The Pet Shop Boys - Bilingual

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Cleaning house today, I ran across a box of cassettes wherein lay my copy of Bilingual, and I threw it into the tape deck. Now here I am at the end of side one, struck by how well it's aged; it seems an incredibly emotional album to me. Anybody else share my love of this album/have any thought about its contents?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 2 November 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Ever since their debut people've talked about the Pet Shop Boys in terms of "mature" pop, which really puts me off. But here it seems applicable: the central quality is this sort of wistful air that threads through all the songs, even the most upbeat numbers - such sad dance tunes!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 2 November 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the first of their albums that I just don't know as well as I should or ought, and that bugs me. I still need to get the reissue, actually.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 November 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I think maybe both Very and Nightlife sound like they're trying (and absolutely succeeding, for most part) to be Down With Tha Kids, whereas Bilingual is more about resignation and acceptance of aging and loss and things; I agree completely that "mature" is hugely applicable word here, it's the sound of someone reaching a certain age and making a conscious effort to conduct themself in a way that they feel is more befitting, and in this sense it's perhaps the point at which the Pet Shop Boys actively sought to Grow Up and therefore significant turning point in their history.

Most of it sounds far more relaxed and naturalistic and unselfconscious than anything else they did in the 1990s (which is not to say that it's better or worse than the rest of it, just noticeably different). In the little booklet that came with the special edition from couple of years ago, Neil rhapsodises about the aceness of following To Step Aside with Saturday Night Forever, thereby ping-ponging wildly from Big Lifestyle Questioning track to Resuming AceExcellent Semi-Mindless Hedonism one, and it all makes perfect sense and is possibly more brilliant for it. Certainly I think it tends to be viewed as the big creative dip of their career and possibly the start of their lean period but it's a a quietly genius and fantastic album and definitely one of their most fascinating ones.

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Sunday, 2 November 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Bilingual is good but Behaviour is better.

jed (jed_e_3), Sunday, 2 November 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a Pet Shop Boys album. Therefore, it rules.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 2 November 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Behaviour is probably better too but Bilingual has very endearing black-sheep status.

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Sunday, 2 November 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

There's no comparing Behaviour and Bilingual--why bother? Any thoughts, though, on the PSB's mid-career fascination with Spain vs. Morrissey's mid-career fascination with Mexico?

antexit (antexit), Sunday, 2 November 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

why bother indeed - its just a preference and is uppose the fact that they are by the same band means they kinda lend themselves to comparison.

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 3 November 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I love this album. Love it.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 November 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

not to be flip or anything, but I would say Spain and Mexico are about as comparable as England and America

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 3 November 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Am listening to it now, forgot how how much I love "Se A Vide E" and "Red Letter Day"! Thanks, J0hn!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 November 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

That Deep Dish remix of "Se A Vida E" is one of the greatest things ever.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 November 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh god am I enjoying this. How fucking great is

Years perfecting a stance
Of measured cool fade into insignificance
The moment one starts to understand
What on earth does it profit a man?

One notices when you see them written that Neil Tennant's lyrics are some of the very few in pop music that actually scan.

antexit (antexit), Monday, 3 November 2003 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I had a similar experience recently when I put it on and was struck by how good it is. Nearly every song was better than I remembered it, except for "Metamorphosis" which still sounds a bit awkward to me. It's a very unique PSB album in that it hits the downer mood of Behaviour but the songs are mostly upbeat (though I still haven't heard Release).

On the other hand, I put on Nightlife recently and it was just as bad as I remember it.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Monday, 3 November 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

On the other hand, I put on Nightlife recently and it was just as bad as I remember it.

Mentalist!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 November 2003 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

If hating "In Denial", "Boy Strange", "Happiness is an Option", and "The Only One" makes me a mentalist, etc.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Monday, 3 November 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"not to be flip or anything, but I would say Spain and Mexico are about as comparable as England and America."

That's a funny thing to say, John, since people are constantly comparing England and America.

antexit (antexit), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Electricity, Discoteca, To Step Aside, Before... all fucking fab. Best band in the world ever.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Monday, 3 November 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Glad to finally see this album get some love. I remember when it came out, the fans on the discussion groups were mostly disapointed but I loved it. It also stangely seemed to fit with a period of my life where everything was Spanish. I was taking Spanish lessons at the time, my best friend was coming back from a 2 month trip to Spain, and then I met a gorgeous Spanish guy who became my boyfriend for 5 years...
Also this era had great b-sides: Hit and Miss, The Truckdriver And His Mate, The Boy Who Couldn't Keep His Clothes On, Delusions of Grandeur, the PSB remix of Discoteca ,etc. What an amazing band.

Seb, Monday, 3 November 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The best thing they have ever done in 90's. Better than sleepery Behaviour and over-the-top Very Just listen to the gorgeous "to step aside" and "Discoteca" when you are beyond 30 years old, and hold back your tears

Haris Baki, Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Of their 90s output, I have yet to hear something that tops "Yesterday When I Was Mad".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 16 November 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"Bilingual" was PSB's worst 90s album. Way too dancey and not musically sophisticated enough. Thankfully they got rid of that stupid Latino style quickly.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 16 November 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir, I really want to tease you mercilessly but I'm not sure where to begin.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

eight years pass...

Top Comments

1. PSB  "Nightlife"

2. PSB "Bilingual"

3. Beatles "The White Album"

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Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:00 (thirteen years ago)

Nightlife >>>>>>>> Bilingual.

piscesx, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:09 (thirteen years ago)

yep!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 22:37 (thirteen years ago)

Nope!

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:10 (thirteen years ago)

Bilingual doesn't recover from its wobbly start, despite some of their best ever ("It Always Comes As a Surprise," "Before," "Se A Vida E," "Red Letter Day").

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:14 (thirteen years ago)

Bilingual was the first time the peerless PSBs lost me. But Nightlife got me back. Then Release lost me again. But I liked Fundamental and Yes.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:16 (thirteen years ago)

Josh is bang OTM with that last post, that could be me talking.

Nightlife does sound a bit dated thanks to all that pop-trance stuff on there but much of it's amazing still and kinda timeless. Very is the really dated sounding PSB album i find; too compressed and shiny and glossy and.. un-warm.

piscesx, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:35 (thirteen years ago)

the PSB released Nightlife at an important juncture in my life, and its best songs assuaged much of the pain. I mentioned the feebleness of Bilingual's opening volley. Well, how 'bout the wallop of "For Your Own Good," "Closer to Heaven," and "I Don't Know What You Want..."?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:56 (thirteen years ago)

yeah easily the best opening run aside from Introspective. oh and i guess Please but yeah it's fabulous. amazing closing track too and as for 'Vampires'.. man alive.

piscesx, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 23:59 (thirteen years ago)

It took turning thirty to understand the poignancy of "Footsteps."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2012 00:01 (thirteen years ago)

My favourite part of Bilingual is the way the first two tracks flow together seamlessly. On the whole though, I think the track sequencing on this album isn't the best it could have been. Some great songs on this.

Turrican, Thursday, 1 March 2012 00:03 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

I've been made to believe that the post-Very albums are trash but I'm on my fifth listen to this now and it's really quite incredible - "Electricity" is a hell of a dud but this is a really deep album, and "Se a vida e" has been looping in my head for weeks now

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:17 (eleven years ago)

"It Always Comes As a Surprise" and "Red Letter Day" are an amazing sequence; the album is just badly sequenced.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:21 (eleven years ago)

Nightlife and Fundamental are also great. Release and Yes definitely have their moments and, in retrospect, not every song on Elysium is wholly wretched (just most of them)

sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:25 (eleven years ago)

"Discoteca/Single" is a great one-two punch but having "Metamorphosis" and especially momentum-killer "Electricity" so early in the album was a mistake - there's better B-sides. The grower on the album for me was "To Step Aside", thanks to its being buried near the end of the album.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:33 (eleven years ago)

yeah "To Step Aside" is pretty massive, almost surreal in a way. I will rep for "Metamorphosis" as it's one of my favorites on the album but yeah "Electricity" should've been cut, this album is long as it is

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:38 (eleven years ago)

I've been made to believe that the post-Very albums are trash

That's crazy. Nightlife, Fundamental and Electric are all strong and even the weaker ones have some great songs.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:00 (eleven years ago)

Does Release have any great songs? I remember it as sounding totally depleted.

jmm, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:05 (eleven years ago)

I fucking love 'Up Against It'

Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:05 (eleven years ago)

"Home and Dry", "I Get Along", "The Samurai In Autumn"

sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:06 (eleven years ago)

I love 'Metamorphosis' lyrically, but I do agree it's a momentum-killer after the incredible opening tracks. 'Electricity' I could easily do without, I've never been a fan of it.

Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:07 (eleven years ago)

"You Choose" kills me.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:08 (eleven years ago)

That's crazy. Nightlife, Fundamental and Electric are all strong and even the weaker ones have some great songs.

― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL)

Yeah these are all great albums. Electric is by far by favourite but they're all pretty solid.

Release is their weakest album for me. Home and Dry and The Samurai In Autumn are the only real keepers on there. The Night I Fell in Love in Love is lyrically brilliant but sadly the music is really uninspired. Songs like E-mail and Birthday Boy are some of the of the most forgettable songs they've ever done.

Out of all their post Very albums Yes is the one I have the hardest time working out how much I actually like it. Love Etc, More Than a Dream and The Way it Used to be are up there with their best songs but just looking at the track listing I can't remember a single thing about a few of the tracks. I remember Beautiful People in particular is really poor. Oh and just like Fundamental they threw away one of the best songs on the bonus disc. This Used to be the Future with Phil Oakey, it's properly brilliant.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:25 (eleven years ago)

Release and Elysium are the only ones I haven't kept.

Seek: the b-side "Sexy Northerner."

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:26 (eleven years ago)

I've kept Release just to complete the set. I bought Elysium but it was such an effort, the first time ever buying one of their albums seemed like a chore. Pretty awesome that they could turn it around so much in less than a year that I was all giddy, counting down the days until their next album came out.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:32 (eleven years ago)

I love I Get Along - a Sinatra-quoting break-up song about Peter Mandelson and Tony Blair. "Stuck here with the shame and taking my share of the blame while making sudden plans that don't include you."

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:35 (eleven years ago)

I should've gone through and properly Storifyed my live tweet overload of all the albums back in September or so but yeah I was very well taken how most of the post-imperial phase thoroughly holds up. Yes/Elysium is the weakest patch but there are still some good songs there, but Electric so majestically stomps over them both.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:35 (eleven years ago)

I adore this record. A song or two aside, I think it proudly stands alongside their "classic" albums.

Davey D, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:38 (eleven years ago)

I'm okay with Nightlife, though I don't find it a very pleasant or happy album. It sounds tense, agitated, close to exhaustion. Release is the retreat from that.

jmm, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:57 (eleven years ago)

I'm okay with Nightlife, though I don't find it a very pleasant or happy album. It sounds tense, agitated, close to exhaustion.

this is why Nightlife is awesome IMO

sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:04 (eleven years ago)

Relentless FTW

3×5, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:08 (eleven years ago)

I hear Nightlife as the continuation of the story told in Please: the same couple, fifteen years together, bored, still hitting the same clubs but more brazen about picking up other guys and perhaps not telling each other about them the next evening.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:12 (eleven years ago)

listen to the years between "Two Divided by Zero" and "You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk."

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:12 (eleven years ago)

I've really come around to "Bilingual" since I resequenced it to Neil's prefered order.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:25 (eleven years ago)

Don't leave us (me) hanging, Josh! I've been googling for this fabled alternate order for 5 minutes to no avail.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:45 (eleven years ago)

Though tbf, I just sidetracked by this: http://psb-atdeadofnight.net/mezi_radky/btl_bilingual.php

Vinnie, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:46 (eleven years ago)

I believe it is:

1. Discoteca
2. Single
3. The Survivors
4. Se a Vida E
5. It Always Comes as a Surprise
6. Up Against It
7. Before
8. Metamorphosis
9. To Step Aside
10. Electricity
11. Saturday Night Forever
12. A Red Letter Day

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 20:17 (eleven years ago)

Thanks! Looks like an improvement to me. "A Red Letter Day" plays the "Go West" role in this track order.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 20:24 (eleven years ago)

"Saturday Night Forever" leaves me cold too.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 20:25 (eleven years ago)

I defended Bilingual on this thread in 2003 and I think I love it even more 10 years later.
I agree the sequencing could've been different and some B-Sides ("Hit and Miss", "The Truck Driver and His Mate") are better than a couple of songs that made it on the album ("Electricity", "Saturday Night Forever", although I still like them). But overall it is genius "mature" pop.
"Discoteca", "The Survivors", and "A Red Letter Day" often bring me to tears.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 22:29 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

"The Survivors" - damn, that song is massive

frogbs, Friday, 25 April 2014 13:31 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

What is with the way Tennant sings the word "heart" on 'It Always Comes As A Surprise'?

Anyway, even though the track order on this album is a bit fudged, this record has really blossomed for me recently - even 'Electricity', which I wasn't keen on for a long time. 'Metamorphosis' no longer feels to me like the momentum-killer that it used to be, and 'Saturday Night Forever' has really grown on me a lot. It seems to me that over time, this record is becoming more and more of a favourite of mine, and I guess this applies to Fundamental too.

I've accepted at this stage that bar one or two tracks, I've got the most out of Release and Elysium I've ever going to get, but Nightlife keeps stubbornly refusing to grow on me and I can't figure out why, especially since a lot of people here seem to rate it so highly.

Turrican, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 20:52 (ten years ago)

six years pass...

i was listening to it today and pretty much it sucks but i do enjoy the songs on the further listening!

xzanfar, Friday, 4 March 2022 21:26 (three years ago)

"The Truck Driver and His Mate"!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2022 21:30 (three years ago)

four months pass...

Just realised that "Delusions of Grandeur" of Further Listening/Format/Red Letter Day (non-)fame is in fact the best ever song that no-one really talks about.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 20 July 2022 12:18 (three years ago)


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