― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― keith (keithmcl), Friday, 31 October 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)
If there's anything wrong with the Best Of, it's the fact that the two Tobin Sprout songs shouldn't be there. Bob was too kind to include them. "14 Cheerleader Coldfront" should have been replaced with "Weed King," and "To Remake The Young Flyer" should have been "Don't Stop Now" instead.
It's about time they made a best of, because compilations are the best way to get into GBV's music.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 31 October 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)
Really, the only Sprout GBV song that I really love is "Awful Bliss."
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)
Though "Awful Bliss" is great. Another contender.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)
but is there actually an audience for a best-of-gbv? i mean, is there a single person who still cares about gbv who doesn't own every album? and is there a single non-fan who's going to go "ooh, it's got 'teenage fbi'!'" and pick it up and buy it?
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 October 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)
Any GBV best of, even with 32 songs, is bound to leave off many favorites so if you're gonna say they should have included "Weedking" then why not "Do the Earth" or "Brides Have Hit Glass" or "Big Boring Wedding", etc...
Also, I agree with Ott that "Alien Lanes"is a much superior listen, but I see where you're coming from Matt that the Best Of makes a nice intro to all eras of GBV.
― Colin O, Friday, 31 October 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 October 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)
To clarify...OTM as in 14 Cheerleader Coldfront is the shit.But hey, they SHOULD have included Weedking.Hmmm...anyone got the tracklist, btw?
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)
1. A Salty Salute2. Things I Will Keep (courtesy of TVT Records)3. Everywhere With Helicopter4. I Am A Tree5. My Kind Of Soldier6. 14 Cheerleader Coldfront (courtesy of Scat Records)7. Twilight Campfighter (courtesy of TVT Records)8. Echos Myron (courtesy of Scat Records)9. Learning To Hunt10. Bulldog Skin11. Captain's Dead (courtesy of Scat Records)12. Tractor Rape Chain (courtesy of Scat Records)13. Game Of Pricks - SINGLE VERSION14. To Remake The Young Flyer15. Hit16. Glad Girls (courtesy of TVT Records)17. Drinker's Peace (courtesy of Scat Records)18. Surgical Focus (courtesy of TVT Records)19. Cut-Out Witch20. The Best Of Jill Hives21. Hot Freaks (courtesy of Scat Records)22. Shocker In Gloomtown (courtesy of Scat Records)23. Chasing Heather Crazy (courtesy of TVT Records)24. My Valuable Hunting Knife - ALBUM VERSION25. The Official Ironmen Rally Song26. Non-Absorbing (courtesy of Scat Records)27. Motor Away - SINGLE VERSION28. Teenage FBI - DEMO VERSION29. Watch Me Jumpstart30. Exit Flagger (courtesy of Scat Records)31. Back To The Lake32. I Am A Scientist - ALBUM VERSION (courtesy of Scat Records)
Yeah, any GBV best of is flawed because there's just too many great songs and only so much space.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)
however...
if they actually want to be accessible, why put the best song they have ever done at the END of a 32-track disc? why have their other absolutely killer pop moments at #8, #13, #16, #24, #27, etc? who actually listens to track 24, never mind track 32, on ANY disc?
this is a great souvenir for fans and their friends. and as far as the rest of the world is concerned, it will look just as overwhelming and in need of an editor as the rest of their catalog.
― fact checking cuz, Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)
But as a primer for GBV, this running order makes a lot of sense, because it is introducing the listener to the band's aesthetic just as much as its songs - it's really long, it has a few oddball tracks, one song which is under 30 seconds, a few songs which are extremely lo-fi, a few others which are very hi-fi, it scatters the most obvious songs around. It gives the listener an idea of what to expect of the other albums, you know?
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― enoughrope, Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz, Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz, Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)
(and "Dodging Invisible Rays" is def. my favorite Tobin song)
― Jeremy (Jeremy), Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)
But that's really only a small portion of their overall aesthetic. If you gave them those two albums, you'd only be giving them the collage-y, lo-fi GBV, and that's just a small piece of the big picture. You'd just be exposing the person to the two canonized records and omitting a lot of great pop songs which they may enjoy because you're embracing the most narrow and lazy idea of who they are and what Bob Pollard does.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 1 November 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 1 November 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Colin O, Saturday, 1 November 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)
au contraire, i'd say i'm just recognizing that they, like nearly every band ever, had a creative peak, and those two albums were it. if i were introducing someone to the who, i wouldn't give them a greatest hits album that included, say, "athena" and "another tricky day," and if i were introducing someone to gbv, i'd see no reason to play them anything from the mediocre indie rock records they've been producing for the last several years.
plus...i really don't think gbv's aesthetic has changed over the years. they've switched bandmembers and studios, but that's really about it. except for the fact that it's a lot worse, i don't hear any difference at all between "earthquake glue" and any of the "canonized" albums.
but then again, i think "non-absorbing" is far and away the best track on "vampire on titus," so what do i know?
― fact checking cuz, Sunday, 2 November 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 2 November 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 23 February 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 23 February 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 23 February 2004 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 23 February 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 23 February 2004 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 23 February 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andrew Ward (The Velvet Overlord), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)
have you all seen the new-ish GBV database www.gbvdb.com? if ever a band needed a DATABASE...
― thomas, Thursday, 29 April 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)
Was very confused as to why someone was selling this from the copy in their ipod. Took me a 15 good long seconds when I saw it down the GBV items list:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Best-Guided-Voices-Human-Amusements-Ho-/250696037470?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item3a5ea5f45e#ht_500wt_1154
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Thursday, 16 September 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)
good long 15*
I guess
The Best of Jill Hives is prob my fave GBV song, and it debuted here, I recall.
― Cunga, Thursday, 16 September 2010 05:38 (fifteen years ago)