"13" by Blur- C or D?

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When it came out in 1999 it was one of my fave albums ever. Of course back then I was a sad bastard and also hadn't listened to that much post-70's music...over the years I've come to suspect that I've overrated it immensley, but am too scared to listen again & see if this is true... "Think Tank" didn't help, obv.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like it. A bit of a mess though.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Well put. Not every track works, and most of 'em are just too f'ing long, but "Coffee and TV" makes up for so much.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep this record for Tender and Coffee & TV and that's it. They're really the only Blur songs I absolutely love. I don't think I could tell you what the rest of the album sounds like though.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"No Distance Left to Run" was great, I thought. I remember some previous ILM thread giving me the impression I was the only one

Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Also there was a lot of crap on it and I haven't listened to it in years

Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

agreed with everyone. it's certainly got something great about it, but it doesn't all work. some of the tracks (Trimm Trabb, Battle, Coffee & TV) were just dandy, but 1992, Trailerpark etc were pretty shite.

dog latin, Monday, 10 November 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

this has that blur song I like on it!

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

the one from cruel intentions

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i loved it when i first heard it and i still do. i love the damon-ized gospel of tender (sure it's a whiny british guy singing instead of a soulful black woman, but the song still kicks ass). Bugman's fuzz bass is rivaled by few others in sheer driving force. Coffee and TV is just one of the best damn melodies ever. Swamp song, i could do without. 1992-just fucking beautiful. BLUREMI is totally blur's "my iron lung" but a hell of a lot cheekier (which is what songs in that vein should strive for). Battle just kind of floats you out their for while, with hints of Syd's melodies making you wonder if you're the one who had too many bad trips. mellow song through trimm trabb are pretty forgetable, but then no distance left to run comes on and reminds you of why you like this band so much. and of course, what else could really close out an album like that other than some nice decaying optigan. so yeah, classic. kicks think tank's ass 5 ways to kalamazoo.

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

its great. caramel. fanbloodytastic.

their best record.

gallantseagull, Monday, 10 November 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

A dud by Blur's standards, definitely.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 November 2003 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"Coffee and T.V." = Best video ever.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 10 November 2003 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i liked it when i first heard it, but went off it very quickly. probably their worst record, except for "leisure", maybe.

the arrangements are the real problem. They're far too showy, way too much going on in each track. blur don't have the lightness of touch to make textural music (although the better moments on think tank suggest they might be developing it - graham's departure may have helped). They're best off writing colourful, quirky pop. Pretty moments - like the start of "Mellow Song" - are smothered and not properly developed. supposed classic blur singles "tender" and "coffee and tv" are poor - none of the playfulness of the britpop heyday.

"no distance left to run" is the only great moment..."caramel" is nice, too.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Best blur album without a doubt. Also, the only blur album that can't be reduced to a collection of singles. It's druggy, dreamy, and best heard/discussed as a whole.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

That's just what they want you to think. You've been had!

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"13" is Blur's worst record. "Coffee & TV" is great though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

At the time, I considered this my album of the year for 1999. It has fallen a bit since then, only in the top 10 now.

I still think it has quite a tremendous middle section (1992 -> BLUREMI -> Battle -> Caramel -> Trailerpark), although "1992" can't compare to "Sing," "BLUREMI" can't compared to "Bank Holiday," etc.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"Bank Holiday" is the with no compeetition the very worst track on "Parklife"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly don't think there is a bad track on Parklife. I used to hate "London Loves" and "Trouble In The Message Centre" when I first heard it but I rediscovered them much later and now i really like them. I guess my least fave on there is "Girls & Boys" but I don't think it's bad.

dog latin, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly don't think there is a bad track on Parklife.

There is. Just one though. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...
I'm sorry, I just have to get this off my chest. I'm so glad there are (were) some like-minded people who agreed that "13" is in fact their best record. I mean, it was Blur's attempt at the whole Radiohead thing, I guess, but they pulled it off flawlessly, and it's such a massively underrated gem and I don't get why everyone hates it so much. I mean, "Battle" is worth scads of praise alone, not to mention "Trimm Trabb" and "Trailerpark" and "Swamp Song" and "Coffee & TV", etc. Does anyone else enjoy it half as much as I do?

Stevie D, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

It's 50% great, 25% "yeah i see what you're getting at" and 25% utter driv.

the next grozart, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

production and sonics are amazing. tender and no distance left to run (thats on this isnt it?) are both just horrible though. i liked bugman and coffee and TV a lot.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

i think this might be their best album too but i havent heard it since it came out. i liked a lot of it then.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

Oh come on! Parklife is their best, stop being silly.

the next grozart, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

Don't be silly! Parklife isn't even their best of the Britpop era - that would be Modern Life Is Rubbish.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

I always thought this was Blur's attempt to record the second side of For Your Pleasure meself.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

'blur' and the live tour just after was their peak i think.
just before/during the recording of '13'.

some back-up for this argument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3o5YyGzMG0

pisces, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

But Parklife hasn't got any bad songs on it. MLIR is good, but it's not as classic.

the next grozart, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Don't be silly! Parklife isn't even their best of the Britpop era - that would be Modern Life Is Rubbish.

...is the right answer.

13 is a great album, although admittedly it's been a while since i heard it. it also marked the birth of many enduring and valuable friendships for me, so Classic it must be.

CharlieNo4, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

parklife has about 7 or 8 absolute pearlers.

it's the best of theirs, i'd say, by some way

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I was lucky enough to hear this again recently by accident, at a friend's house. I still say it was their masterpiece, flawed as it is. I know Parklife is a formidable foe, but something about 13 satisfies me in a modern way, at times I think they were way ahead of their time with this one. What's that song where the drums echo a lot and draw you into their own universe?

BATTLE, INNIT?

Bimble, Saturday, 19 May 2007 07:22 (eighteen years ago)

I mean some might say even New Order and Giorgio Moroder should get out of the way for that song...but *ssssshhhh*

Bimble, Saturday, 19 May 2007 07:24 (eighteen years ago)

Look I really do have coherent things to post on other threads, but this album won't let me.

TRIMM TRABB IS UP NEXT!!! CHRIST ALMIGHTY GOD.

Bimble, Saturday, 19 May 2007 07:46 (eighteen years ago)

bimble OTM, it's one of the finest albums of the 90's. Standouts: Bugman, 1992, Battle, Caramel, Trimm Trabb, but I actually like every single song. Even BLUREMI's grown on me.

Just got offed, Saturday, 19 May 2007 09:20 (eighteen years ago)

It was in Pitchfork's original '100 best of 90's' list, but when they came around to revision it was cruelly excised... :(

Just got offed, Saturday, 19 May 2007 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

There are times when even Can would cower...
But all the naive Blur fans who don't know things like Can are just out in the cold aren't they?

They can have their Gorillaz.

Bimble, Saturday, 19 May 2007 09:36 (eighteen years ago)

"13" was wrong, wrong and nothing but wrong. Not that their most recent effort was particularly good either, but...

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 19 May 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

Today, in reality, the good old Blur have changed their name and the new name is Kaiser Chiefs. They represent what Blur should have been.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 19 May 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

Dud. This was the first Blur album I really disliked. Some good tracks (Tender, Coffee, Trimm Trabb), but most of it sounds like Albarn and Coxon out-do each other in pretension.

Duane Barry, Saturday, 19 May 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

geir, how old are you? the only people i know who repeat the same bullshit statements over and over are about 80 years old. it's called alzheimer, you know. or maybe you don't believe the crap you post yourself and you try to convince yourself. i doubt you'll ever persuade anyone else here...

btw i used to love 13 when it came out. it seemed so huge. like a 70s concept album or something. have to listen to it again. and to modern life is rubbish as well. there is a kind of englishness to it i adore. all other blur albums except the first one i'd rather never listen to again.

alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 19 May 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

Coffee and TV, Trimm Trabb, Caramel, Mellow Song, Battle. The rest was horrible amusical cloying shite.

the next grozart, Saturday, 19 May 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

Music Is My Radar seemed to do it better than half the tracks on 13, I feel. I like it, but I'm not blown away. C&TV always annoyed me.

Scik Mouthy, Saturday, 19 May 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

"Coffee & TV" was the last great Blur song. It wouldn't even have been among the highlights on "The Great Escape" though.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 19 May 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

Today, in reality, the good old Blur have changed their name and the new name is Kaiser Chiefs. They represent what Blur should have been.

-- Geir Hongro, Saturday, 19 May 2007 12:15 (6 hours ago) Link

EWWWWWWW!
wrong.

funny farm, Saturday, 19 May 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

:(

oh geir

Just got offed, Saturday, 19 May 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

where is hueg jagger post about this

and what, Saturday, 19 May 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

Coffee & TV always annoyed me, too, actually. I've never understood why so many like that one. It's simplistic to the point of being banal.

Bimble, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

I kind of like it within the album, as a brief break from the weirdness, but wouldn't have picked it as a stand-alone hilight. Cute video, though!

dlp9001, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

fuck me when the guitars build and build throughout '1992' and then Albarn starts singing falsetto, that, my friends, is brilliance.

Just got offed, Saturday, 19 May 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

There is nothing brilliant on "13" other than the chorus of "Coffee & TV", which almost sounds like the good, old mid 90s Blur.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 20 May 2007 00:03 (eighteen years ago)

Coffee & TV is pretty much the only Blur song I like. It's all in the "We could start over again".

Alba, Sunday, 20 May 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)

They have never written a better song than "Country House". Sadly, their own unjustified hatred against that song is the reason why most of what they have made afterwards has been so disappointing.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 20 May 2007 02:07 (eighteen years ago)

Bumper sticker: Do Not Rebel Against The Country House!

Mark E. Smith would approve.

Bimble, Sunday, 20 May 2007 02:20 (eighteen years ago)

tender and coffee and tv are great, I don't remember a thing about the rest.

akm, Sunday, 20 May 2007 04:13 (eighteen years ago)

So typical, try Can.

Bimble, Sunday, 20 May 2007 04:23 (eighteen years ago)

"Caramel" got me through a recent tough patch well, I really love that song.

Trayce, Sunday, 20 May 2007 06:44 (eighteen years ago)

jagger to thread

Charlie Howard, Sunday, 20 May 2007 07:02 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, where is that rascal hiding

Just got offed, Sunday, 20 May 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

Hahahah!

Bimble, Sunday, 20 May 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)


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