Recent "Mainstream" Jazz Releases S/D

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Through Wire and AMG and ILM and Mr. Freeman's book, I have a fair idea of what recent avant music I want to hear, but I am curious about albums and artists that are relatively more "straightahead" without necessarily being reactionary. I am curious about artists like Jason Moran, Brian Blade, Tim Hagans, the new Nicholas Payton album, and some of the more recent releases by M-Base alumni. Here is also where I admit that I heard Footsteps of our Fathers by Branford Marsalis and liked it. I am also curious about more recent ECM discs by Jarrett and Charles Lloyd.

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Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The Jason Moran album, though not his best, is worth your while. As perhaps you've heard, it includes a couple of interesting compositions/improvisations built around taped voices, such as an answering-machine message, and elderly members of the Moran family heard looking through photo albums. The former has a kind of Steve Reich-meets-Horace Tapscott feel, while the latter is quite pretty. Several other fine tracks as well. My biggest complaint is with Tarus Mateen's acoustic-electic bass sound, which I find thin.

Matt Wilson's "Humidity" is still finding favor with me, though I have some problems with it as well. Compositionally, I'd say it's the strongest I've heard this year. Wilson also drums on the latest Ted Nash album (mainstream post-bop), which isn't the most memorable thing he's done, but has its moments, including a couple of rather inspired solos from (yes) Wynton Marsalis.

Several other 2003 jazz releases that I've liked, but I don't want to ramble, and you've probably heard them. (Dave Douglas's "Freak In," for example, is proving to be more durable than I initially expected).

dylan (dylan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I was kind of disappointed with the Jason Moran album, especially after having LOVED Black Stars. It struck me as overly busy, and I appreciated the taped voice tracks more than actually enjoyed them (the Turkish phone conversation one anyway, I liked the pretty one), but I haven't given it very much time. Dylan OTM about the bass sound as well.

Brian Blade's last album (which was a few years ago by now, right?) is GREAT. It's like folk-jazz at times, but with long, through-composed tunes and super lush, pretty melodies.

The new Nick Payton starts off amazing, but I can't listen to it all the way through. It gets kind of samey and token-experimental in the second half, but the 'Fela' tracks and Cannabis Leaf Rag and a few others are ace. It's better than I thought it would be for his "electric" record.

I still haven't heard Freak In, but I went back to Dave Douglas's "The Infinite" the other day, god that is a good album. The band seems to be really locked in on a unique way of approaching things within a totally standard quintet sound, and most of the tunes manage to be pretty and fire at the same time.

Other favorite stuff lately:

Gerald Cleaver 'Adjust' on Fresh Sound/New Talent. The 'frontline' is viola (Mat Maneri), clarinet, guitar, and electric keyboards, and it's amazing how they blend into each other's sounds.

Kurt Rosenwinkel 'Heartcore', his electric album, he plays most of the instruments himself. I hated it at first except for a couple tunes, but I'm really starting to come around on it now. I still think that he's being a little abstract/complex when he claims he wants to be direct, melodic, and beat-based (Q-Tip co-produced it for fuck's sake), but I'm feeling it more now.

Ben Perowsky 'Camp Songs' - trio w/Uri Caine interpreting Jewish summer camp songs. As good as it sounds.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, how could I forget the Dave Holland live album (and the big band album before that). Both are fantastic, the quintet is probably the best 'blowing band' around right now. The live record has got the ridiculous interplay and the big band record has the massive odd-time horn riffs.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

im still quite curious about Hagans. he had some stuff out on blue note, though i think it is all OOP. i heard him on the columbia jazz station like two or three years ago when they played one of his tracks after "many mansions" by sonny sharrock from "ask the ages" (which is OOP and i cant find dammit!!!).

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there a shorthand guide somewhere on this site? OOP?

dylan (dylan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

OOP = "out of print."

The two Tim Hagans albums to find are Animation/Imagination and Re-Animation Live! They're both fantastic.

Moran disappoints me on record. Black Stars was good, but it's been over a year since I've felt even the slightest twinge pulling me in its direction. Live, he was just okay, even with Sam Rivers there.

A semi-overlooked album from 2001 or 2002 is James Carter's Layin' In The Cut. It was released at the same time as an acoustic album, and the acoustic one got more press, but ITC is full-on electric, and really good. Longish review here.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Did the acoustic James Carter record really get more press, Phil? I liked both, maybe slightly preferred the Django tribute, but mostly saw them written up together. Any word on his new Billie Holiday tribute?

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks everyone.

i forgot also to ask about stefon harris, and also i see a lot of ECM disks at the store with european names that are not familiar to me... anyone know any of this stuff?

its too bad that Moran is not that hot (i will still try and listen to everything anyaways). i heard a lot of comparisons to Andrew hill which excited me because a) not a lot of people sound like hill and b) most of hill's records are Out Of Print anyways. (has anyone heard the new Conn disc?)

i havent heard any of Carter's music, but I was always curious about what seperated his tributes to the past from others that are maligned?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I listened to Layin' in the Cut a lot when it came out, but I haven't listened to it for years. A friend gave me a copy of Jurassic Classics that he found for a dollar in a used store, it's James Carter doing standards in an extremely flashy and overbearing way, with lots of over-the-top chops in unnecessary places. I should listen to LitC to remind me why I like him.

I didn't really like Re-animation Live! either, mostly because of the interaction between Billy Kilson and the DJ. The DJ has all these fast, pre-fab jungle beats going, and it's too busy for BK to do much else than play half-time funk stuff underneath. I would have much rather had him doing the dn'b parts and the DJ playing more a textural, in-and-out role.

Ask the Ages is GREAT. All the the themes are totally memorable, and everyone's playing is pure fire. That first track has what are probably my favorite Pharoah screams. Is it seriously out of print? It's on Laswell's label, right?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

David Ware counts as "avant" but if you liked that Marsalis album, you might be interested to hear Ware's reading of Rollins' "Freedom Suite" - I thought it was really great.

And Ron Miles deserves some serious love. Ron Miles Trio record is seriously gorgeous, and Heaven and Laughing Barrel also have some great moments.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Ask The Ages is out of print, but it's around a lot on eBay for fairly cheap. The Ware Freedom Suite is terrific, indeed. I didn't like the Marsalis disc because I think Marsalis is a very glib player.

I may be wrong about Carter's Django tribute getting more press than LITC, but that's how I remember it; I remember at least one review that was just of the one and not the other.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

glib? really? i can see that more in his other work than on the disc in question. i think my least favorite, in terms of music, of the Marsalis(-types) would actually be marcus roberts, who played one of the most bland and inhibited concerts i have ever seen.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't get that Marsalis one because of the concept (why redo masterpieces?), but I heard half of Resolution on the radio and thought 'what is this hot shit?' before recognizing it. It sounded like they were being pretty free with it, especially Tain.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Aaron,

Quibbles aside, I think Jason Moran is worth your time, and deserves much of the hype. The Andrew Hill comparisons are sometimes apt.

dylan (dylan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Getting back to the original post in this thread, the most recent Charles Lloyd thing on ECM (double-disc set) is fiercely boring. There's a thin line between elegiac and coma-inducing, and Lloyd tumbles narcoleptically right across it and never comes back.

Question: I have an old Japanese CD of Miles Davis' Dark Magus from the early 1990s. When it was reissued by Legacy a couple of years ago, was it remastered in any significant way (i.e. was some of the wall-of-mud cleared up)? I don't want to buy a new one if I don't have to, but if there is a way to hear more of the individual instruments, that'd obviously be great.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't have any trouble believing that re: the Charles Lloyd stuff. I borrowed The Water Is Wide and Hyperion With Higgins from a friend a couple of years ago...the former (more critically acclaimed, as I remember) was more on the soporific side, but the latter was much more upbeat and interesting. I really enjoyed everything I heard Billy Higgins on near the end of his life, inc. Scofield's straight-ahead album.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that last Lloyd alb is a total snooze-fest, but some of his ECM 'comeback' albs are worth yr time, I'd say (tho' they're still pretty 'mellow') - I esp. like the pair of 'The Water is Wide' and 'Hyperion for Higgins', w/ Brad Mehldau, Billy Higgins, John Abercrombie etc.

(X-Post w/ Jordan!)

I've only listened to the new Jason Moran once, but I thought the actual SOUND of it was pretty horrible (see also the new Joe Lovano live alb - who I don't much care for, anyway). I also thought the Rosenwinkle was ghastly beyond belief - like Metheny w/ new knobs on. Aaron, have you heard the Wolfgang Muthspiel trio gtr trio alb w/ Brian Blade and Marc Johnson? That's a nice rec. And the recent Pat Martino is pretty tasty too, tho' again it's more trad than the Kurt R.

Gd ECMs this year - 'Rosslyn', by the English pianist John Taylor, w/ Joey Baron and Marc Johnson again. 'Universal Syncopations' - Miroslav Vitous w/ John McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Jack DeJohnette and Jan Gabarek. That toe-tapping Dave Holland dbl live alb. The Sylvie Courvoisier alb w/ Marc Feldman and Erik Friedlander. 'Changing Places', debut piano trio rec from the Tord Gustavson Trio. The frankly barmy new Louis Sclavis alb, 'Napoli's Walls'.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just about to ask about that Pat Martino, I've heard some mixed things but it sounds like a great band.

Now that I actually figured out how to order Fresh Sound New Talent records I'm pretty interested in those...the Reid Anderson, Gerald Cleaver, and Bad Plus ones I have are just fantastic.

I also want to check out Jean Michel-Pilc, since I just realized the other day that he was the keyboard player when I saw Ari Hoenig in NYC, and he was great (and Ari Hoenig is the best).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

this is great ya'll.. keep it coming...
i myself would like to mention the new DVD that came out on blue note a week or two ago... the "night with blue note" concert... i have a couple of the tracks from it on a comp CD and both "canteloupe island" and "moanin'" are quite spectacular.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)


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