Softsynths as punk rock vs Real Synths as prog rock

i see prog. as softsynths, ie presets, the ascension of the chorus effect, cheesy industrial.

i hope add x to n didn't wreck too many synths, since those things are irreplaceable -- that would be bad punk

good punk is the sort of modular arrangements only facilitated by all the jacks on the real synths, in combination with tapes/ samples and maybe instruments. Really industrial. The DIY of (definite punks) Throbbing Gristle (in their good phase).

however, that's no excuse at all for add x to n in this example

(i knew of a business that built a lot of it's own industrial machines. when it was taken over to just get one machine, the over-takers smashed about 20 unique one-off bit's of machinery, and just kept the machine they wanted. The 20 unique one-off machines could have been useful to rivals in a business the overtakers couldn't be bothered with, but if it was bad for the rivals at all, it "made good business sense" to exclude them from access to those machines. That is "competition" in the business place by today's ethics.
The korg ms-10 and ms-20s are incredibly useful synths, as evidenced by the popularity it enjoyed as it was manufactured and by consistent use to this day.
So were add n to x "taking out the competition" with these otherwise apparently gormless acts ?)

And electronic groups smashing up synths is about as daring and radical as rock groups smashing up guitars, surely

do you think they're being anti-competetive, joni ? fetishes (your word) develop around worthy things too.

I don't know about this. Softsynths are not necessarily any grainier or dirtier than any other type of digital synth if you have a high-end sound card. Plus you can get a real synth for about the same price as a typical softsynth (such as Reaktor), if you're willing to buy a used lower-end model. Plus, some people who have lots of expensive real synths, still prefer softsynths because they can be more flexible and more powerful. Plus anything that requires having a computer on stage can't be very punk, can it?

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i dont know what this means, but i like it!

You sound like a really vandalistic little "punk" piece of shit with your attitude, joni. Bad Punk.

opps.....sorry sir, i'll try and be good!
*hides screwdriver behind back*

check out this softsynth, which obv is totally fukcing punk, & slays all prog rock dead, fux0rz.

also, everything is reversed here. how can soft synths be punk (cheap)? you need a decent computer to run them on, even if you do steal the software. computers can be thousands of dollars. i cant afford one; i am buying a regular synth. who ever heard of being prog by virtue of lack of money, especially since Wakeman's old setups could have been sold to buy a house or two?

Memorably for me, I made an enquiry about a cheap piece of gear on a producer site and one kid after another (I know their studios were spectacularly kitted outt because they were constantlyposting up lists of their gear) wrote posts to the effect that I would be an idiot if I bought such a crap piece of cheap gear. Now when someone gives me music advice, I check out their websites! I want to hear what they've done. The trouble with these kids was none of them has released a record!

Finally (and only because I asked him directly), a seasoned pro whose 12"'s can be found regularly in the sets of Jeff Mills among others told me 'I have three of those! I've used them since 1997. Yes, they are cheap, but you don't need expensive gear for techno'. That was a moment of truth for me.

So, my contribution to this thread, a variant on a thousand others, is: go into the studio and write some music with this gear you value so much.

It does not get any more punk rock.

Yeah, Chris and Cosey's Sonny & Cher haircuts, Christopherson's Peter Mandelson moustache...