kinda made it hip to buy records by old-timers just cuz they were on his hip jazz label that had all the new sounds on it. they were hip by association. so people would buy a johnny hodges record along with their coltrane just cuz it was on impulse. sneak attack.

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April 13: Cambridge: Alasdair Roberts + haeti...

^^ alasdair roberts thread

i like roberts a lot but i don't know how much he fits the construction of this thread's OP.

his more contempo records just seem like contempo (indieish) folk to me - literate lyrics, somewhat insular, muso performance, indieish worldview, youthful mindset. i think the drumming on 'spoils' is pretty loose/free. there's a 'rap' (in welch iirc?) on 'wonder working stone'.

his more trad, researchy records don't interest me so much because they're more trad - i think what i miss is a spark to his songwriting that comes out most when his songs are his-but-folk-mode.

as far as i know his voice is one of the few things exclusively scottish about his records (irish and english songs, music etc.).

oh okay i must have missed the more indie stuff on youtube.

i think of the recent albums w/ 'friends', or the mairi morrison collab, as the more trad-ish, tho 'wonder working stone' is presented as w/ 'friends' (but w/ roberts originals). i've never heard his oldest folky records.

best song on 'spoils':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzks24t7HOc