let us now talk about my twin obsessions with 'the earlies' and 'the baptist generals'

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before i go into a meandering spiel - without anyone answering - which will make the spiel lonely and afraid - has anyone heard these bands?

― cool kid of death, Thursday, 30 October 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i own records by both yet have heard neither. damn you unlistened pile!

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

btw doomie i hear you were mean to a friend of mine on the twisted nerve board. bad doomie!!

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

btw doomie i hear you were mean to a friend of mine on the twisted nerve board. bad doomie!!

oh yeah? who?

― cool kid of death, Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)

ipsofacto

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i wasnt mean he got all crazy upset about me saying 'who cares'? i can't hold the hand of every sensitive indie boy!

― cool kid of death, Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a girl and fair enough i guess. i was defending you to her but she wasn't convinced. either way i wasn't involved so yeah anyway

i should crack out these records sharpish. i wish remastering vinyl wasn't so labour intensive

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, and you can't defend me, life is too short!!! anyhoo ... she had the issue and i let her get on with the issue but she kept on trailling me and trying to bait. then a bunch of my friends on the board went after her because well, it just went on and on, but i had nothing to do with it ... i just ignored it.

yeah, get the records out and tell me what you think - check the generals one song 'brothers keep a log of hope'...

― cool kid of death, Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck - the earlies are in manchester. stazi have a queen is dead gig friday night - if you were in england it would be a blast jim!

― cool kid of death, Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

it certainly would. i could catch up with my ex girlfriend for a start!!

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

stazi are mad, jim. and rowetta is going to be there!

― cool kid of death, Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

say hi to her for me, and that she was great in 24H party peeps

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i would be she scares me!!!! you have not lived until you heard the sounds of electronic machines breaking down and rowetta screaming FUCK YOU WE ARE STAZI FUCK YOU WE ARE STAZI FUCK YOU WE ARE STAZI whilst jet plan to beat stazi up after self-medicating, obviously.

― cool kid of death, Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

jet? as in "are you gonna be my girl" jet?!

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, that 'jet' - i expect tomorrow to be crazier. the har mar childstar - (person who dances in mexican wrestling masque and ladies underwear really pissed jet off ... i think it's because he was on the bar dancing ontop of it...

― cool kid of death, Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...

revive! because this thread was derailed into the ILM equivalent of a bad Richard Meltzer review...

about the Baptist Generals -

I was a little late on this, but...wot a great band! anyone have that excretio (or whatever its called) tape? its not on soulseek!

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

No, tell me more about it. Subpop says new album next spring if the band can keep itself together for that long.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

why? are they, erm, volatile?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I was in Dallas last week and found a BG mini-CD, "The Crave Annex" - sounds like demos/even more lo-fi stuff for No Silver/No Gold with some extra tracks.

The people I know in Denton's "music scene" aren't too fond of the group as a whole. Apparently some prima donna issues or something.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah. I think so. That was implied. If you listen to 'Ay Distress' from the No Silver/No Gold where he screams FUUUUUUUUUUCK and starts trashing the studio mid-song - you would think.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't those guys a little old for prima-donna syndrome?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I've toured with the Baptist Generals at least twice and they're fabulous, lovable guys who bring their A-game every night despite often running into terrible luck (their transmission tends to fry on the first night of tour...EVERY TIME. I'd guess the primadonna thing is player-hating 'cause I've seldom met more gracious people.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

also, the story behind that "FUUUUUCK" is that he smashed the shit out of his hand while recording

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Milo - is that of which you speak available to the mass market. I@m in England and have been picking their stuff up fairly cheap but on Munich Records - not the Subpop label.

Yeah, prima-donnas, I could *see* that, but perhaps because the songs are strangely primitive and emotional, if their is a band that *bleeds* convincingly whilst not being emo, its the Generals.

Hey John its Doomie - liked yer Roky Erikson liners. Which the Baptists remind me of!

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno - the prima donna thing - I have to agree with John, I think it must be player hating because this is 'let's rip open my subconscious psyche and realise that it is a raw rainy day in February Fuck You' sort of harshness.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone hear heard 'Dog'?

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

hi doomie! 'Dog' is good, but the next album, whose new songs they were playing every night on the last tour, is going to awesome if they get those songs right - the melodies are getting really mid-tempo mournful, which is about my favorite kinda thing

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that No Silver/No Gold?

I got into the Generals through a Jane Weaver recommendation. Pretty raw stuff. John have you heard of another singer songerwriter called 'Micah P Hinson' by any chance. He's another texan.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

When did you tour with them?

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never encountered the band, so I dunno. Player-hating makes sense, as back-biting is the norm up there.

I d/led Dog, but haven't listened to it yet.

Crave Annex apparently isn't an available release, it's a show-only thing that Good Records got hold of. I'll put it on Slsk if I can get my laptop working again (or pirate Vir*ual PC).
The track listing:

Regard For Flight
Under A Cloud
Creeper
Ay Distress
Move Dischordia
Alcohol
Going Back Song

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Huh.

Damn.

I bought Dog and No Gold/No Silver but downloaded a bunch of traxx but the obsession took hold and when I got the albums - I deleted those tracks because they already appeared on No Gold/No Silver. So they are *rawer* *blinks eyes* then the versions on No Gold/No Silver?

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Quite a bit, yeah. Going Back Song sounds like it was recorded in a cave (that's a good thing),

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow.

I'll go and seek.

'Cause the sound of Dog is like bluegrass crackhouse talking blues.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

So there is just: Crave Annex, Dog and No Silver/No Gold? Nothing else happening?

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

There was an EP on SubPop that I haven't heard.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.home.zonnet.nl/jim2873/generals/music.html

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll bug Subpop to step up to my blag. Locating the Baptist Generals in London, England is a weird thing. Found one (No SIlver/No Gold) in a discount shop and Dog stuck in the Virgin dance dance dance sale.

You should try and check out Micah P Hinson and the Earlies. Texas is beginning to rock without that damn hippie cult - The Polyphonic Spree!

Cheers for the linxx.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Jimmy - link(s) to this Micah Hinson person and Earlies persons please

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently Hinson and his band have released a bunch of stuff on the Starlit label in Abilene.

I can't believe there's even a record label in Abilene.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/hinsonpmicah/hinsonpmicah.html

www.theearlies.com

micah is signed to sketchbook in the uk. but its not online anymore??!! look on mp3.com for micah demos. i dig them.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

http://melodic.co.uk/index_fr.html?/melo020cd.htm

The earlies and micah p hinson are on this comp. the earlies are producing micah p hinson - i've got a rough draft of an article i did about the earlies somewhere around here...

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22micah+p+hinson%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N

his poetry is really bad. but the songs are good. he went down a storm in manchester.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't find the interview i did with the earlies for the arts mag. damn. that was a fun article. they are like warp rekkerds v. the monkees. manchester band with a texas singer.

― Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

naw it's not the "No Silver" stuff, it's the stuff they're working on now - really Chris's best songs yet, esp. this one that has the line "not 'til we give up the station" in it, which is meaningless by itself but just RINGS in the song. I toured with 'em in October of last year out to the west, and before that on the fall 2002 tour.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

Whatever happened to the Baptist Generals? This band was great!!

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

five years pass...

http://www.americansongwriter.com/2013/05/full-album-stream-the-baptist-generals-jackleg-devotional-to-the-heart/

new one out next week, streaming now and it's REALLY good. j0hn wasn't kidding about "broken glass," but the back half just opens up into something totally gorgeous and cinematic - there are some breathtaking string arrangements, but it still manages to maintain a lot of that rawness. love it

― scream blahula scream (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 17 May 2013 19:50 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

Why are we talking about Kanye and Mikael Cronin and horseshit like that when this amazing fucking record is out in the world being awesome? I just don't know anymore, man.

― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:56 (twelve years ago)

Sigh. Just me?

Very crappy review on pfork today by the usually pretty reliable Stephen Deusner. In my journalism classes, they taught us if you're going to characterize somebody's lyrics as "antiquated language" full of "poetic phrasing," you should at least provide an example.

― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 21 June 2013 14:55 (twelve years ago)

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