Iggy Pop and Sum 41: WTF?

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I just found out about this. Have any of you heard the song?

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 6 November 2003 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Two months ago my roommate says to me, "dude. iggy pop. sum 41. iggy pop + sum 41. download now." And so I did. And it's good, in a Sum 41 way (which is to say if you liked Does This Look Infected, you'll like this). I have no idea where he got this tip-off so long ago, especially since the album and single apparently aren't even out yet.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 6 November 2003 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, that article really spells it out! the song = Sum trying to sound like Iggy + Iggy trying to sound like Sum

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 6 November 2003 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I must admit that I was a bit disturbed--then I realised that my cousins (who adore S-41) will now be aware of who Iggy is for the first time. Hmmmm.

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 6 November 2003 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

paging Alex NYC!

― typo acapulco (gcannon), Thursday, 6 November 2003 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

the manager of the local record store (and a good pal of mine) LOVES it, cuz he's a big Iggy fan (the man totally reveres Naughty Little Doggie for chrissakes). I thought he'd be offended by the fact that it's basically SUM 41 with Iggy singing WITH it (he's hardly even the lead singer on it, it's more of a duet), but he doesn't give a shit. I must confess the best parts of Sum 41 were the drumming and the guitar solos, so this was actually a nice collabo.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 November 2003 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

When will people admit that Iggy sucks? Come on, he guested on the Peaches new album.

― Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 6 November 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

The scariest people are the ones who won't admit Avenue B sucked.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 November 2003 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's time for Bowie to revive his career.

again.

I mean, Peaches for fuxache!

― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 6 November 2003 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

He's come a long way since dueting with Françoise Hardy, that's for sure.

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 6 November 2003 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno about this, but I saw Iggy doing "Lust For Life" with Sum 41 as his backing band on MTV2 last month (since my life can rather fairly be said to revolve around MTV). Anyway, you'd think that you'd want a less, uh, torpid rhythm section for a song like that.

are iggy & sum 41 the new neil young & Pearl jam?

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 6 November 2003 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Sum 41 had better taste.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 6 November 2003 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I quite like Peaches - though I haven't heard the Iggy collabo.

Just thought I'd stand up for something; I mean, why should Iggy suck merely in comparison with her - he's guilty of far worse...

― Michael Dieter, Thursday, 6 November 2003 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

((Just thought I'd stand up for something; I mean, why should Iggy suck merely in comparison with her - he's guilty of far worse...))

No, I'd say a duet with Peaches is about as low as you can go for a once great star. This is someone who, at her peak, simply talked dirty over boring electronica, but at least some of it rhymed. Now, it's timestretching (wow) Joan Jett and saying "Fuck, shit, fuck, shit". I grew out of that around puberty. Peaches is a wanker, another boring speedhump in the highway of challenging, enjoyable music.

As for Iggy, to quote Keith (not that he came up with it though I'm sure); "How the mighty have fallen"

― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 6 November 2003 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I read about this collaboration a couple months ago and felt down for a couple days. Then I read the track listing for the new Iggy (cited with the Stooges for jeebus sakes) album when it was released and read that a couple (not just one!!!) tracks were done with fookin Green Day. I have since decided that Iggy died years ago. It cannot be him. I mean I forgave him for "China Girl", but this. Uggggh. This is not real. (me holding my ears) lalalalalalala. He's dead and this is some evil record company sorporate comgolmerate conspiracy. Yeah, thats the ticket. It's not that he's completely lost all taste together. No. he's real, this is fake. God. Stop reminding me of this shit.

― Mike Salmo (salmo), Thursday, 6 November 2003 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i suggest you give the LP "skull ring" a try. i think it works pretty well. the peaches cover is not as good as the original, but the new song with feebate (peaches and gonzales and that other kitty yo guy) is fantastic

― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 6 November 2003 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

''I thought Sum 41 had better taste.
-- sundar subramanian (sundar_subramanian200...), November 6th, 2003. (later)''

sundar 'wins'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 November 2003 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

File this under 'punk is a genre not an attitude'.

― Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Thursday, 6 November 2003 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

My question is this: why didn't he just do a whole album with the Ashetons (instead of just four songs). Or why didn't he just release it as an e.p.?

I love Iggy and always will, but stunts like roping in Sum 41 depress me endlessly in that they're simply shameless attempts to rope in a younger audience. Okay, skeptics, I can hear you clicking your tongues now: "Oh yeah, Alex? Well, how's that any different from your beloved Killing Joke roping in Dave Grohl to play drums on their new album?" I'll tellya: (1) Dave Grohl is an avowed fan of Killing Joke (whereas I doubt Sum 41 could really tell you much about Iggy beyond what's on his compilation records) (2) Be you a Foo/Nirvana fan or not, Grohl is a powerhouse drummer (whereas one would be severely hard pressed to extoll the merits of Sum 41's musical abilities). I'd sincerely wager that the Joke had a sincere (if begrudging) respect for Grohl that predated their experience working with him, whereas Iggy probably invested zero time in investigating Sum 41 (I'm reminded of that Sinatra duets sketch on SNL where participants lined up at the door to sing with an indifferent/belligerent chairman who didn't give a fuck about them).

Sadly, since...well, probably American Caeser, I don't think devout Iggy fans have come to expect greatness from the man (though even that album had an isolated song or two to recommend it, notabaly the title track). As earlier noted Naughty Little Doggie was dire (the chuckling "Pussy Walk" notwithstanding), Avenue B was arguably ambitious but ultimately flawed (and crushingly dull), Beat'em Up was a depressing sprint back to convention. It's been a long while since Mr.Pop has delivered the goods.

I just don't think the duets formula works here. I just seems so nakedly crass. And as far as Peaches is concerned, I'm comletely stumped what anybody sees in her.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 6 November 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude the drum roll on "little know it all" is the best thing about it. It's pretty powerhouse. Based on sound I never would have guessed it was an Iggy song. His voice isn't even necessarily recognizable.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

So you're saying it's an Iggy song for people who couldn't be arsed about Iggy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The drummer for Sum-41 is good from what I've heard.

I like Green Day.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

So you're saying it's an Iggy song for people who couldn't be arsed about Iggy.

basically. though as I said earlier the biggest Iggy fan I know totally loves it!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember when Iggy duetted with Kate Pierson on "Candy"? Good times.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

also his duet with Debbie Harry on "Well Did You Evah?". God yeah, "Candy"! good times indeed.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Iggy and Sum 41 are on Letterman (I think) tonight.

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"It's been a long while since Mr.Pop has delivered the goods."

Like 1977.

― earlnash, Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

>Like 1977.

I liked a bunch of songs from the New Values/Party/Soldier era.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, that article really spells it out! the song = Sum trying to sound like Iggy + Iggy trying to sound like Sum

Proof that tis a fucked world when Iggy actually wants to relate to the "kids" (ie. masses).

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Iggy's duet with Pierson ("Candy") made me want to set North America on fire. And I like the B52s!

I did like "Well Did You Evah", though.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, thou art a philistine. "Candy" is a great and beautiful 'choon!
Also...I'm just waiting for the Corrs to enter the equation. Maybe their lead singer will be in the Letterman audience, ready for a rematch.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Friday, 7 November 2003 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember the infamous NME 'No Sell Out' issue, in which Mogwai berated Blur for allowing Song 2 to be used everywhere. The example they used of a no sell-out was Iggy.

Is this thread similarly blinkered?

― Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The Corrs got what they deserved.

Iggy did sell out...well pre-dating this album, though. Hell, even Blah Blah Blah could be considered a selling out, given its shiny patina and soulless Bowie production. I still have massive respect for the man, but it seems his dedication to his art wavers from album to album (i.e. sometimes he's bold and inspired..you could make that argument with the unfortunately boring Avenue B, and other times he'll just do whatever a record executive tell him in order to shift units....like collaborate with Sum 41).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

iggy sold out when he stopped winding up his own audience oh wait

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I just heard the album. It sounds like he's finally found the right collaborators (except Peaches who can go die please thank you) but doesn't really have much to say. The first song, "Little Electric Chair" is tremendous. Musically at least the Stooges are back with such a badass joyful fury that I almost started throwing CDs around the store. In fact, most of the tracks are good musically (esp. "Little Know It All" and the second Green Day song), but if Iggy isn't uninspired lyrically he's singing in this horrific Bowie voice. I defintely think this album is more promising than anything he's done in ages though.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

and he's great on that Buddyhead comp (esp. if he's the guy who sings the "I'm tired of Moby" song).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

except Peaches who can go die please thank you

All is forgiven, Anthony! Salut!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Why do you all hate stuff that is awesome?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Because my sole purpose in life is to torment you, Sonny. Didn't you get the memo?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

was that an ILE thread? I don't read ILE.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 7 November 2003 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

plz let us not rehash that whole iggy vs corrs thread

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 8 November 2003 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, Julio.
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― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Saturday, 8 November 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

nothing will trump him doing 'rebel rebel' with lenny kravitz on vh1 for 'no iggy no!' shouts

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 8 November 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

wow.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 November 2003 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

nothing will trump him doing 'rebel rebel' with lenny kravitz on vh1 for 'no iggy no!' shouts

Hahahahahahahaha. This line has MADE my night. Cheers, Cinniblount!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 November 2003 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

five months pass...

Iggy sounds like Telly from sesame street when he's angry backed up with sum41 trying to improve the song!interesting combination!i'm not sure if i like it or h8 it.

― Rosie Garsden, Friday, 16 April 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

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