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So who else is falling in love with them?

Tim is welcome to euologise again, because he is an incredibly evocative writer and because he's ace all round, but has anyone else discovered their glories?

― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 30 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Yes. Since I Left You is fantastic. I don't know what else to say, because in many ways the album's experience defies attempts to put it into words, such is the staggering range of emotions and moods it takes me through.

I did put up a review of "Frontier Psychiatrist" on my blog, but it doesn't fully do justice to the song, and certainly not to the album.

― Ian White, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Why thank you, Robin. I hope this enthusiasm spills over into updates of your site. ;-)

I don't have much to add that wasn't in my review, but what is interesting is how amazingly popular the album is here in Australia. Topping all the critics' lists, number six on the official national "alternative chart" (whatever that means), "Frontier Psychiatrist" voted 6th best song of the year by listeners of Triple J, the very popular national youth radio network. And of course the album plays everywhere, especially in music stores.

Sometimes this turns me against an album (the overkill effect), but instead all I can feel is a strange excitement - there are obviously a lot of people out there who are listening to really good music! The world can't be all bad.

Not surprising though, I guess. A great deal of the album's magic stems from the fact that as strange and wonderful it is, it's also a very accessable album. It's a party record as well as a sonic treasure chest, and its strict sampling aesthetic is leavened by the overwhelming presence of great toonz. There's something quite heartening about a record that can cross so many boundaries like that. Maybe it's the Dubya of pop?

Hopefully I'll get to see them live in two weeks. Already excited.

― Tim, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I have heard some tracks which I downloaded with Napster, they sound allright esp. the one with the MBV whoosh. 2 tracks have a bit of sunny Daft Punk feel which is just okay with me. Think I'll have to hear the cd as a whole for a true enlightenment. XL Recordings were plugging them in an ad together with upcoming releases by Basement Jaxx and The Prodigy. But yeah I see the potential for crossover a la Basement Jaxx/Daft Punk.

― Omar, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I'm cross cause I first heard them last autumn after a recommendation from a guest on Robert Elms's BBC London Live of all places. He was going on about this amazing segued album like nothing else from Australia that everyone should hear (but hadn't got it with him). It sounded intriguing enough for me to look on Napster for stuff by them, and found 'Frontier Psychiatrist' . I thought it was a gas (although I wondered about its novelty wearing off) but hadn't got around to hunting out the album. I will, though. I suppose the only point of this message is to register my feeling that I ought to have told you all about it back then. It's rare that I discover things before you lot!

N. xx

― Nick, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Don't feel too bad Nick, although it was locked in record company limbo for ages, it only came out in Australia on November 27th, and it's not coming out in Europe till April. As for the US, who knows?

― Tim, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Everybody's a bastard son of a whore if this doesn't get US release. I'm sure 12 minutes after I buy the Aussie version, it'll get domestic release and taunt me with its $10.99 price tag. This already happened with the last Boredoms proper album. Fuckit, I get a good exchange rate from you blokes. Or hey, fuckit, the CD I burned sounds pretty good too.

― Otis Wheeler, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

The Avalanches are great. I bought the album as soon as it came out, being from Melbourne it is always a good thing to support local music, especially if it is really good music for a change. At first though, I have to say that the mix on the album was a bit muddled to listen to. The layered tracks becoming too textured by various beeping and electronic sound effects, not as defined as a strictly dance release (ie the Basement Jaxx/Daft Punk comparison). Consequently, it was difficult to get my head around for a while. However, on much repeated listening, especially on headphones, the complexity breaks down and each recognized 'moment' on the album becomes strangely enduring. The repeated screams and horse neighs, for example, tie the continuous flow of sounds together nicely, though how this might contribute to the 'theme' of an ill-fated voyage is still a mystery to me. In any case, it makes me proud to come from Melbourne, a city with a healthy music scene, apparently.

― Michael Dieter, Thursday, 1 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Unfortunately I missed the album lauch for 'Since I left You,' and considering the last time I saw them was over a year ago, seeing them last weekend at the Big Day Out (Australia's travelling hullapalooza) was a joyous experience. Their time is certainly now, with a magic stage presence complete with instrument swapping, some kick-ass wrestling moves and of course the brilliant tunes. An entire crowd and the rest of the band pointing at Dexter singing 'that boy needs therapy' and a lounged up version of 'like a rolling stone' were one of the many highlights ...catch them live soon.

― Jeremy Shiell, Sunday, 4 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

One Melbourne Street-Press

www.beat.com.au

said that the BDO performance was boring (more or less), did you go the Melbourne concert?

― Michael, Monday, 5 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful..........

― sisoje, Monday, 5 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Being an Australian, the Avalanches are the only local band that I've really felt excited about in, well, YEARS. It seems to totally go against the whiney pseudo-grunge bands or insipid limp bizkit rip- offs that having been blighting the Australian music scene throughout the nineties and into the noughties.

I'm seeing them next week! :)

-Mike

― michael stuchbery, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

two months pass...
What I've heard so far - and that's a handful of tracks, not the album (which is why I'm flying this kite here not on the site) - has been disappointing, especially given the number of people whose tastes I greatly admire (Tim, Otis, Simon Reynolds) who have been raving about it.

What seems to be the problem, listening to the single, is that the band - like most crate-digging outfits - are too tasteful in their bliss. It's a single that does for breezy, uplifting pop what mid-90s trip-hop did for funk and old skool rap: fusses over it and squashes it a little.

Chatting on IM I compared it to GYBE!, too - the problem with that band being that they take a set of sounds which they know and we know stand for certain emotional things (seriousness, high emotion, existential pain) and they work them and work them and yes, we do feel that stuff, and they're a likeable and effective band for me but impossible to love. And I'm concerned that the Avalanches might have a similar effect - house beasts, lounge sounds, fluttery vocals, goofy samples, ah right I need to be joyful now, ta muchly.

Or maybe I'm overanalysing and I just don't like the band because the tunes are a bit sickly.

― Tom, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

i'm a little disappointed really.

i think sukia, east of suez and tipsy have all done better with this template (although, having said that, the new tipsy album is a little disappointing too)

some of 'since i left you' is pretty good, its just nowhere near as good as everyone says.

oh, and does anyone remember that song 'slow walking' that the avalanches did a couple years ago? now, that was superb (although the rest of that ep was deadly dull)

― gareth, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I have heard nothing from them yet, but I'm intrigued. Reynold's review in Uncut didn't really reveal why they're so good, but instead makes me expect "upbeat wackiness" of some kind.

On previous experience, DJ Shadow excepted, records with hundreds of samples stuck together can irritate. I guess it takes a real talent to "hear" how to integrate lots of disparate components to make something that is more than the sum of the pieces. In some ways I'd rather not know that the Avalanches record was a patchwork of samples. I'd rather see what I think, and find out later.

Are there any albums to which "Since I..." can be compared in MOOD, regardless of whether they were recorded conventionally or are sample- heavy?

― Dr. C, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

anyone here familiar with alpha?

― fred solinger, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Since I started the ball rolling, I thought I'd weigh in here...

I can almost understand why those discovering The Avalanches now might find them disappointing. Firstly, "Since I Left You" is a brilliant opener but an awful awful single. Standing alone it sounds pat, smug and ineffectual whereas on the album it strikes me as glorious and wondrous.

It's obviously been given the big push in the UK because the band now have a celebrated aesthetic and that song serves as a talking point for it in a way that "Frontier Psychiatrist" certainly didn't. And that's what was nice about the album when it came out here: that "what the fuck?" element when the expected indie-punk-hop moves were unexpectedly jettisoned in favour of such sweeping beauty. But now beauty is the band's schtick, so nothing shocks.

And obviously a couple of us did the naughty thing of building up this album to impossibly high expectations, and again the consequence is that the band acquire an uncomfortable sense of auteur-ship. Like, I find it interesting that Tom would use GYBE! as a comparison. I totally understand his point, but I reckon The Avalanches are a lot less deliberate or thought-out than GYBE! (or any of the current post-rock bands for that matter). I mean these guys are basically a group of larrakins who jump around on stage, and if anything the album's (relative) professionalism is a happy accident.

Obviously I can't just wave my hands and make everyone like it. I've been avoiding listening to it since my good headphones broke, but I know that my ardour hasn't faded.

― Tim, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

So maybe I'm the one in the corner now, standing solo?

I can see what Tom means about their sound being too predictably tasteful, but the single is unrepresentative. It's pretty much an introduction; when you get further into the album tracks like "A Different Feeling", "Two Hearts In 3-4 Time" and "Close to You" do the euphoric bliss thing far better and far less formulaically.

I don't think they're anything like as "wacky" as Dr C suspects; "Frontier Psychiatrist" is a red herring. "Etoh" and "Summer Crane" are where they really shine, after we're over that aberration; the latter has a rebirth of 70s radio pop cliche to at least equal Daft Punk's "Digital Love".

I think I may have overrated it slightly on Elidor, but only slightly. If you don't feel about halfway through "Electricity" that the rest of the world is suddenly far uglier and far more backward than it was yesterday, and it is now your duty to walk through each moment with a new zest, a new fervour, then I'm not sure whether you should be here.

― Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

is being given to hyperbole a prerequisite for being an avalanches fans? ;)

but seriously, yes, as tim brings up, i blame the lot of you -- tim, robin, otis, ian -- for building expectations up to olympian heights. i *like* the avalanches, but i get the feeling from some that that's not enough; that anything less than devoting your life to them amounts to effrontery of the highest order. i can take some tracks, but i'd end up leaving more. it's a great -- bear with the use of the word here -- "gimmick," but the tunes don't stand up for me. perhaps this will be different by the next album, perhaps this is merely a warm-up. as always, time will tell.

the feeling i'm left with is that an album that alters one's world view should be a bit more convincing. to my ears, since i left you seems content to be breezy and pleasant, but i need more than that. the album, and i almost feel like i can't say this enough, *for me*, lacks a core, it lacks heart. it seems less like music made with genuine joy and love (cf. discovery) than like music crafted with...no, it sounds crafted, period. allow me to pigeonhole it as dance so that i may wrap this up: i believe that dance music is an appeal to your heart and soul from the beyond, which is why i'm not feeling since i left you: it comes across as dance music for your head.

― fred solinger, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Fred:

"is being given to hyperbole a prerequisite for being an avalanches fans :)."

Well, maybe :). I do see what you mean that perhaps it doesn't necessarily utterly alter your view of the world in the way that such rapturous praise as thrown forward by myself and Tim, and that, by those criteria, it is a disappointment. I don't have any problem with others like yourself setting up their own, less ambitious criteria, and judging "Since I Left You" to be a success on those terms.

However, when the word "crafted" is used as a pejorative term, I do sometimes start worrying whether outmoded ideas about "meaning it" are being brought into the debate. I don't think *you* are, Fred, but I think you're stepping onto slightly dodgy ground. "Discovery" sounds to me at least as crafted as "Since I Left You"; obviously it's not based around sample collages, but the pomo craft mentality is still there, just less blatant.

― Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Fred:

"is being given to hyperbole a prerequisite for being an avalanches fans :)."

Well, maybe :). I do see what you mean that perhaps it doesn't necessarily utterly alter your view of the world in the way that such rapturous praise as thrown forward by myself and Tim, and that, by those criteria, it is a disappointment. I don't have any problem with others like yourself setting up their own, less ambitious criteria, and judging "Since I Left You" to be a success on those terms.

However, when the word "crafted" is used as a pejorative term, I do sometimes start worrying whether outmoded ideas about "meaning it" are being brought into the debate. I don't think *you* are, Fred, but I think you're stepping onto slightly dodgy ground. "Discovery" sounds to me at least as crafted as "Since I Left You"; obviously it's not based around sample collages, but the pomo craft mentality is still there, just less obvious.

― Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Sorry for the above - I slightly altered it to make the last word seem less of a (possible) diss of the Avalanches, and it comes in twice. Heigh-ho :).

― Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

robin:

i highly agree with you that discovery is a crafted album: of this there can be no doubt. however, the point i was trying to make, though i think i failed, was that since i left you sounds crafted. period. like a chemistry experiment. whereas, yes, discovery is crafted, but it goes on from there. and of course this is all highly subjective. ;)

― fred solinger, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Fred, it's a sample-based album. Of course it feels "crafted". Robin's right as well in that _Discovery_ is equally crafted, but - importantly - that's *why* it's good. And even if, as I imagine you do, you mean by "crafted" that it's a cynical deployment of readily available themes and ideas, can I just say, eh, U2? "Since I Left You" (the song) strikes me as a lot more effective than "Beautiful Day".

I listened to the album again on good headphones on the way to university today, and yes it is still marvelous marvelous marvelous and I wouldn't change a word of my review. As much as I tend to be on the side of pop when it comes to double-standards, the deliberacy with which The Avalanches stake out their emotional targets doesn't strike me as a problem any more than it does with Destiny's Child or Britney. When I listen to "Born To Make You Happy" I recognise its manipulativeness (albeit not with such an English inflection) but I still *do* feel sad. So is the difference with, let us say, *alternative* music that there's a presumed smugness and/or claim to authenticity that irritates, or is it that we do in fact demand this authenticity in a way we have long ceased to in pop? Is the distinction with Daft Punk that they've so consistently played the artificiality card that the only recourse left to the thinking listener is to perversely perceive an *enhanced* authenticity or sense of meaning?

Ultimately Fred, as I noted before, I can't make you enjoy the album (and indeed you seem to take pleasure in that fact; how very Ned-like of you) but the implication of the "avalanches backlash" is that _Since I Left You_ is an album that dupes people, which hurts me in my heart.

― Tim, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

PS. the "English inflection" bit was supposed to be a reference to Tom's "ta muchly" line but its parent sentence got gutted.

― Tim, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Possible difference - Britney and especially DC present us with pop scenarios (though lyrics and subject) which cant help but shape the emotional response to the song, so the manipulation becomes less abstracted and less of an issue.

The authenticity thing is a bit of a red herring. I dont think manipulation has anything to do with the realness or not of pop music. The annoying dialogue around sample-based records tends to be one of look-how-eclectic-rare-etc.-these-sounds-are: you're invited to admire the artist's tastes. But that's not happened with the Avalanches so far.

I dont know though, I've just not liked what I've heard much and thought I'd better grope around for a reason. Basically it catapults yours and Robin's soul into an ocean of joy and it leaves me thinking hold on, this is a bit cloying and annoying. And it's always easier to explain why you like something than why you don't. I've got other criticisms but I want to listen to the album and decide whether I'm right about them or not.

― Tom, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

i guess, to set the record straight, i should put forth a definition of "crafted." when i use crafted above, i mean that the record sounds like a math equation and is just as rigid, i.e. since i left you doesn't strike me as a "loose" record; there seems to be a place for everything and everything is in its place. u2 is a very fine comparison point, i think. let's talk about "walk on" because i'd cede that "since i left you" (the song) is better than "beautiful day." is it crafted? yesssss, and i think i said as much in my review many moons ago, but what it comes down to is the quality of the parts, in which case i'd come down on the side of u2. the heart and soul i speak of with regards to daft punk no longer seems present in current-day u2, but the music is still agreeable to my ears and i readily admit that i have different expectations when it comes to different genres of music.

daft punk! they could be very well duping me into thinking that they mean all of what they're recording and it's really all just a big joke; i probably buy their simplicity of lyric and emotion because they're foreign and i potentially don't give them enough credit, etc. without getting further mired in theory, discovery hits the bullseye on my heart whereas since i left you merely grazes the ear. meanwhile, there is much hurt in that very same heart by your assertion that i take pleasure in disliking the album in ned- like fashion! ned-like! rarely have i been so insulted. but, yeah, i really wish that i loved since i left you as some of you do; i'm consistently looking out for new music to catapult my heart to the stars and based on all i heard i'm rather disappointed that it wasn't to be with me and the avalanches, though i shall continue to lend it my ear. most troubling, though, is that while i've not taken to the avalanches, radiohead's amnesiac, based on what i've listened to, is quickly becoming something i'm looking forward to. shocker!

― fred solinger, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Must apologise for the implication in one of my earlier posts that "Discovery" and "Since I Left You" were pretty much the same thing. Having listened to both albums virtually all yesterday, the difference became very clear; "Discovery" is far *smoother*, for want of a better term, and because it's based around a comparatively streamlined, clean, direct sound rather than the Avalanches' hysterical sampladelia, I can see why it would seem more "meaningful" and "Since I Left You" seem more "contrived". I can see where you're coming from, Fred, and in many similar cases I'd agree with you.

Tom - I'd be *very* interested in your response to the album. I still think you'd realise after a while that it isn't that cloying and it *isn't* one of those emptily "smart", "superior" pomo projects, and in fact the most immediately striking thing about it is that it isn't like that. You were slightly disadvantaged by hearing "Frontier Psychiatrist" first - admittedly so did I, but I'd heard the whole album very soon and realised how (happily) untypical a novelty dud it is.

― Robin Carmody, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Well, I bought the album last night because I needed cheering up. And it cheered me up. Can't say fairer than that.

Yes, it works better as an album. It reminds me of a blither version of Hal Willner's Whoops, I'm An Indian - much more technically and sonically tingly but lacking the witty and beguiling mystery that album had for me. It's a good record, it'll soundtrack a Summer well and it deserves the praise it's getting if not the *degree* of praise.

― Tom, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Finally got the album...nice! Somehow very light on first listen. Even 'Frontier Psychiatrist' isn't that irritating anymore in the overall context.

But to finally anwser Dr.C's query: it's very hard to find a record to compare it with. Certainly not 'Discovery' (impossible). It just reminds me a bit of DJ Food's 'Recipe for Disaster'. I would think a rock-crit description could be along the lines of Mantronix doing a megamix with Art of Noise.

― Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

three weeks pass...
Avalances is, as Tim says, the result of happy accident, those original combinations are still evident, but then the raw inspiration has been sugar coated, or sun kissed, (depending on how you take it.) In particular I'm impressed what appears to be 'a love of their own sound', almost as if this album is a celebration of the initial mix, and although I agree with the critisism that it lacks 'heart' (since when did party soundtracks need a heart) their passion is expressed in the unremitting enthusiasm. On first listen, I found myself trying to turn it off after the a couple tracks, just for being too damn perky, but it was impossible, like making you way back to the shore when the waves keep crashing over and dragging you back out. Despite my initial problems the shameless effervescance rises above the eclectic self-congratulation that limits so many other bargain bin excursions, and the sequence of 'A Different Feeling' and 'Electricity' are evidence that there's more to them than mere play.
It's a milestone on the dull route from Cold-cut's Journeys By DJs, which shares the same broad scope, but lacks the lazer sighted attention to detail, that comes as the result of studio post- production. I'm surprised they pulled it off as access to a vinyl stackola and a DMX champion DJ is no guarantee of success. Still sublime, still ridiculous.
By the way, what's the Ehot sample, the vocoded mantra, something circa 96/97, Up Bustle and Out perhaps? Please, it's driving me mad.

― K-reg, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Avalances vs Daft Punk? Similar in that they are both complete albums, work from what has already come before, and share a sense of humour, but DP are taking a different position to the Avalances. I find that whereas A seem to be revelling in what they have found, making jokes, DP don't make the distinction between themselves and the music, the humour is dead-pan, suggesting that they themselves are the source of the music (this backed up by the robot gag)

― K-reg, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Have no idea what the vocoder vocals from "Etoh" are from originally, but it's probably my favourite moment on the album - funny that Daft Punk and The Avalanches both hit upon the idea of robots scatting at the same time. Admittedly the processes and results are both quite different. I think the vocal says "Did me wrong" before it launches off into cut up mayhem, if that helps at all.

― Tim, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

one month passes...
Trawling through the net to see if anybody had i.d'd the dexter sample (i heard it was from the same old film that might have inspired the cartoon). Anyhow just thought id contribute my view, I found the single Since I Left You exceedingly annoying, I dont know if it would sound better in context with the rest of the album but somehow i doubt it. The only other track i have heard is Frontier Psychiatry which was in a cold cut set i have on bootleg, i have to admit that I really like the cold-cut like crasy sampling of the tune, but from what people have posted here I somehow doubt that theres anything else on the album like it.

― Nick Davidson, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Decided not to wait for the American release, and I don't regret it. This is an excellent album, no question, but from what people were saying I expected it to be a little more, er, revolutionary or something. Like a new direction in music. Not that good music need take a new direction. It kind of reminds me of The Clientele, in that The Avalanches work within an established form and do it very, very well, instead of trying something new.

The way each song flows into the next (what brilliant editing!), I'm sure it works much better as a whole. This is not a record for the Napster freaks, I don't think. So anyone who has heard a track or two and is on the fence should take the plunge.

― Mark, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

two years pass...
http://www.theavalanches.com/images/avalancheplus-tshirtclub-nataliewood1.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Catching Dexter, the Avalanches DJ, in a few weeks, he's supposed to cut it up real well live and has received huge props from Public Enemy's Chuck D. Grandmaster Flash called him the most creative and original DJ in the world. Oh and he's Australian

― mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:10 (twenty-three years ago)

your point?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:17 (twenty-three years ago)

the most creative and original DJ in the world is Australian!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:20 (twenty-three years ago)

What is that beautiful image, Spencer?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:35 (twenty-three years ago)

My point about what?

That luminarioes say he's great? well that just shows I'm a shallow person influenced by what other people say rather than what I hear.

That he's Australian? that my shallowness extends to the lowest most destructive emotion, patriotism,

That I am seeing him live in few weeks? that my general shallowness inevitably leads to the conclusion that I will have to see him live in the next few weeks (along with the Mad Professor).

Bring it on

― mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:00 (twenty-three years ago)

where did grandmaster flash call him the most original and creative dj in the world?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I've seen it quoted many places around the web. Try a search in google ["grandmaster flash" dexter avalanches] and you'll find many references to what Grandmaster Flash (and Chuck D) have said about him.

― mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 03:03 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, I'm finding alot of references to him saying it but I haven't actually found the place (or context) he said it. has anyone under 40 said it?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I just did :)

― mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 04:10 (twenty-three years ago)

What is that beautiful image, Spencer?

That's from a t-shirt they sell on their website.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 04:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I love that white Stepford-Cat!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 07:13 (twenty-three years ago)

What's the deal with the Avalanches these days? So much love back in early 2001, then they seemed to disappear without trace almost as quickly as they appeared.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 08:15 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm under 40, and i'll say it too.

their supposed to be working on the new record now. who knows when it'll see the light of day. i doubt it would be before late 2004.

― glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 10:10 (twenty-three years ago)

people over 40 = not allowed to like or talk about good music, donchaknow...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 10:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm on board!

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 14 May 2026 23:14 (five months ago)

why is this song so awesome

― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 19 May 2026 09:06 (five months ago)

Saw this thread was updated and said to myself "if anyone in there doesn't like 'Together' then they can kick rocks", glad we're in the clear

― really looking forward to wearily scrolling past all your posts (Champiness), Tuesday, 19 May 2026 20:19 (five months ago)

it just occurred to me that I never actually listened to to their 2020 album, so I'm doing that now and it's excellent. sounds like a really good Gorillaz album to me, they've got Four Tet's ear for very pleasant sounds. wish I'd gotten into it during the pandemic.

― frogbs, Tuesday, 26 May 2026 04:15 (four months ago)

I am curious though about all the guest spots, are they actually giving them parts to perform or is it a case of them just going "give us something" and figuring out what to do with it later? In other words did they ask Kurt Vile to do that or did he just come up with it on his own?

― frogbs, Tuesday, 26 May 2026 14:10 (four months ago)

Nearly all of the guests* have writing credits. They were all sought out for bringing their own voice to a piece in progress: if a request didn’t pan out, that song got scrapped. Ppl got sent an explanation of the themes of the album to prompt what they wrote/played/sang.

Here’s Vile specifically:

avalanches are one of my fave bands doing it today their recordings put me in a trance

loved doing that they sent me the backtrack when I was pretty delirious on tour in Europe in 2019 and all the words came out pretty quick...

just fried and trying to stay spiritual but there was a lot of stuff that Robbie emailed me ... vibe text to go on ... that influenced me

we were on the same wavelength or something

loved the way the recording came out was surprised to hear Wayne coyne pop in at the end but that was cool (the main difference)

can't wait to work with them again, true modern inspirations


*Mick Jones doesn’t get writing for his BAD-style countermelody BVs, but he wasn’t asked to be on the record, just happened to be in the studio with Cola Boyy at the time. In fact, you might say that his presence on the record was… a Big Audio Mistake!!

― uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Tuesday, 26 May 2026 19:03 (four months ago)

ya that makes sense - the Cornelius bit for instance I'm sure they just asked "hey give us one of those moody guitar pieces you do". a lot of other guest spots though might as well be anyone, they don't really make sense unless they were just soliciting stuff from anyone whose business card they had. iirc Mouse on Mars' 2016 album Dimensional People was made this way, it's quite a bit wackier though

― frogbs, Tuesday, 26 May 2026 19:21 (four months ago)

I know with quite a few of the collaborations on the album, they recorded with the artist present in a studio, and Cornelius was one of those, as they were sharing a bunch of stuff in their Instagram stories at the time.

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 26 May 2026 21:42 (four months ago)

xp not sure if Mick Jones would have gotten a writing credit even if he had been invited, as I recall his contribution was the line "we go on fighting with each other" which is a paraphrase of "we go on hurting each other", written by Geld and Udell.

― henry s, Tuesday, 26 May 2026 22:01 (four months ago)

I mean that’s why I specified the distinctly Jonesian melodic bits behind the verses, not the refrain. But it was only a set-up for the joke reference to a classic ILMeme.

― uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Tuesday, 26 May 2026 23:04 (four months ago)

a lot of other guest spots though might as well be anyone

idk the fact they do fit so well with the tracks/album makes their claim about matching music to artist v believable

they don't really make sense unless they were just soliciting stuff from anyone whose business card they had

the Avs manager got in touch at one point to ask “have you done a song with Tricky??” bcz they’d received an angry communiqué from Tricky’s manager. Robbie had organised it all by DMing Tricky on instagram.

― uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Tuesday, 26 May 2026 23:09 (four months ago)

The band talking about "Running Red Lights:"

“didn’t start out as a defining moment; ‘a single’ as it were. But Rivers responded to our fuzzed out Spacemen 3 inspired jam with such open heartedness, that we soon dropped all pretense and got down to the heart of the matter… loss. We love that wide eyed, elated, almost evangelical Los Angeles sense of possibility that he tapped into. He captures that feeling that comes on the other side of the abyss, when you have lost everything and know then, there is nothing more to lose. The way life is so beautiful and overwhelming and heartbreaking all at the same time."

Love how they dedicated the song to David Berman and used some lyrics from a Purple Mountains track in the song.

― nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 27 May 2026 01:18 (four months ago)

There was a snippet of what is likely to be "Every Single Weekend" with Jamie XX in a story on Instagram (that I don't see anymore) that sounded amazing.

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 28 May 2026 21:45 (four months ago)

says it will be out on June 1

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 28 May 2026 21:45 (four months ago)

a long snippet was on Jamie’s album last year

― uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Thursday, 28 May 2026 22:48 (four months ago)

here's the clip I was referring to: https://www.tiktok.com/@theavalanches/video/7645021726660644104

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 28 May 2026 23:53 (four months ago)

as a big fan of late disco/italo and bossa nova/tropicalia it is fun to spot the main samples in “every single weekend”. It is certainly the best bits of Gilberto’s Gil “axe baba” and the backing track of All Trouveè’s “Darling”, although I’d argue that “Barely Breaking Even” is such a disco classic in its own right that it is a little distracting. I do like the “children’s choir” take on the vocal hook though. The legacy of baby’s gang and “stand on the word” continues…

― Michael F Gill, Monday, 8 June 2026 18:15 (four months ago)

one month passes...

New Album announced: No Bad Memories

Our new album 'No Bad Memories' is available to pre-order now.
Built from the memories, machines, jingles and sounds that shaped us.

Go ahead - chase a dream! 📼 16.10.https://t.co/FzLqejEWxW pic.twitter.com/QUtnScGX0K

— The Avalanches (@TheAvalanches) August 6, 2026

― djmartian, Thursday, 6 August 2026 19:31 (two months ago)

Awesome. Personally I think all 3 of their albums are fantastic and I'm sure this will be as well. Very curious to hear where they go with this theme. and who the guests are

― frogbs, Thursday, 6 August 2026 19:54 (two months ago)

31 tracks apparently!

― scanner darkly, Thursday, 6 August 2026 21:08 (two months ago)

guessing half of them will be like 20 seconds long, though I am intrigued by the idea of a 2 hour Avalanches album

― frogbs, Thursday, 6 August 2026 21:34 (two months ago)

Ah, this is just the best news. I'm with frogbs as I love all three of their albums.

Electricity came up on a playlist in the car last month and my five year old said, "I love this song". Later I showed her the videos for Since I Left You, Because I'm Me and Frontier Psychiatrist and she was hooked. Just keeps randomly saying, "you're a nut, you're crazy in the coconut" and "this boy needs therapy" around the house. Makes me so happy every time.

― kitchen person, Friday, 7 August 2026 01:42 (two months ago)

10/16 sounds so much better than "might take a couple years to clear the samples!" Soon enough to be as happy as a five-year-old!

― nicky lo-fi, Friday, 7 August 2026 13:00 (two months ago)

It fell to a TV tuned to Rage just now to show me this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4rlDzJshXY

― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 8 August 2026 00:02 (two months ago)

So I love all their post SILY work *but* I would kill for versions of the albums without the featured guest vocals - or maybe versions where the guest vocals are shortened, fading in and out of the mix. Some of them are great on their own, but they often overstay their welcome and are treated too reverently. That said, I like the full vocals on these new ones.

― Spencer Chow, Sunday, 9 August 2026 23:44 (two months ago)

I fear I've reached the point where tracking down the sample sources (The Famous Five! Wilson Williams! etc) is more than half the fun. (That's been a major side-game ever since I was a tween but I guess I mean the Avalanches' concoctions don't often feel like freaky more-than-the-sum-of-their-parts alchemy these days.)

― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 10 August 2026 04:22 (two months ago)

yeah i don’t find “Blue shadows” anywhere as good as the italo/balearic classic “shadows from nowhere” by blue gas, but I guess knowing the sample sort of ruins the fun.

― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 11 August 2026 16:38 (two months ago)

two weeks pass...

avalanche rock get avalanche rock get avalanche rock get!

1. Track 1 - 00:41
Composers: Isao Tomita

2. "Together" - 03:18
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Jessy Lanza - Niketh Nair - Henry Prentiss Furr - Keith Hopwood - Malcolm Rowe

3. Track 3 - 00:18
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres

4. Track 4 - 01:37
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Lydia Kitto - Joshua Lloyd-Watson - Gilbert Moorer

5. "Every Single Weekend" - 02:10
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Jamie Smith - Leroy Burgess - James J. Calloway - Sonny Davenport - Gilberto Gil - M. Levy - M. Casartelli

6. Track 6 - 00:27
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres

7. "Blue Shadows" - 02:40
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Karen O - Celso Valli - Antonino Cocco - Hugo Vereker

8. Track 8 - 00:25
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres

9. Track 9 - 01:36
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Khadija Al Hanafi

10. Track 10 - 03:08
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Rivers Cuomo - Joseph Thornalley - Nathan Jean Demonii Bismuth - B. De Aquino - Jackie De Shannon - Jack Nitzsche

11. Track 11 - 00:32
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Erik Wiegand - Lynn DeFino - Roxanna Ward

12. Track 12 - 02:11
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Erick Elliott - Paulo Jerónimo - Jorge Washington

13. Track 13 - 00:27
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Khadija Al Hanafi - James Burke

14. Track 14 - 00:43
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Ryoji Ikeda - Khadija Al Hanafi

15. Track 15 - 02:37
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Khadija Al Hanafi - John Glacier - Doug Firebaugh

16. Track 16 - 01:02
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres

17. "Can't Get Over Losing You" - 02:49
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Tracy Geneviève Amare - Wilson Williams

18. Track 18 - 00:40
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Khadija Al Hanafi

19. Track 19 - 02:23
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Noah Lennox - Vini Reilly

20. Track 20 - 00:39
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres

21. Track 21 - 01:23
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Bill Jacocks

22. Track 22 ["SUV Heaven"] - 00:27
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Khadija Al Hanafi - Karen Manno - Jeff Franzel - Jonathan Rosen

23. Track 23 - 01:59
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Carly Simon

24. Track 24 - 00:19
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Ryoji Ikeda - Tracy Geneviève Amare

25. Track 25 - 02:25
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Joshua Mainnie - Jerome Lenoir

26. Track 26 - 00:34
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Mike Patton

27. Track 27 - 01:54
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Jim Spencer - Ed Tossing

28. Track 28 - 03:26
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Joshua Mainnie - Matthew James Aitken - Peter Alan Waterman - Mike Stock

29. Track 29 - 03:44
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Mike Patton

30. Track 30 - 03:18
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Lydia Kitto - Joshua Lloyd-Watson - Gilbert Moorer

31. Track 31 - 02:14
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Haruomi Hosono - Johnny Mercer

TOTAL = 52 minutes 6 seconds

― nicky lo-fi, Friday, 28 August 2026 13:41 (one month ago)

31. Track 31 - 02:14
Composers: Robert Chater - Anthony Di Blasi - Andrew Szekeres - Haruomi Hosono - Johnny Mercer

hell yes

― frogbs, Friday, 28 August 2026 13:46 (one month ago)

and the fact that it's shorter than the last two makes me anticipate it more. I thought We Will Always Love You was fantastic but it just takes so long to get going.

― frogbs, Friday, 28 August 2026 19:11 (one month ago)

Ha please tell me Track 28 samples 'Roadblock'

― nashwan, Friday, 28 August 2026 22:48 (one month ago)

TWO Ryoji Ikeda co-writes? what an unexpected contribution

― brimstead, Friday, 28 August 2026 22:50 (one month ago)

I was pretty excited by that but look at the track times lol

― frogbs, Friday, 28 August 2026 23:04 (one month ago)

Andy Juggernorks credits = first time the Avs have made two records in a row with the same lineup since 1999?

― uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Saturday, 29 August 2026 06:40 (one month ago)

I was pretty excited by that but look at the track times lol

Wildflower II...for better or not I'm guessing it just flows seamlessly in much the same way as that

― nashwan, Saturday, 29 August 2026 15:14 (one month ago)

one month passes...

I'm pretty stoked for the record. their music always feels like such a celebration of humanity, to the point where I don't even mind when Rivers Cuomo shows up. yeah I hate that guy, but I don't *actually* hate him. curious how the album's concept is reflected in the sound

― frogbs, Wednesday, 14 October 2026 03:52 (one week ago)

Incredible record. Easily my favorite of the post-SILY albums.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 16 October 2026 07:08 (one week ago)

v nice
reminds me of dream sequins

― nxd, Friday, 16 October 2026 09:57 (one week ago)

I enjoyed the final third (?) more I dared expect to. That more effortlessly dreamy/floaty sequence. Really not sure what they were aiming for with most of those sub-1-minute interludes, however.

― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 16 October 2026 10:49 (one week ago)

more than I dared

― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 16 October 2026 10:50 (one week ago)

get to celebrate the Brewers going to the World Series with a new Avalanches album! can you feel it!? I think after a couple listens I'll delete some of those advert interludes. Then maybe after 20 more listens a fun geek out would be to construct a 120-minute playlist interweaving tracks from all 4 albums!

― nicky lo-fi, Friday, 16 October 2026 14:16 (one week ago)

Even though I've enjoyed all their albums a lot, I loved this album way more than I was expecting to.

― kitchen person, Friday, 16 October 2026 14:25 (one week ago)

to the point where I don't even mind when Rivers Cuomo shows up

Feel this, I think he should only be able to exist in the Avalanches universe. Surprisingly like his track more than both the Panda Bear feature and the Karen O one (she's like chewing on styrofoam for me and the sample is really obvious by their standards I think)

― Deverly (Bangelo), Friday, 16 October 2026 20:22 (one week ago)

But obviously this rules and feels like an absolute gift

― Deverly (Bangelo), Friday, 16 October 2026 20:23 (one week ago)

my store hasn't got it in yet but the Dream Sequins comparison is really intriguing...also hearing a lot of Magic Oneohtrix Point Never which is cool, I can see Avalanches pulling off that concept way better

― frogbs, Friday, 16 October 2026 20:24 (one week ago)

I don't have any problem with the Karen O and Rivers Cuomo songs because they are both singing in a style that suits the music rather than leaning into their personal shticks.

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Friday, 16 October 2026 21:07 (one week ago)

i doubt The Avalanches will ever make an album that will produce anything close to the exhilaration i felt when i heard SILY for the first time, but this gets close in places.

― scanner darkly, Saturday, 17 October 2026 01:08 (six days ago)

also, on a personal sentimental note.. i introduced my husband to The Avalanches when Wildflower was released (explaining the significance of them releasing a _second_ album), he unexpectedly became a huge fan, and each album release is now a very special thing in this household.

he just texted me he was listening to SILO on a drive <3

― scanner darkly, Saturday, 17 October 2026 01:14 (six days ago)

:)

I did a 100km non-stop hike and chanced upon someone playing SILO from their backpack (that late trippy passage with the majestic strings etc, I think) at about the 90 km mark, in a dark forest, at maybe 5 AM. If I didn't openly weep, I must have been close. Thankfully sunrise was not yet upon us so I was spared any assumptions that I'd been overcome by blisters/exhaustion alone lol.

― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 17 October 2026 02:51 (six days ago)

Wildflower was what made me a fan. I never really got why people loved SILY so much but I listened to this because it was a big deal, thought it would allow me to go "see, I knew they were overrated" (I was a bit of a punk) but instead I really loved it, even Frankie Sinatra which everyone seemed to hate was so much fun. of course I later went back to SILY and was like, okay, this is actually pretty great...idk what they were doing just wasn't clicking. still think Wildflower is the better album though

― frogbs, Saturday, 17 October 2026 05:43 (six days ago)


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