i mean, theoretically you can set aside a pretty large number of CD's and send one to every publication with a mailing address, but i'm thinking it would be both wiser and more frugal to be selective with where to send promos. so if you're so inclined, just throw out a few names (even the obvious ones, because what's obvious to you may not be obvious to me, etc), of mags or music sites or freelance writers who one can pretty much depend on to actually listen to any random CD their sent, and give serious consideration to running a review of it even if noone's ever heard of it. hell, I'd even send stuff to certain bloggers if I thought they'd give it a listen and write something nice if they liked it.
also, if you have any basic advice on related matters, press kit do's and don't's, etc., feel free.
― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)
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― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)
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― j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)
dleone's advice seems most prudent.m.
― msp, Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)
If the word "metal" appears in your self-description, send it right away.
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)
-- dleone (d_leon...), November 6th, 2003.
good idea. maybe it would be worth trying to put together some kind of index of ILXer writers and what kind of music they'd be interested in hearing, etc. hm....
― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)
I might find the time and focus sometime in the near future to put together some kind of ILM critic directory, in which case, I'll get in contact with anyone who throws their hat in the ring in this thread. it might be useful to a lot of people. if anyone has any organizational ideas to offer, feel free.
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)
this is a fantastic idea.
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark e (mark e), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)
i totally understand the benefits a good publicist can provide, but if you're an active fan of music, and you know the good zines and websites, it's not very hard to generate your own indie publicity. good publicists are not cheap, and unlike musical instruments and recording equipment, you've gotta keep paying them on the first of every month or they stop functioning. *not* hiring one is a good way to save some money.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)
There's nothing wrong with it at all, except lots of reviewers would/will/do feel uneasy about dealing directly with artists, especially when it comes to negative reviews. It's sometimes sensible to have a middle-man, or at least to appear to have one: just make up a PR company name and do it yourself, but I'd advise against saying "*I* made this record and *I'd* like you to review it".
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)
I've been in Vogue, the NME, Q, Guitar Player etc. etc. ad nauseum, thanks to having an utterly brilliant publicist, despite not having a modicum of discernable talent!
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)
of course i don't have the time. i don't have the time to do *anything* that i do! i don't have the time to clean my apartment, i don't have the time to do my laundry, i don't have the time to cook, etc etc etc. and all things being equal, i'd much rather pay someone to clean, wash and cook for me, and do my own publicity. in the end, i guess, you've just got to choose which hassles in your life you're going to outsource and which ones you're going to suck up and do.
but as i said before, i understand the benefits a publicist *can* offer and i've got no problem whatsoever with someone using one. i just got the impression you were saying it was somehow improper to do it yourself -- maybe i misunderstood your tone -- and i just wanted to suggest that there ain't nothing at all wrong with it.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)
so yeah, you'll probably shut off a few opportunities if you go the DIY route.
but if you've got a good record -- an honestly, really good record -- the opportunities will present themselves no matter who's doing the publicizing, as long as you're willing to do the work it takes to actually find and pursue those opportunities. and it does take work.
and the few opportunities you're giving up -- like the chance to be on the cover of magnet -- are most likely opportunities that weren't going to happen anyway.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)
I mean, if anything, the Vogue appearance made *me* feel better, because it was something that people who don't care about music - my mother, my family, other friends, etc. - could actually understand as a tangible "wow that's cool, you are doing something worthwhile after all" positive thing, in a way that things like the NME and Q and Guitar Player didn't.
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)
Because for all the things that we spent money on as a band, the publicist actually produced tangible results in a way that a lot of other things just didn't, for instance, showoff equipment. You can play the Shepherds Bush Empire and the Academy with a little tiny second hand Marshall, but without the publicist it's unlikely that we would have been there in the first place. That's what I call value for money.
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)
ha! now there's something i can identify with!
the only reason i didn't ask the same question about q or nme or gtr player is that vogue made for a snappier, snarkier question. but i agree with you, there's not much of a difference. i don't think any particular great "placement" from any particular proper publicist is going to help anyone here very much, and that's what i was trying to get at. i mean, if someone can get you a lead, 10-star review in nme, or the cover of spin, or an appearance on "TRL," then by all means hire that someone. 'cause that will help you. but that's not what anyone on this thread is talking about.
we're talking about much more mundane, grass-roots stuff here; at least i think we are. we're talking about getting somebody, anybody, to review your record, getting your name out there, building up a presskit, selling a few records, getting some attention. this is the kind of work that people in every imaginable field do by themselves all the time. it takes time, and it takes work, and it takes at least a small bit of intelligence, but you can totally do it by yourself. and you probably don't end up in vogue, but maybe you do end up in skyscraper or venus or the big takeover or any number of places that can in fact help you establish your grass roots.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)