another list of new albums i can play all the way through without hardly getting sick to my stomach at all

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here was the previous thread, linked to previous previous, previous previous previous, and previous previous previous ones, etc., etc.:

more new jazz and pop albums i've enjoyed lately

and here's the new list (some of which may or may not be redundant):

a flock of seagulls best-of
alias
gary allan
askii disco
rodney atkins
bloody hollies
blues series continuum (*sorceror sessions* -- i forget if this is
the same one i listed last time)
buck 65 (my favorite record on this list, unless *stomp and swerve*
counts, and possbly even if it does)
coachwhips (*bangers vs. fuckers*, second '03 CD I've liked by them)
country teasers
death comet crew EP
desert fathers
dimmu borger EP (4-song advance to album; can't find the latter)
dung meister general d.m.g.
electralane EP
fireball ministry
the frost (best-of reissue)
hieroglyphics
kenneth higney reissue
gaby kerpel
lungfish
lycaon pictus (their second demo EP)
melotron
merzbow (*lkebana* remix CD)
metal urbain reissue
moonspell
willie nelson and merle haggard (*pancho and lefty* reissue)
nightwish
no. 9/hrvatski/bundy k. brown EP
noxagt EP
ntx + electric
oneida
on trial (*Head* all-covers LP; second good LP by them this year)
outkast (mainly for the big boi disc, as i've explained elsewhere)
peglegasus
pelican (their album -- i liked their EP earlier this year)
a.b. quintanilla II presents the kumbia kings
t. raumschmiere
dizzie rascal
simply saucer reissue
spitoons (*greatest hits* vol 1*, though they actually have no hits)
streets EP (internet only, I think)
strokes (hated hated hated this at first, now i guess i don't)
the planet the (should this be filed in the "P"'s? i'm stumped)
throttlerod
turk
tyrades (actual album; i liked a CD-R by them earlier)
weirdos reissue
dwight yoakam (*population me,* not his icky all-covers album)
*el tri buto* comp
*fabric II swayzak* comp
*i like it, volume 1* comp
*phases: the dark side of music - the end records sampler* comp
*space is no place* comp (but the flaming fire song makes me puke)
*stomp and swerve: american music gets hot 1843-1924 CD-R (haven't
listened yet to the actual CD that just came out, which appears
to have maybe 75 percent of the same tracks, more or less)
*untinted: the original blue note sources to madlib's shades of blue*
reissue comp

― chuck, Monday, 3 November 2003 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

*phases: the dark side of music - the end records sampler*

Wow, what's this like? I remember when The End was just starting out with around 3 mediocre melodic death/goth metal bands.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

a charmed life

― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I never heard of End Records then. But anyway, now they have some REALLY REALLY GOOD melodic death/goth metal bands (Virgin Black, Antimatter, and the Gathering, for starters). And some token mediocre ones too -- apparently for old times sake!

― chuck, Monday, 3 November 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

a flock of seagulls best-of

How neat! Is this is a rerelease of the earlier package or something utterly new, I wonder. Hm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

chuck I told you that
you would love gary allan
despite 'tough little boys'*!

*which I still stand up for, except for the tacky-ass video

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 3 November 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the new seagulls' best of reportedly has a slightly different songlist from their old vinyl one (which i reviewed in the Voice when it came out, by the way, but which i no longer own).

best songs on gary allan's new album: "songs about rain," "guys like me," "a showman's life," maybe "you don't know a thing about me" (not necesarily in that order.) worst song on gary allan's new album: "tough little boys" (in that order).

― chuck, Monday, 3 November 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

if "Songs About Rain"
was released as a single
it would KILL the chart

I'm so sick of that
"A Showman's Life" song but damn
Allan nails it

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm wondering about Buck 65 though...I mean, I really like the record too, but it's more of the same from him and diminishing returns etc. Like Sonic Youth, people will think of the first record they heard or the one that came out when they were 15/16 as the only GREAT Buck 65 album.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Really??? I think it blows away the previous two Buck 65s I've heard, if only because he's doing *songs* now -- but who knows, maybe if I went back and listened to those two (from which I mainly remember nice bits about baseball and some version of Roxy Music's "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" or whatever it's called stuck in there) I'd find songs, too. Right now, though, I'd say there's no comparison -- his old stuff just seemed like some kinda collage to me, at the time.

― chuck, Monday, 3 November 2003 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, the new album is what *Greendale* should have been! And maybe even what the Streets album should have been! Not to mention more Tom T. Hall than Tom Waits, whew! (And not just the shoe-shining song!)

― chuck, Monday, 3 November 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

And there's STILL plenty of baseball stuff, for the baseball fans!

― chuck, Monday, 3 November 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

well, it's mechanically separated into songs...

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the one new buck65 track about craftsmanship and shoe shining is so so vintage him!

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

metal urbain reissue
this is krazy and growing on me. french pre-post-whatever punk! so abrasive and yet i can't stop listening to it. like scratching an ugly itch

willie nelson and merle haggard (*pancho and lefty* reissue)
this is still so damn good

streets EP (internet only, I think)
yep, it's internet-only, at least for the moment. haven't taken the dive yet since the bulk of it is remixes from original pirate material, but the remix of "weak become heroes" is ace. though it sort of misses the point by straightening it out into a more e-friendly dance jig, when the original is about e-burnout what with the jagged piano lurching along and all.

― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i can listen to the new nobody record without need of forwarding through tracks. i could also listen to the new strokes all the way through, but i'd really rather listen to only about half the tracks.

― seanp (seanp), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha hi sean!

― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 3 November 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

That Merzbow remix set is pretty good - if there were more tracks like Bola, and less like Mouse on Mars (who actually sound the *most* like Merzbow here) or Nobukazu Takemura, it would be better.

― dleone (dleone), Monday, 3 November 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait....So Horace, in Nova Scotia (maybe even Canada as a whole) do 15 or 16 year olds actually get to HEAR Buck 65? (Hell, maybe they even do in the US, though that might be tough since his records barely exist here.) Is he more or less famous in Canada than Voivod or Simply Saucer?

― chuck, Monday, 3 November 2003 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i wanna hear buck 65! i will look for it. someone else, i forget who, said i would like it a lot.
hey chuck, appropos of nothing, do you think it's kosher of me to put that groovski album on my pazz and jop ballot? i think it came out last year. not that i'm a real stickler about those things.
also, did you get the Ulver remix album from The End? i can't remember if you have mentioned it. it's pretty good. merzbow, third eye foundation, fennesz, etc...

― scott seward, Monday, 3 November 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Um...I liked that Ulver EP they sent me. Was that the remix one? I think I listed it on the last list on here, maybe. As for Groovksi, go for it! -- it says right there in the P&J letter we send out that literal release date doesn't matter (what matters is "year of impact, however you define it," blah blah blah). I'm almost definitely voting for the Justin Timberlake album this year, for crissakes!

― chuck, Monday, 3 November 2003 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

scott, that's funny i was just thinking about third eye foundation this weekend. i really wanna hear some new acts doing stuff like his old records. anyone following in his wake? some stuff on ambush like i-sound and slepcy's 12-inches are pretty decent.

― seanp (seanp), Monday, 3 November 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

no the e.p. is different. the remix thing is a whole album.it's cool, but i was kinda hoping more people would make use of the older more werewolfy stuff. i think people could choose any stuff from their catalogue to fuck with.The End also put out Ulver's old demo on ten inch vinyl. and the gathering on vinyl and katatonia's last album on vinyl too. they are my label of the year!

― scott seward, Monday, 3 November 2003 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

here's the tracklist for the remix album.funky stuff!

Trackinglist: ULVER: Crack bug, ALEXANDER RISHAUG: A
little wiser than the monkey, much wiser than seven men, INFORMATION: Track slow snow, THE THIRD
EYE FOUNDATION: Lyckantropen remix, UPLAND: Lost in moments remix, BOGDAN RACZYNSKI:
Bog’s basil & curry powder potatos recipe, MARTIN HORNTVETH: Der Alte, NEOTROPIC: He said –
she said, A. WILTZIE vs. SOTL: I love you, but I prefer Trondheim, FENNESZ: Only the poor have to
travel, PITA: Ulvrmxsw, JAZZKAMMER: Wolf rotorvator, V/Vm: The descent of men, MERZBOW: Vow
me lbrzu.

― scott seward, Monday, 3 November 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i really wanna hear some new acts doing stuff like his old records.

You're not alone there. The solo album is nice but no more.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 November 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Right now, the Buck 65 video is getting fairly regular play on MuchMusic, and I've heard the single on the commercial station in London (Ontario).

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Which track is the single (and/or video)? I'd pick the Wicked and Weird one, followed by the one with that number in the title and those metal guitars at the end, followed by the one about roses and the Blue Jays and Buck 65's dad, followed only THEN (maybe) by the shoeshining one, though come to think of it the leftfielder one or the houseboat one or the instrumental one or even the one about all those crazy characters walking on the waterfront wild side might work better as a fourth single, and there's probably others I'm forgetting right now since the CD's not in front of me. (Then again, I'm not Canadian, so I probably have no idea what would go over big there.)

― chuck, Monday, 3 November 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i should amend my previous comment to say that hrvatski is the other guy who can do the noise/breakcore thing in an awe-inspiring manner.

speaking of which, any writer interested in that noise/breakcore nexus who's interested in doing some reviews for us, let me know.

― seanp (seanp), Monday, 3 November 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, Wicked and Weird is the single. In the video, he and his puppet friends are driving around in a vintage convertible. At one point, I think, they stop to make some sort of shady deal, but that's open to interpretation.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Monday, 3 November 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck you're right that Moonspell album is awesome

did Nevermore's "Enemies of Reality" do anything for you or is the Queenryche factor too high?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Moonspell open for Amorphis a few years ago. The singer had a lovely cassock.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The Buck 65 is quite good though I find it tiring by the time I get to the end of the album. "Wicked and Weird" is the best, though I heard him do "Roses and Bluejays" live in concert with the Toronto Symphony and it was great also great on the album. With the rest of the material, save the one about cheating on his girlfriend, it's just too...samey. Any of the tracks would sound great popping up at random on my Jukebox, but listening to the whole thing in one sitting can be a bit of a trial.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

To me, it's hard NOT to listen to it all the way through! (Which I can hardly say for ANY albums this year.) Buck 65's VOICE is kinda samey, though; I'll give you that. I wish he had as much vocal energy or personality as, say, Turk does on his new album. And that does bug me, I admit -- in fact, if the CD doesn't make my top ten, that'll be why. But I think the songs and music have LOTS of nuances to them: dub reggae here; spaghetti western there; metal there; country-folk acoustica; classical beauty. I can listen to it like a suite, like *Entroducing* or whatever; there's a *Greendale*-like theme running through it. (Or, I dunno, maybe not *Greendale* -- Springsteen's *The River,* maybe?) But like I said, there's also discreet SONGS (way more than Shadow had), so I don't HAVE to listen to it as a suite.

Never heard that Nevermore album; maybe Century Media didn't send me one. Or maybe I was just scared by those earthworms in the mouth of the monster on the cover. (I just saw the picture at AMG.) Anyway, I think I listened to that band before, and they just seemed ugly or something, but maybe I'm confusing them with 2000 other bands.

― chuck, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, another way the Buck 65 record is like the Neil Young record is that they both sound better in a car, on a long drive. Which is fine. (And incidentally, I LIKE Buck 65's voice; he doesn't strike me as bland or blank the way lots of indie rockers and undie rappers do. I think he's expressive; I just wish his voice *moved* more, I guess. I wish it knew how to *dance.* But it's good in, well, a talking honky blues way. Again, I keep thinking Tom T. Hall. You could also say Beck, but Beck never made an album half this good.)

― chuck, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Hah, I just reviewed the Buck 65 and actually compared it to a road trip, partly because of all of the bits lifted from country in the backing tracks but also because of all of the dusty characters that Buck brings up throughout. I thought more of Tom Waits than Tom T or Beck, though.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Another vocal-rhythm comparison that occured to me: Robert Ashley (circa *Private Parts/The Bar*, the only era of stuff I've ever heard by him), who I haven't heard in years, so maybe I'm way off base.

― chuck, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

And I think your observations about his voice are exactly what I couldn't put my finger on when I was trying to figure out why I found the album kinda monotonous when I listened all the way through. When I came to it fresh again, all of the music sounded different from track to track but I still ran into the fatigue about halfway in, probably just because...despite the fact that the stories he's telling are compelling and the music backing the perfect complement, the voice itself doesn't have the kind of variety that would keep me going all the way to the end.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought of Tom Waits when I saw him LIVE (see way above in the thread, where I refer to the Waits thing), which really bugged me, but I didn't get that from the album at all. Incidentally, I HATE Tom Waits. Which is one reason I also hate that cabaret kitsch horseshit Fiery Furnaces album everybody seems to love so much, but maybe I should listen to that one more, I dunno. Maybe it deserves another chance. People compared them to the Fall, which I don't hear at all.

― chuck, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the Merzbow like? Is the Oneida album Each One Teach One (which has some amazing stuff) or is there a new one?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a new one: *Secret Wars,* which may be my favorite by them, I'm not sure yet. (Previous favorite: that EP with the chicken on the cover, then *Each One Teach One*. Though I've never heard any albums by them that I disliked.) In fact, now that I think of it, it may also be the one album above I might like more than Buck 65's.

I never heard Merzbow before. Um...it's noisy. And beutiful. And apparently remixed by lots of different hipster people. And stuff.

Thing about Buck 65 vs. Waits is that the former doesn't really hit me as doing a stupid obvious beatnik shtick, and the latter pretty much *always* does. I think he's got more Will Rogers than beatnik in him. But maybe I just forget what Will Rogers was actually like.

― chuck, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Secret Wars more like the long quasi-minimalist tracks on disc 1 of E1T1 or more like the songs on disc 2? Or a mix?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW has anyone heard the new Derek Bailey?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

*Secret Wars* is shorter songs, pretty much. But they drone good.

― chuck, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

>>I think he's got more Will Rogers than beatnik in him.<<

By "he" here I meant Buck 65, not Waits, in case I confused anybody.

― chuck, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck, I'd give Nevermore a chance if I were you - unless I misread your taste in metal, they'll be v. interesting to you at the least, and possibly very appealing. They're quite comparable to Queensryche both in their "gravity" and "complexity," both terms I'd avoid but I don't know how else to put it. Mildly proggy but not in a Dream Theater sense of things. Lotsa them minor-harmonies like Soundgarden used to love so well.

The cover is horrid, yes.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

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