If Neily Young is "Godfather of Grunge, and Mould is the "Godfather of Emo," and Lemmy is the "Godfather of Grunge", pray tell....who is the "Godfather of Goth"?

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Roy Orbison? Leonard Cohen? Johnny Cash? Ozzy Osbourne?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 November 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Apologies to the estimable Mr.Young for calling him "Neily".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 November 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Dammit...that shoulda been Lemmy as "Godfather of Grebo".

I'm bloody drunk and at the computer again.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 November 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

screaming jay hawkins

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Monday, 10 November 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Nico as godmother.

― tod (tod), Monday, 10 November 2003 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Leadbelly

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 10 November 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Lord Byron?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

leonard cohen

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Cohen so isn't gothy. He wears suits!

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Mind you, so did Byron, but they were.. puffy.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.indiana.edu/~smithcj/hawki.gif

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps Alice Cooper

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 10 November 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Ian Curtis has got to be the Godfather of something. Just look at 'im!

http://1.im.cz/img_novinky/curtis.gif

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure he has rejected the Devil and all his works.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Bach

― tod (tod), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Marilyn Manson

― tod (tod), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Theda Bara

― Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

N. OTM.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 10 November 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Peter Murphy. Or Bryan Ferry.

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Edgar Allan Poe... duh

― Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Bowie.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

screaming jay hawkins
Pablo Cruise wins.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually it should be a Holy Trinity

God = Edgar Allan Poe
Son = Roy Orbison
Holy Ghost = Mad Bob

John the Baptist = Ian Curtis
Judas = Valor

but that leaves...
Caesar = ???
Herod = ???
The Other Twelve Apostles = ???

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Caesar = Phil Spector

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

ah.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin Hannett fits...where...exactly?

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't read the bible or whatever, but where does Lou Reed fit in?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Lou Reed = Moses

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Must be either Leonard Cohen or Jim Morrison.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Orbison!

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Bela Lugosi

― Jeremy (Jeremy), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

or Anton LaVey

― Jeremy (Jeremy), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Bloodrock

― dylan (dylan), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Machiavelli.

Ian Astbury must be one of the 12 apostles, surely?

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 10 November 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/mistress.jpg

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 10 November 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Hildegard von Bingen

― tod (tod), Monday, 10 November 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Peter Murphey?

― Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Monday, 10 November 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, little late on the ole Pete comment. My bad. I would like to replace my suggestion with Peter Frampton.

― Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Monday, 10 November 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Bowie seconded. Murphy couldn't exist without him. And Nico definitely.

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Monday, 10 November 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Scott Walker!

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously guys, Pablo Cruise wins.

― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd def go for johnny cash.

― dog latin, Monday, 10 November 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Sara Teasdale

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 10 November 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Real live goths I have known said Bowie. I thought they were crazy, but it seemed a popular opinion. I always thought Peter Gabriel's 70's costumes got quite gothy at some points. Moreso than Bowie anyway. The problem with PG is that he's always been too heterosexual for his own good. Goths love being all mysterious and shit.

― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

nick cave

― kafs, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ennio Morricone.

Wayne Hussey would be Brian.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Dracula OwnZoR!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Carlo Gesualdo?
Shadow Morton?

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

rocky erikson

― kephm, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm surprised no one suggested Robert Smith (of the Cure)?

― L Tremblay, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Look what I found, thus proving who the true inventors of goth image were(if only for a minute):
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000046PUD.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm surprised no one suggested Robert Smith (of the Cure)?
The Cure is more accurately The Symptom.
They are the destination, we're looking for the point of departure (and possibly the bus schedule and the route.)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess the same thing (being the "destination" rather than the "point of departure") goes for Nick Cave too.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The Count from Sesame Street.

― Keith Watson (kmw), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Having been a goth of some persuasion m'self in times past I'd say either Bowie or Cash.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'm surprised no one suggested Robert Smith (of the Cure)?"

I thought Mad Bob as the Holy Ghost was him?

If Nico is the Godmother, what is Siouxsie, Mother Superior?

― Seb, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Conrad Veidt.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cure is more accurately The Symptom to of-the-moment bands like The Rapture and Killing Joke ...

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Guys, it's Stevie Nicks. Think about what she contributes to the chemistry of Fleetwood Mac, consider her songs from Tusk, her aura, all that...

― Clarke B. (stolenbus), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cure is more accurately The Symptom to of-the-moment bands like The Rapture and Killing Joke ...
To save Alex in NYC the trouble:
According to Alex in NYC Killing Joke isn't Goth.
(I don't agree with that assessment, I'm just repeating it for the official record.)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Udo Kier

― Ian Grey (Ian_G), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoever it was who did "(Come Join Me Baby in My) Endless Sleep."

― Melmoth the Wanderer (Methuselah), Thursday, 13 November 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Killing Joke isn't Goth.

A hair I've no interest in splitting. (I could go either way, sorta, but the basic problem is goth'd benefit a lot more by the association than Killing Joke.) Funny, though, how you can connect Herr Veidt to them as well as the Bowie-Murphy-Eldritch-Kier family--albeit as in The Man Who Laughs rather than Caligari. (The connection is spurious-by-way-of-Batman, but still.)

But never mind all that, it just hit me: as far as the main question goes, don't some point to the Damned?

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Thursday, 13 November 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

http://members.aol.com/Tabarez/image200.gif http://members.aol.com/CVSociety/veidt.gif

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Thursday, 13 November 2003 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

aleister crowley

― k (blue), Thursday, 13 November 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, 'funny' to Brian, maybe ... we apologize for the overdense self-indulgence.

― jackson anderville, Thursday, 13 November 2003 06:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Veidt ->Kier->Bowie->Murphy->Eldritch->Tim Burton

― Ian Grey (Ian_G), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.genewilder.org/photos/ww/ww_gobstopper2.jpg

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Thursday, 13 November 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahahahahaha. Best candidate so far.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 November 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Just hum the boat tunnel song to yourself (and not Marilyn Manson's version either).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 November 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

...and Glam begat Goth...

If Bowie qualifies as Goth then he's trumped by Eno and/or Roxy Music.

For general spookiness i'll suggest VU or 60's-era Floyd but for the modern era, it's gotta be Bauhaus -- and, i'll third Nico as godmother.

...or we could try Schubert's Death and the Maiden

― christoff (christoff), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Most every tortured and wan soul who ever dipped his throat into the murk of goth did so with Bowie on his/her mind.

― Ian Grey (Ian_G), Thursday, 13 November 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

speaking of Goth history...
I stumbled across a CD called Gothic Rock 2: 80s into the 90s
Beneath the title (in tiny Flyspeck size font it sez "A Companion Album to the Book by Mick Mercer")
Who is Mick Mercer? What is this book of which they speak? And is it still in print in the US?

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 13 November 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: The subject. Are you claiming that Nelly was the Godfather of grunge, or am I just interpreting your typo a bit too creatively? :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 November 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I'm hearing a cover of "Country Grammar" with pompous synths set to "pipe organ" and sampled sounds of wolves howling.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Dr Caligari?
http://www.amrep.org/images/caligari/caligari.jpg

Godmother maybe? Irma Vep!
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pserve/Vampires_Musidora8.JPG

― daria g (daria g), Friday, 14 November 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.mickmercer.com/

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 14 November 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

better yet,

http://www.cinnabarswan.com/thedafox.jpg

Theda Bara!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 14 November 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(godMOTHER, that wd be)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 14 November 2003 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

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