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How can I get my hands on the original version in unmixed format (preferably on cd)? Also, does anyone know how many remixes of this song there are? Your help would be much appriciated. Damn, this song is good.

― Sengai, Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

take me higher!

― jed (jed_e_3), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i think 'history of our world part 1' has the original unremixed version

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Geeta- do you know if that album is a mix album? I've had no trouble finding the original, but every album it's on has it as part of a mix.

― Sengai, Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

the most well known version of "Renegade Snares" is probably the first Foul Play remix (Moving Shadow SHADOW36R 10"). the actual rarely-played original version is on the 4-track Renegade Snares EP (Moving Shadow SHADOW36 12").

I'm not sure if there was a CD-single for the track. seems likely, since there WAS one (containing most if not all of the mixes) for the earlier Foul Play - "Open Your Mind" (SHADOW29 etc).

the Foul Play re-remix (quite similar) is of course available on Omni Trio's debut album Vol.1 aka Music For The Next Millennium.

― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Concert/9201/moving.htm

― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

geeta called this song "cheesy" as a pejorative. this is why we are not friends anymore.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

all four mixes are easy to find on slsk.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 1 November 2003 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i was TRYING to say something that would piss you off!!

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 1 November 2003 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Rereleased this year so it should be easy to find.

― Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 1 November 2003 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, but it is SO BAD. also, no original mix.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 1 November 2003 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought the High Contrast mix was alright although the 'back to the jungle' sample was a bit silly

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 1 November 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

_History Of Our World_ is a mix CD but it's a damn good one. I think "Renegade Snares" has been remixed so many times that it's easy to forget that the original was unbelievably fantastic (see also SL2's "DJs Take Control" and Blame's "Music Takes You", not so much for number of remixes as much remixes overshadowing frightening grandness of the original).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 1 November 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

apart from the one this year there were originally five mixes of 'renegade snares', all superb

the 4 track EP paul mentioned has two: the Rolling Mix and the original mix

foul play did their first remix

then they did the Foul Play VIP remix on the Omni debut LP

and the debut Lp also has 'Renegade Snares (Rob's Reconstruction Mix) -- ie haigh's own remix, much closer to the original mixes than FP's

the mix on history of our world back and forth btwn 'snares' and cloud 9 'you've got me burnin' might be my favorite mix ever

the original vol 3 EP is a bit of a find cos the other two tracks 'Future' and 'Be There' are really good

you could make an entire album totally diff to The Deepest Cut/Music for the New Millenium out of the EP traxs on vol 2, vol 3, vol 4 and vol 5...

here's an idea--juggling all five mixes of renegade snares at a certain person's birthday party...

― simon r, Saturday, 1 November 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

haha the cheese might make her explode

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i said the keyboard riff was cheesy! it's excusable tho, it was the 90s. jesus christ jess -- see if i invite YOU to my party

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

too late, you already did!!

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

";-)"

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"take me uuuup...!"

― Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 2 November 2003 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I always loved "Thru The Vibe" ever so slightly more (that drum section!) but this is still one of my all-time favourite things.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 2 November 2003 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Is the jump from "Renegade Snares" to _Haunted Science_ one of the steepest declines in quality ever to exist in musical history?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

don't forget "Nu Birth Of Cool" about which someone once said murderous panache...

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 3 November 2003 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

We've got three mixes here at work, Rob's Reconstruction Mix, Foul Play Mix and High Contrast Mix, we just played them all. Will now need to seek out the original. Our Network Admin (who's a goth and whose tastes are defined solely by Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson (so why are Network Administrator's all alike?)) had to grin and bear it.

Joy!

― mentalist (mentalist), Monday, 3 November 2003 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i am writing a review of the omni best of right now and i literally almost felt like crying at how fucking BORING it gets after only track 3. the last 8 tracks are fine and all if you like kruder and dorfmeister shit (and i do), but the idea that the same man made them is just soul-deadening.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 November 2003 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I was in a bar/club about a year ago and someone played a 'braks' sort of version of RS. I'm not sure if it was a remix or just a different track that sampled the t-t-t-t-t-ake me up! bits. Needless to say, it wasn't v good, mostly because you hear the sample and want to and your body is ready to feel drum rush but all you get is an annoying mid tempo breakbeat track! A good example of how your body is waiting for those familiar sounds so it can react, even without drugs!

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Monday, 3 November 2003 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

more love for the Nookie mix of 'Soul Promenade'

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 November 2003 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

the foul play vip mix of this is one of the purest pieces of music ever, tho by now I think I'd side with "mystic stepper" coz it abducts me like aliens.

― etc, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, sorry, I wuv woo "RS" but "Mystic Stepper" fucking OWNZ. The "Feel Better" mix (I think) is the one, just EPIC, the cannonading rolls and backward slurping noises and the long-dark-tunnel bridge plus the keyboard and vocal hook are ominous but soothing too. it is SO GREAT.

History of Our World Part 1 might well be my favorite album of all time; top five at least.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

definitely my favorite or 2nd favorite of the '90s (as I keep mentioning over and over yes I know zzzz)

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a fact that bears repeating as it is shamefully out of print etc etc

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

file trading and home-burning is our friend

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just sad that i can go into my local and find five db mix cd's of shitty neo-techstep or whatever and no history blah blah

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

haha I was listening to the two History Of Our Worlds & Speed Limit 140bpm+ Volume 3 : The Joint (yeah, it's the "Feel Better" mix that's on that) (& thanx gemm.com for hooking me up with all of them) in bed, in the dark, while drinking all this free beer, & was pretty overwhelmed.

did anyone here get to dance to this stuff back-in-the-day?

― etc, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

only a few raves i went to back in the day played breakbeat stuff and early jungle. most were playing just "techno" (which could have been anything from tech-house to harder acid/trance to techno). (also i was high most of the time.)

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

p.s. this was america

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

_The Joint_ seriously changed my entire life. The opening salvo alone is clearly one of the greatest pieces of music ever committed to wax.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan OTM as always re: this topic. I danced to a LOT of early breakbeat and then jungle c. 92-95 at raves in Minneapolis and environs so yay me!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i got a hold of a copy of bpm 140 v3 about a year ago... i don't know what to say other than to agree w everyone above; part of it being so amazing is really feeling like i had missed something magical, far more than listening to old punk or old anything really.

― g--ff, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear etc,

Adelaide, South Australia, had a small but intense D&B scene since 'darkcore' was brought to our shores by this Brit DJ calling himself "the system AD" in mid-93. At that time the quality and quantity of distribution to our colonial backwater was awesome and standard fare for raves featured the full raft of Moving Shadow, Formation, Reinforced, and heaps of other clandestine labels whose product only ever arrived in shoddy paper inner-sleeves featuring bare-bones backyard design.

Salad days.

Sadly, those same custodians of breakbeat madness in Adelaide didn't seem to recognise any drop in vibe or quality once 1996 had arrived and the whole thing seemed to evaporate over a few short months.

What I have learned is that the IDEAS behind your nominated golden era(s) never actually die. It's only their execution that erodes, as it always will, over time.

We'll always want to have the time of our lives.
Onward and upward.

― Stephen Stockwell, Thursday, 6 November 2003 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

is history a US release? i'd never heard of it til matos and jess mentioned it several thousand times. who mixed it?

― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 6 November 2003 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

dj db. he started nasa in nyc which was one of the first clubs to bring the breakbeat stuff over to america. it's a co-release between smile and a major, i think.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 6 November 2003 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's also one of the greatest CDs ever.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

But that' has been said ad nauseum.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Shadow SHADOW166R-12I has the foul play remix most of you are familar with along with the wicked 2003 Aquasky breaks re-lick (which your resident yahoo apparently called "annoying" above) - in any event this 12" is a recent release and should still be available.

― P. Allen, Thursday, 6 November 2003 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

orright so the vocal sample "take me up" (how appropriate) - curious as to where that's sampled from ...

― mentalist (mentalist), Thursday, 6 November 2003 06:04 (twenty-one years ago)

On the subject of the ubiquitous Renegade Snares, I never thought the mixes I heard were that exceptional upon their release. My ILM housemate has since led my opinion to rise on them, but the difinitive Moving Shadow cut for me has always been Tango's 10" remix of Hyper-On Experience's "Disturbance". I think it's Shadow 49R or 50R.

How do you folks compare the two?

More importantly - for a label as prolific and consistent as Shadow, how does Snares seem to earn 'critical' consensus as the 'definitive' moment of drum & bass? Along what criteria do you measure it?

Tell me why RS hasn't become just another over-inflated trainspotter's relic when there is SO MUCH other euphorically devastating drum & bass from the same era...

― Stephen Stockwell, Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a good question. I think partly because Simon loves it so much (and therefore influences others to as well), partly because it's so stark in a lot of ways--if it's not the point where d&b became all about drums w/minimal coloring it's certainly one of them. so it has some historical value there, which helps its status. I've never thought it first-among-equals in the early D&B category--I'm on record as preferring Acen's "Trip II the Moon" and "Close Your Eyes," the House Crew's "Euphoria (Nino's Dream)," and Omni Trio's "Renegade Snares" among others--but it's certainly great enough that I don't question others' belief in its stature too much.

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, that's Omni Trio's "Mystic Stepper (Feel Better)"

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, "Stronger" and "Step Off" both totally kill "Mystic Stepper".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

also, History is on Profile U.S., from 1994. I bought it in '95 at the Sam Goody in the Mall of America, which I lived across the street from, literally. (my mom and sisters still live there.) put it on, taped it, had head blown clean off. still play it all the time, 8 years later. that was a GREAT summer.

NOTHING kills "Mystic Stepper"

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

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>Speed Limit 140bpm+ Volume 3

this record, especially the first 4-5 tracks, had a serious impact on me in 1993. and it holds up, it's still extreme. I didn't like the first two volumes as much. do any of the other ones get as crazy as volume 3?

― (Jon L), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

none of them are as good as 3, though I like 1 a lot. the rest (there's 8 in the series + a "new era" unnumbered volume) are pretty good. starting w/7 they go full-on happy hardcore, though.

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

3 is the Joint, yeah? ie a sub base/mov shad comp. do the others mirror uk releases too, or are they handpicked comps for the US?

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I ripped 'the joint' onto my iTunes work account last week. Playing it right now probably a little too loud.

I liked the first one too. And the second one also has moments. The liftoff in 'the joint' though, that was an announcement.

thanks matos, will check out 7.

― (Jon L), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The Foul Play mix of "Mystic Steppa" (the one with "Feel Better" in brackets rather than "Feel Good") on The Joint is astonishing whereas the original was only very good.

I think Matos touches on why "Renegade Snares" is seen as so pivotal -it's the combination of the minimal groove-structure focused around intense rhythmic programming with the mushy emotionalism - the point of refraction where stripping down suddenly inverts into something huge and expansive, less-is-more... Hardcore going into jungle via darkcore entailed a necessary stripping down and zooming in on the core groove components (drums, bass, big riffs etc.) - "Renegade Snares" and its compatriots (Foul Play's "Open Your Mind" etc.) was the point of realisation and articulation that that process had *changed* the nature of the underlying groove so much that a whole new vista of possibilities had opened up, with a chance to re-embrace melodics and song-structures while firm in the knowledge that this was not a step back but a step forward.

I've been thinking of this process - which occurs quite often in groove-based genres, as sort of like sending a beam of light through a single point from which it refracts into a rainbow. See also the way dancehall narrowed down into digital minimalism circa '99, a move which allowed it to embrace an absurd maximalism now. Or the way Kompakt's pop-promiscuity emerged from the monochrome minimalism of Studio One.

Most especially, see the way 2-step narrowed itself down to the simple groove-spasm of Musical Mob's "Pulse X" - the point where it transformed into grime. What seemed like a dead-end was in fact a point-of-refraction, the shift in rhythmic and musical values making possible a fresh reinvestigation of the sort of melodic detail it had previously stripped away. This is why I talk about Wiley/Roll Deep's "Foulplayification".

The sad fate of drum & bass circa 97 is that what seemed like a potential point-of-refraction was in fact a *genuine* black hole, or at the very least a very clever mouse-trap.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Speed Limits 2 & 4 are GREAT! (1 is totally hardcore and 5 starts to suffer from D&B's decline but still has many great/good moments--although most are well documented elsewhere, i.e. "Terrorist", "Helicopter", "RRRRRoll the Beats", etc. . .) 3 is the best though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Speed Limit 1, 2 and 3 are all pretty essential in my book; 1 has the Yolk and Kaotic Chemistry tracks while 2 has Cloud 9's "You Got Me Burnin'", DMS's "SOS", and Hyper-On's "Imajika".

5 Definitely has its moments. Really, 6 is the only one that does nothing for me.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"[T]otally hardcore" is meant to mean fantastic, but not at all jungle (and not as any sort of insult.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

It'd been a few years since I checked out 3. I can't turn it down, and I'm at work, and I really need to turn it down, immediately, but can't quite seem to do it.

― (Jon L), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

haha now i want to listen to it too!

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

is "the joint" the same as the 2-disc "history of hardcore" thing i have from shadow/subbase?

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I think The Joint is the English version of Speed Limit Vol 3.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Jess it's only one disc, split between Moving Shadow and Suburban Base usually in alternating tracks - it's also got the original "Open Your Mind", 2 Bad Mice's "Underworld", the 2 Bad Mice remix of Blame's "Music Takes You", Krome & Time's "The Slammer" etc. etc.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Sonz of a Loop Da Loop's "Breaks The Unbreakable", Austin's "Unity In Dub", Mix Race's "Outta Hand", etc etc etc

Also, I think the Blame track is "A21" or something like that, not "Music Takes You".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Here it is.

Is this unmixed?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i really do prefer the ragga stuff these days. maybe i'm just burnt out.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

HOLY DIFFERENT TRACK ORDERING, BATMAN!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

America is so backwards.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I was so outrageously lucky when I got into hardcore/drum & bass (four or five years ago) - The Joint and Grooverider's Hardstep Selection II were the second and third albums I bought, and they were just some comps I found that were second-hand and cheap, and I didn't know anything about the tracks or artists on them, but I bought them on a whim. They're still the best two things I ever bought in that whole area, and I've never seen them in shops ever again!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Matos' earlier point reminds me of the very real difference between historical trajectories and the realities of the dancefloor when it comes to discussing music.

Convergence of styles and influences, transition periods and the like, will point to pivotal tracks and musicians. It's easy to understand Simon's theoretical attachment of Renegade Snares in that context.

But I suppose my devotion is to the speakers.
Either the tune rocks, or it don't.

PS - Tim, I subscribe to your idea of expansionism via minimalism. Adelaide's DJ HMC is the doyen of that kind of thing via house/techno principles. I live in Melbourne - what are you doing this weekend?

― Stephen Stockwell, Friday, 7 November 2003 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I really wish there were better reissue programs for these sorts of things (especially for Suburban Base, I've never seen Drum and Bass Selection 1 and 2 for any price and there are other neat oddities--like that M Cain record, for example--that are near impossible to get). The Remarc thing gives me hope, I guess. Someone should reissue The Dark Side I and II and the first two D&B Selections NEXT!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Either the tune rocks, or it don't. you don't think RS rocks Stephen?
I'm not sure Simon's affection for to RS is purely theoretical (although it may be simply nostalgic by now)

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

dj ss overlooked as usual

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno, i listened to, er, what was that big tune (united?) with the backward vcl recently...and remembered i never really liked it too much.

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yea, thats united. i like that tune!

actually on a thread about RS i guess ss/formation isnt really so relevant. but helicopter tune is movingshadows best contribution to jungle (not counting all the great rave stuff)

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

wait: helicopter isn't ss...is it?

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

DREAD BASS!

what di time you of de dread
eer what wanna come man froon de kaana

em,,, or whatever.

― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

no helicopter isnt ss, i worded that confusingly, sorry!

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i just checked and found this
anyone heard it?

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Helicopter Tune is by Code Blue, who was the guy from 2 Bad Mice who *wasn't* Rob Playford (famous for collaborating with Goldie on Timeless).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

deep blue. and that would be sean o'keef. < /pedantry>

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

its soooo ripe for trainspotting isn't it? all the pseudonyms.

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i could have learned a proper trade by now.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 November 2003 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah that's right.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 7 November 2003 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I must point out that in my humble opinion, the original "Open Your Mind"--the one on Speed Limit 3/The Joint--is WAY better than the remix that Simon loves so much. (Maybe not WAY better, but I prefer it, though yeah I love the rmx too.)

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 7 November 2003 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

gaz, that 'australia' tune is pretty dire, as is most formation these days, intro/bassline/same bassline/same fuckin bassline. but charlton is sooo right, formation used to be THE label to mash up the dance. 94-96 was their best era, the cloying e-motionalism similar to that RS piano line, mixed with strafes of diva vox and then about three heavy b-lines per tune - just so designed for ravin to, breaks dem galore. there's a new formation comp out, four cds compiling their 100 releases so far. it's only on the fourth cd that things turn a bit one-dimensional, but other than that it's gold. anyone heard it?

― nebbesh (nebbesh), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a new formation comp out, four cds compiling their 100 releases so far.

::::drool::::

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

omg omg omg

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm still kinda floored by this:

POO: 1993

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.formationrecords.com/

click on The News and scroll down. they've got mail order too.

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

haha on that '93 thread: POO: 1993

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah strongo, you kinda have to look away when they're all there in front of you, beckoning you into tha phucha! somewhere, time stopped in 1993, humans have grown more limbs and every day is a new day. i'd quite like to have a desk diary of rave platitudes. how can everyone front on strongo when all he wants is peace, love and unity.

x-post - UK peeps, it's about £12 in HMV.

― nebbesh (nebbesh), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I must point out that in my humble opinion, the original "Open Your Mind"--the one on Speed Limit 3/The Joint--is WAY better than the remix that Simon loves so much.

TRUTH

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I found the original version, unmixed! Go to the Drum and Bass Arena website, and click on the heading "Listen". Use their search engine to look up the foul play mix of renegades snares (they got the two mixed up) and enjoy. The complete version, where it all started. Now if I could only put it onto a cd, I could ride around town with the windows down screaming "Take me UP!" at passerby.
Also, moving shadow has the original on vinyl, included with the High Contrast remix.

― Sengai, Friday, 7 November 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

twelve quid! if only i had twelve quid.

i heard history for the first time last night...o my god, as they say. and on a djss tip i'm gonna pull out that 94 djs delite set when i get home.

― gazaway, Friday, 7 November 2003 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

could someone post a tracklisting (or link) for that formation comp?

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Agreed, Charlton.

DJ SS was unstoppable for a good 2 years there between the arrival of the 'Breakbeat Pressure' EPs thru to the 'Roller's Convention'. Then the inevitable rot set in and he turned to rubber pretty quickly.

It would be superfluous to list his best moments track by track, but they definitely centre around BB Pressure, Rhythmn For Reasons, International Rudeboyz, and DJ Anthems.

It got boring somewhere between Formation 50 & 60.
Roller's signalled the end of the party.

― Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Saturday, 8 November 2003 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i found speed limit 2 today for .98 at kims. FOOLS.

i also lovingly fingered that formation comp for several minutes in tower before wussing out (or coming to my senses) and putting it back.

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 8 November 2003 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

so i couldn't find the djss mix (damn my messiness) and put on a mix called counterforce on internal records which is more on the pretty/inteligent (ugh) end of things but its still only 1995 and jeesus sometimes i think this is the greatest music ever made...

― gaz (gaz), Saturday, 8 November 2003 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

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