Just got The Best of Guided By Voices in the mail

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It's cowering in the tall shadow of Alien Lanes as we speak.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 31 October 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

it's 24 degrees here

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 31 October 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh please. All of the best songs from Alien Lanes are on the best of (except for "As We Go Up, We Go Down"), and all the weaker stuff is removed and replaced with some of the finest material from the other records. You're out of your mind, Ott. I know the lazy urge is to dismiss the non-canonized material, but really, man, fight the urge.

If there's anything wrong with the Best Of, it's the fact that the two Tobin Sprout songs shouldn't be there. Bob was too kind to include them. "14 Cheerleader Coldfront" should have been replaced with "Weed King," and "To Remake The Young Flyer" should have been "Don't Stop Now" instead.

It's about time they made a best of, because compilations are the best way to get into GBV's music.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm bugged by the fact that Bob decided to use "14 Cheerleader Coldfront" and "To Remake The Young Flyer" to represent Tobin Sprout's work. "Little Whirl," "Ester's Day" and "It's Like Soul Man" make LOADS more sense.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 31 October 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, "To Remake The Young Flyer" really is one of his best GBV songs, but I still am not convinced that it was at all necessary to include any of his songs on the compilation.

Really, the only Sprout GBV song that I really love is "Awful Bliss."

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I totally gotta disagree re: "Young Flyer." That thing just sounds like some Grifters-piddle. I like catchy dance beats.

Though "Awful Bliss" is great. Another contender.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"14 cheerleader coldfront" is one of the best songs gbv has ever done. (and, yeah, "little whirl" is pretty great too).

but is there actually an audience for a best-of-gbv? i mean, is there a single person who still cares about gbv who doesn't own every album? and is there a single non-fan who's going to go "ooh, it's got 'teenage fbi'!'" and pick it up and buy it?

fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 October 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Matthew and fact checking cuz are, what I should say...OTM!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The point of the Best Of is to make a record for the people who aren't interested in buying every record and just want the 'best' songs. Part of the problem with getting new people into the band is that the catalog is overwhelming and there's no good record to start with. Now that this is out, it's The Record To Start With. It's for all of the people who have heard about this wondeful band but only want to dip their toes in the shallow end of the pool and spend only $10.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Building on that, I've converted about 15 people to GBV over the past year or two by making GBV best-of compilations - I'm totally convinced that there are thousands of people out there who would love this band if they only got a chance to hear a concentrated dosage of their best pop songs. I've turned a good number of people into raving Pollard fanatics, and I think there's still soooooooo many more people out there to join the cult. I really, really, really don't think that everyone who could love GBV knows about them, or is familiar with the best of their work. This Best Of is a one small step towards making the band more accessable, and that's great. If you buy this cd, you'll be familiar with at least one third of the setlist of any given GBV concert. That's a major bonus too.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Gleemer is Sprout's best song but I can't argue with them other ones either cuz they all good.

Any GBV best of, even with 32 songs, is bound to leave off many favorites so if you're gonna say they should have included "Weedking" then why not "Do the Earth" or "Brides Have Hit Glass" or "Big Boring Wedding", etc...

Also, I agree with Ott that "Alien Lanes"is a much superior listen, but I see where you're coming from Matt that the Best Of makes a nice intro to all eras of GBV.

Colin O, Friday, 31 October 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

as a lapsed fan, the gbv best-of i *would* like to hear would be a single-disc compilation of the cream of everything by gbv, pollard, airport 5,go back snowball, circus devils, etc., etc., from 1997 to the present day, as selected by an objective curator who had no relation to pollard.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 31 October 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

...and fact checking cuz are, what I should say...OTM!
-- Francis Watlington (peppermintsmok...), October 31st, 2003

To clarify...OTM as in 14 Cheerleader Coldfront is the shit.
But hey, they SHOULD have included Weedking.
Hmmm...anyone got the tracklist, btw?

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the commercial version - the version in the Hardcore UFOs has the same songs, but in chronological order instead.

1. A Salty Salute
2. Things I Will Keep (courtesy of TVT Records)
3. Everywhere With Helicopter
4. I Am A Tree
5. My Kind Of Soldier
6. 14 Cheerleader Coldfront (courtesy of Scat Records)
7. Twilight Campfighter (courtesy of TVT Records)
8. Echos Myron (courtesy of Scat Records)
9. Learning To Hunt
10. Bulldog Skin
11. Captain's Dead (courtesy of Scat Records)
12. Tractor Rape Chain (courtesy of Scat Records)
13. Game Of Pricks - SINGLE VERSION
14. To Remake The Young Flyer
15. Hit
16. Glad Girls (courtesy of TVT Records)
17. Drinker's Peace (courtesy of Scat Records)
18. Surgical Focus (courtesy of TVT Records)
19. Cut-Out Witch
20. The Best Of Jill Hives
21. Hot Freaks (courtesy of Scat Records)
22. Shocker In Gloomtown (courtesy of Scat Records)
23. Chasing Heather Crazy (courtesy of TVT Records)
24. My Valuable Hunting Knife - ALBUM VERSION
25. The Official Ironmen Rally Song
26. Non-Absorbing (courtesy of Scat Records)
27. Motor Away - SINGLE VERSION
28. Teenage FBI - DEMO VERSION
29. Watch Me Jumpstart
30. Exit Flagger (courtesy of Scat Records)
31. Back To The Lake
32. I Am A Scientist - ALBUM VERSION (courtesy of Scat Records)

Yeah, any GBV best of is flawed because there's just too many great songs and only so much space.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

holy shit! I forgot about "Gleemer"! Yeah, that should TOTALLY be on it. Easily the best song on Vampire.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 31 October 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: "Brides Have Hit Glass" - I think that this song should have made the cut instead of "Twilight Campfighter," but the inclusion of the latter song made me recently go back and listen to it again, and now I've come to really love that song, so maybe a few of the oddball inclusions are there because Pollard wants people to give a few songs another chance.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i could quibble with that tracklisting, as any fan could, but based on that alone i'd say this is a nifty pop record.

however...

if they actually want to be accessible, why put the best song they have ever done at the END of a 32-track disc? why have their other absolutely killer pop moments at #8, #13, #16, #24, #27, etc? who actually listens to track 24, never mind track 32, on ANY disc?

this is a great souvenir for fans and their friends. and as far as the rest of the world is concerned, it will look just as overwhelming and in need of an editor as the rest of their catalog.

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I know what you mean about the placement of the Big Hits are weird points in the tracklisting - Pollard is pretty obsessed with flow and song order (which may seem surprising to some and not so much to others), and I think he just wanted to make it sound like an album, at least to his ears. I've been putting "I Am A Scientist" as a final track on some of the mixes I've made for people, so I can understand - it's just a nice song to go out on. I think Bob is just the kind of guy who likes to put the best songs toward the end, and this tracklisting is pretty good evidence of that.

But as a primer for GBV, this running order makes a lot of sense, because it is introducing the listener to the band's aesthetic just as much as its songs - it's really long, it has a few oddball tracks, one song which is under 30 seconds, a few songs which are extremely lo-fi, a few others which are very hi-fi, it scatters the most obvious songs around. It gives the listener an idea of what to expect of the other albums, you know?

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Good to see the best tracks off Do the Collapse on there!! esp. Surgical Focus

enoughrope, Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

but if i wanted to introduce someone to the gbv aesthetic, i'd just hand 'em a copy of bee thousand or alien lanes. if i was trying to win over newbies by blowing them away with the hits, then i'd blow 'em away with the hits on tracks 1-5, just like on a raspberries or badfinger best-of.

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Things I expected but did not find: Tigerbomb version of "My Valuable Hunting Knife", "Queen of Cans and Jars", "King and Caroline", "Dying to Try This", "Quality of Armor".

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

the best tobin sprout song is "dodging invisible rays" there really is no other answer.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah (ok I might pick "Little Whirl" or "Gleemer" over it), but that's on the b-sides CD of the new GBV box set so it makes sense its not on here.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

calstars OTM about everything except the great power-pop ditty "little whirl."

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

No "Over the Neptune/Mesh Gear Fox"!!

(and "Dodging Invisible Rays" is def. my favorite Tobin song)

Jeremy (Jeremy), Saturday, 1 November 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

but if i wanted to introduce someone to the gbv aesthetic, i'd just hand 'em a copy of bee thousand or alien lanes.

But that's really only a small portion of their overall aesthetic. If you gave them those two albums, you'd only be giving them the collage-y, lo-fi GBV, and that's just a small piece of the big picture. You'd just be exposing the person to the two canonized records and omitting a lot of great pop songs which they may enjoy because you're embracing the most narrow and lazy idea of who they are and what Bob Pollard does.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 1 November 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM, please welcome Matthew Perpetua.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 1 November 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe they put "Non-Absorbing" on it! that's such a shit track compared to the rest of "Vampire on Titus."

Colin O, Saturday, 1 November 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

If you gave them those two albums, you'd only be giving them the collage-y, lo-fi GBV, and ... you're embracing the most narrow and lazy idea of who they are and what Bob Pollard does.

au contraire, i'd say i'm just recognizing that they, like nearly every band ever, had a creative peak, and those two albums were it. if i were introducing someone to the who, i wouldn't give them a greatest hits album that included, say, "athena" and "another tricky day," and if i were introducing someone to gbv, i'd see no reason to play them anything from the mediocre indie rock records they've been producing for the last several years.

plus...i really don't think gbv's aesthetic has changed over the years. they've switched bandmembers and studios, but that's really about it. except for the fact that it's a lot worse, i don't hear any difference at all between "earthquake glue" and any of the "canonized" albums.

but then again, i think "non-absorbing" is far and away the best track on "vampire on titus," so what do i know?

fact checking cuz, Sunday, 2 November 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I can see where you're coming from, Cuz, but I still have to emphasize that the beauty of Pollard's project isn't so much individual LPs but rather the accumulation of great pop songs over the long term - you're just not going to fully appreciate him (or, arguably, understand him) if you're sticking to single LPs.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 2 November 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
Matthew is right, I would play this cd to turn on a friend to GBV because it has a mix of lo-fi and especially later stuff which would be more ear friendly to an unconverted fan. Btw I like a lot of their later stuff too anyways.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 23 February 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

who is this "calstars" person who i myself, about two-thirds of the way down the list, credit with being "OTM about everything," but who doesn't seem to actually exist anywhere in this thread? was i tripping then or is it that i'm tripping now? help!

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 23 February 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

he was probably inadvertently deleted on suspicion (incorrectly as it happens) of being c-man.

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 23 February 2004 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

ahh, thanks.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 23 February 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I never cared for GBV until I got the Greatest Hits. The albums I'd heard had too much filler.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 23 February 2004 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think there's ever been a greatest hits that did more to make a band look great than this one did for GBV...really gets what would good about them.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 23 February 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
Where the hell is Jane of the Waking Universe and Skills Like This?

Andrew Ward (The Velvet Overlord), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

on their respective album releases

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

as an alternative greatest hits try the 'Demons & Painkillers' disc, from the Hardcore UFOs boxset, it's mainly singles and rarities tracks from the early Matador years but a very tasty collection indeed...

have you all seen the new-ish GBV database www.gbvdb.com? if ever a band needed a DATABASE...

thomas, Thursday, 29 April 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

Was very confused as to why someone was selling this from the copy in their ipod. Took me a 15 good long seconds when I saw it down the GBV items list:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Best-Guided-Voices-Human-Amusements-Ho-/250696037470?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item3a5ea5f45e#ht_500wt_1154

I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Thursday, 16 September 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)

good long 15*

I guess

I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Thursday, 16 September 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)

The Best of Jill Hives is prob my fave GBV song, and it debuted here, I recall.

Cunga, Thursday, 16 September 2010 05:38 (fifteen years ago)


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