REM - "Pilgrmage"

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Always reminds me of the first blast of snow we really got..yeah, thats so fucking indie...talk about Murmur here all u want

Michael B, Friday, 7 November 2003 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It's all about the 2 headed cow.

Carey (Carey), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the last fifteen or so seconds of "Moral Kiosk" when the real low end kicks in.

Prude (Prude), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Great drum sound.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 7 November 2003 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

My favorite REM memories of the moment is seeing them do "9-9" live in 1984 and just going bananas with the start-stop until it all fell apart in this great crash of feedback.

Even after all these years of listening to it, I'm still finding amazement in "West Of The Fields". Just an an amazing production with the opening submarine drums and all the vocals.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 7 November 2003 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"We Walk" is a lovely silly little song, something I actually like about REM, nicely undermined by the chilling glacial sounds of a distant game of pool.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 7 November 2003 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Murmur is the greatest album of all time. Was it big over there in the UK? It should've been.

SEARCH: The Gregorian chant in "Pilgrimage."

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 7 November 2003 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

holy shit i put murmur on last night and took it off after 4 songs because i wasn't enjoying it, but i thought about starting a thread about 'pilgrimage' because that at least sounded great, TOTAL start of winter classic.

(nb not hating on murmur, just wasn't feeling it yesterday)

pete b. (pete b.), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"sitting still" is my fav i think.

really like murmur. it and reckoning ("harborcoat", " chinese brothers" and "little america" all just kill) are the ones that hold up best for me. it was best when you could not understand what michael stipe was saying. their suckyness now is throughly depressing...

marcg (marcg), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"sitting still" = template for a million trillion indiepop bands

mitch easter is a fucking charlatan though. how he got a reputation as a good producer i'm fucked if i know. he wasn't even the best songwriter in Let's Active

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

But like "Easy Does"!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always really wanted to do an icy microhouse type mix of Pilgrimage with the vocals really echoey in the background. I think it's the kick drum that does it.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)


How dare you diss Mitch Easter. Look what his former band's CDs are going for now!

http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?meta_id=2&domain_id=1876&cpid=1740892

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

haha the fools! they've been reissued!!

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

cypress is a decent record. but the production job Easter did for the Hummingbirds is so bad (and they were charged like a mad bull for it) that i want to slap the guy silly

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

ok i admit my mitch easter haterism is 99% because of what he did to the hummingbirds

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll be ok w/you not being all into "Cypress" if you say you like "Send You".

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't remember it offhand

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I should tape it for you! FLYING NUN, man!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the first Sneaky Feelings album

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"Pilgrimage" is great, but that one weird roto tom-ish drum overdub towards the end always disturbs my reverie a little.

If I'm gonna put on an early R.E.M. album these days, I usually go back to the root: Chronic Town. I was a freshman at UGA when it came out, and I can still remember buying it, taking it back to my dorm room, and listening to it over and over, just boggled that someone from Athens did something that good. And then the person who reviewed it in the Red and Black (college daily) actually made a comparison (in re "Gardening at Night") that it was as good as something the Beatles could have done, which both shocked me and struck me as totally true. And then a week or two later, Rolling Stone reviewed it and gave it four stars. I still remember how surreal it all seemed. The U.S. indie revolution was on, as it were.

And the record still sounds pretty damn good, too. Murmur is another great record and another great achievement, but something about the relatively clean sound and simplicity of C-Town still does it for me, on those occasions I need it done.

Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

psychedelic folk disco is the bombdiggity.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/6745/marat.jpg

Carey (Carey), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

lee you went to georgia?!!!

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

haha - 'chronic town's still their best' is soooo athens response to r.e.m. (well that, and 'spare a dime mister?')

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "Shaking Through" has to be just about my favorite R.E.M. tune -- the interplay between the piano and guitar makes me feel like a little kid running through a wheat field.

Of course, "Perfect Circle" is wonderous - and, it beats the pants off the tiredly copiest "Nightswiming".

The first "Mobile Fidelty" LP i bought was Murmer -- i hate it; you have to crank the stereo all the way up to get any decent volume (my "Half-Speed Master" of Blow By Blow does the same thing).

Hell, i'll even throw out a little love for Don Dixon (see "Jean Harlow's Return"), hey, do you think it was he with the tastey piano chops?

christoff (christoff), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

lee you went to georgia?!!!

Yes, for about a year and a half. Long, stupid story. I still have lots of fond memories of the place, though.

haha - 'chronic town's still their best' is soooo athens response to r.e.m.

I didn't say it's their best, just my all-time sentimental fave, for reasons outlined above.

Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

once me and a friend were doing some rockgeekwank "debate" on the best song on certain albums (in front of our girlfriends too = we should be shot) and when we left the bar one of them said 'murmur' jokingly and my friend said 'talk about the passion' and I responded by shouting 'TALK ABOUT THE PASSION SUCKS' very loudly... right when mike mills and stipe walked into the bar.

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU SAW MIKE MILLS AND STIPE IN A BAR??? Cool!

Chronic Town IS their best, dammit!! If it was an album, it'd be the greatest album of all time! But it's just an EP, so it has settle for best EP of all time.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, "Talk About the Passion" does sort of suck, except maybe for the string part.

Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

That reminds me of the time I was dissing David Grey while I was working the register in my record store and Dave Matthews came up to purchase some cds.

Talk About the Passion had the worst video.

Carey (Carey), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Mitch Easter's production on REM's early stuff was a case of right guy, right band, right time. I've not heard much else he's done that I've been too impressed with.

I prefer Reckoning, I guess, but I've not listened to any of them in years. Floppy haired moody singer has become some sort of gay Action Man, Buck looks like a bench, Mills seems to have been repeating the same bass fills for the last 5 records.

The main problem I have with them these days is that every album seems to be some sort of ill-advised reaction to the previous ill-advised reaction to . . . (nb as well all know this started with Monster).

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody know where I can find old reviews of C-Town and Murmur? Especially college papers like the one Lee's talking about? That kind of stuff is a part of DIY indie rock history.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Brighten the Corners was a pretty awful sounding album -- wasn't that M.E.?
I have long-lost my old audiocassette Murmur but reading this makes me want to buy it again...

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't stand Chronic Town, AT ALL, for some reason. Mitch Easter does put a Midas touch to the first two LPs, though, both which I still find endlessly listenable, something I can't say for the rest of their catalog or Mitch Easter's. Meh.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 8 November 2003 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I was a freshman at UGA when it came out

That's awesome. When I was in high school a decade later and crazy about R.E.M., I strongly felt like I should have been in college in the early '80s, when those records came out. It was like I had missed out on being at the right place at the right time.

I love the flat, imploding sound of the drums in as "Pilgrimage" kicks into the chorus. And Buck's back-and-forth guitar in the chorus, with the voices over it - R.E.M. really never sounded better. (I was never crazy about "Radio Free Europe," so I always started the album with this song.)

Sam J. (samjeff), Saturday, 8 November 2003 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(Listening to Murmur now) Man, but I like "Laughing" even better. What a great album.

Sam J. (samjeff), Saturday, 8 November 2003 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I gotta admit this is probably like my second or third or fourth least favorite song on the album ("We Walk," "West Of The Fields," "Talk About The Passion" being the other contenders). but it's still the psychedelic folk disco thang that you gotsta love.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 November 2003 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I was a Freshman in College when Document came out & I still have a strong sentimental streak for those "college rock" classix. Murmur is such a wonderful record, nothing REM ever did sounded quite like it. Such a perfect cover for it too, really captures the sound.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 8 November 2003 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing I never understood: Why do people always mention college when they talk about R.E.M.?

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 8 November 2003 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

None more college rock (in a certain perceived sense of the word). I think they might well be the first American band to not merely be able to tour but actually pull in pretty big crowds solely due to college radio play, but that's probably after-the-fact legend making once "The One I Love" broke big. Anyone else have a better sense of what happened?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 November 2003 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

no they did pretty well pre-"The One I Love" (eg. Murmur went gold). also, they were pretty dead set on 'making it' (if not quite as monomaniacally driven as U2) - touring constantly, doing loads of press, networking, making sure to play larger venues with each consecutive tour. they, and in particular peter buck, were very proud that each of their albums had sold more than the one before it (I think the first to break the streak was Automatic).

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

Anyone else have a better sense of what happened?

The "college rock" term is actually appropriate in this instance b/c of of the scene, very specific to the U. of Georgia art school crowd, begat by REM &, before them, the B52's. They were all bored college kids with creativity to spare who constructed their own idiosyncratic universe without any clue that the larger world would be watching at all. Also, what happened there seemed to set the stage for the other college-related microcosms that sprouted up in the 80s & early 90s: Chapel Hill, Austin & the like. Granted, college towns have been seedbeds for cultural happenings long before REM etc., but they sort of drew attention to the phenomenon & thus became intrinically linked with the "college" idea. I'm sure they got played on college radio a lot as well, along with all of their Our Band Could Be Your Life peers who paved the way for Nirvana &, later, Puddle of Mudd.

D'Andrelo, the gay white ex-con (Pillbox), Friday, 12 December 2008 06:35 (sixteen years ago)


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