RFI: publications/sites/writers that are worth sending CD's to for reviewing

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just taking a shot in the dark here, for my benefit and maybe others' - if a small label is gearing up to put out a record(s), particularly if the artists aren't in a position to tour much to promote themselves, what is the best way to get the music out there and facilitate potential word of mouth?

i mean, theoretically you can set aside a pretty large number of CD's and send one to every publication with a mailing address, but i'm thinking it would be both wiser and more frugal to be selective with where to send promos. so if you're so inclined, just throw out a few names (even the obvious ones, because what's obvious to you may not be obvious to me, etc), of mags or music sites or freelance writers who one can pretty much depend on to actually listen to any random CD their sent, and give serious consideration to running a review of it even if noone's ever heard of it. hell, I'd even send stuff to certain bloggers if I thought they'd give it a listen and write something nice if they liked it.

also, if you have any basic advice on related matters, press kit do's and don't's, etc., feel free.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

also, if genre/demographic stuff matters, let's just say indie stuff on the experimental pop end of things, with maybe some IDM-y appeal.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I would.
email me for address.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

who do you write for? do you have a site?

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I write for a daily paper in western canada, i don't have a site. but I am open to reviewing stuff that doesn't come from labels. I can't guarantee a placement of a review, but I can guarantee equal consideration.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

but if it sucks I won't say that it doesn't!

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

well, obviously. all i'm looking for is consideration. i might get back to you sometime.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm cool

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

you are! you actually responded to my thread, unlike everyone else!

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

dusted magazine

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

does this mean I'm not cool anymore?

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i've found it really difficult to get press for my releases. i send out a bunch of copies and maybe 5% of them get reviews. of course this time i've been lucky to get press in the wire, which is pretty much the biggest review i've gotten to date. other little websites are hit and miss - some feature really good writing, other don't - but i wonder how many people read them.

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Splendid is supposed to review everything they get, but it will probably take a while. My advice is that since you post on ILM, email individual writers and ask if they are interested in listening to your stuff - if they like, they may write about them. Also good to know specific writer tastes - I get emails from people who have read something I wrote, and will say that since I liked that, I may be interested in their stuff.

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)


us beef-sprayed burger tossers over at the PeaRL are very happy to get things with words like "experimental" attached to them. we're pretty good about writing about stuff with relative speed cause our piles tend to be somewhat smallish. (we actually buy about 98% of what we've reviewed and budgets keep our flow modest.)

dleone's advice seems most prudent.
m.

msp, Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

What Horace said, except I work for a daily in Ontario.
I want to be cool too.

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

PopMatters Media
Attn: Sarah Zupko/Music Editor
P.O. Box 11015
Chicago, IL 60611
http://www.popmatters.com

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

If the word "pop" appears in your self-description, don't send your music to me.

If the word "metal" appears in your self-description, send it right away.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)


Splendid is supposed to review everything they get, but it will probably take a while. My advice is that since you post on ILM, email individual writers and ask if they are interested in listening to your stuff - if they like, they may write about them. Also good to know specific writer tastes - I get emails from people who have read something I wrote, and will say that since I liked that, I may be interested in their stuff.

-- dleone (d_leon...), November 6th, 2003.

good idea. maybe it would be worth trying to put together some kind of index of ILXer writers and what kind of music they'd be interested in hearing, etc. hm....

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Well put me on it. Mail me for details.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Stylus Magazine. Email me - nick_southall@stylusmagazine.com - if you're in the UK or Ed Howard - promos@stylusmagazine.com - if you're in the US.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

There's me too, in my own stumblebum way.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah there's Ned. send him one!

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd give him one!

gaz (gaz), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

nice! thank you, everybody! it'll be a while before my people have stuff ready to send out, though, I'm just thinking ahead. this is encouraging, though.

I might find the time and focus sometime in the near future to put together some kind of ILM critic directory, in which case, I'll get in contact with anyone who throws their hat in the ring in this thread. it might be useful to a lot of people. if anyone has any organizational ideas to offer, feel free.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe it would be worth trying to put together some kind of index of ILXer writers and what kind of music they'd be interested in hearing, etc.

this is a fantastic idea.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I write for some alt-weeklies...email me.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

if you think your stuff fits in with ireallylovemusic's current grooves then by all means drop me a line and i'll give the disc a spin. ta. m.e/ireallylovemusic.co.uk

mark e (mark e), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Hire a *proper* publicist. It will save you a lot of hassle, and is possibly the most worthwhile investment that any band can ever make.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

what makes a publicist proper, and what on earth is wrong with an artist sending an email to a reviewer, addressing a padded envelope with cd inside to said reviewer, and then sending a followup email to the same reviewer, when he doesn't feel like paying this proper publicist to do the same thing? we're not talking rocket science here.

i totally understand the benefits a good publicist can provide, but if you're an active fan of music, and you know the good zines and websites, it's not very hard to generate your own indie publicity. good publicists are not cheap, and unlike musical instruments and recording equipment, you've gotta keep paying them on the first of every month or they stop functioning. *not* hiring one is a good way to save some money.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

what on earth is wrong with an artist sending an email to a reviewer, addressing a padded envelope with cd inside to said reviewer, and then sending a followup email to the same reviewer, when he doesn't feel like paying this proper publicist to do the same thing?

There's nothing wrong with it at all, except lots of reviewers would/will/do feel uneasy about dealing directly with artists, especially when it comes to negative reviews. It's sometimes sensible to have a middle-man, or at least to appear to have one: just make up a PR company name and do it yourself, but I'd advise against saying "*I* made this record and *I'd* like you to review it".

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, if you've got that kind of time - as opposed to time that you'd rather spend actually, say, writing songs and playing music - then you go right ahead.

I've been in Vogue, the NME, Q, Guitar Player etc. etc. ad nauseum, thanks to having an utterly brilliant publicist, despite not having a modicum of discernable talent!

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

and being in vogue has advanced your music career how exactly?

of course i don't have the time. i don't have the time to do *anything* that i do! i don't have the time to clean my apartment, i don't have the time to do my laundry, i don't have the time to cook, etc etc etc. and all things being equal, i'd much rather pay someone to clean, wash and cook for me, and do my own publicity. in the end, i guess, you've just got to choose which hassles in your life you're going to outsource and which ones you're going to suck up and do.

but as i said before, i understand the benefits a publicist *can* offer and i've got no problem whatsoever with someone using one. i just got the impression you were saying it was somehow improper to do it yourself -- maybe i misunderstood your tone -- and i just wanted to suggest that there ain't nothing at all wrong with it.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, read Charlie No 4's for a counterpoint argument from a music journalist about why you might not want to do it yourself.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(And BTW, I know you probably don't know this cause you're a guy and all, but Vogue, like many other non-specifically music magazines, does occasionally write stuff about music and/or reviews and things? Thanks for jumping to conclusions.)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i have no doubt that CharlieNo4 is right in the case of a some reviewers, and i guess that's the risk you take when you dare go on your own. i also know some quite respectable reviewers who have no problem at all hearing from artists directly, even artists that they don't know.

so yeah, you'll probably shut off a few opportunities if you go the DIY route.

but if you've got a good record -- an honestly, really good record -- the opportunities will present themselves no matter who's doing the publicizing, as long as you're willing to do the work it takes to actually find and pursue those opportunities. and it does take work.

and the few opportunities you're giving up -- like the chance to be on the cover of magnet -- are most likely opportunities that weren't going to happen anyway.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(and yes i am a guy, though i don't recall ever saying so. talk about jumping to conclusions. me, i wasn't jumping to any conclusions at all. i was asking an honest question -- though admittedly in a snarky way. i'll ask again: as an indie musician -- and here i'll jump to the conclusion that you're not a member of the white stripes or the polyphonic spree, correct me if i'm wrong -- how has your vogue appearance helped your music career?)

fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have a clue. Obviously not enough, as I no longer have a musical career. However, it did keep the band going long enough to garner the support slot on a very big tour, which we might not have had the motivation to do otherwise. I mean, why don't you ask "How did an appearance in Q or the NME or Guitar Player help your career?" because I've not seen or felt any tangible evidence based on those, either.

I mean, if anything, the Vogue appearance made *me* feel better, because it was something that people who don't care about music - my mother, my family, other friends, etc. - could actually understand as a tangible "wow that's cool, you are doing something worthwhile after all" positive thing, in a way that things like the NME and Q and Guitar Player didn't.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

My original post was honestly not trying to be facetious. It was genuine advice, BTW.

Because for all the things that we spent money on as a band, the publicist actually produced tangible results in a way that a lot of other things just didn't, for instance, showoff equipment. You can play the Shepherds Bush Empire and the Academy with a little tiny second hand Marshall, but without the publicist it's unlikely that we would have been there in the first place. That's what I call value for money.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

it was something that people who don't care about music - my mother, my family, other friends, etc. - could actually understand as a tangible "wow that's cool, you are doing something worthwhile after all" positive thing

ha! now there's something i can identify with!

the only reason i didn't ask the same question about q or nme or gtr player is that vogue made for a snappier, snarkier question. but i agree with you, there's not much of a difference. i don't think any particular great "placement" from any particular proper publicist is going to help anyone here very much, and that's what i was trying to get at. i mean, if someone can get you a lead, 10-star review in nme, or the cover of spin, or an appearance on "TRL," then by all means hire that someone. 'cause that will help you. but that's not what anyone on this thread is talking about.

we're talking about much more mundane, grass-roots stuff here; at least i think we are. we're talking about getting somebody, anybody, to review your record, getting your name out there, building up a presskit, selling a few records, getting some attention. this is the kind of work that people in every imaginable field do by themselves all the time. it takes time, and it takes work, and it takes at least a small bit of intelligence, but you can totally do it by yourself. and you probably don't end up in vogue, but maybe you do end up in skyscraper or venus or the big takeover or any number of places that can in fact help you establish your grass roots.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 7 November 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, bear in mind that we are in different markets, and my advice is probably more relevant in the UK, where coverage at *any* level outside a few fanzines is based more on who your publicist is than anything else.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)


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