Excellent, but very sad, ODB live review

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http://www.popmatters.com/music/concerts/o/ol-dirty-bastard-031024.shtml

God, this was depressing. I remember having many of these same thoughts after going to see Shane Macgowan a couple years ago.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The link doesn't work!

― d k (d k), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Fine for me...

Yeah, and all those Hell's Angels you see at Dillinger Escape Plan shows must have been pretty threatening as well.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Christ, that is depressing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I think its an act.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, here's grist for the ILX mill from the article:

Let's face facts. As inspiring and ferocious as hip-hop can be on record, it can suck live.
Unless there's some organic musical accompaniment (the Roots), verbal do-wop
interplay amongst several players (Jurassic 5), incredible backup dancers or set design
to occupy the eye (Missy), or all-out violence, you're not in for a night to remember.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Right. None of this is news. And this is college-newspaper-level writing.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The writing is shit, but it's still sad. "Crazy" vs. Crazy, FITE!

― NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I winced at that, even though the sad truth is I've stayed home plenty of times figuring 'eh, I've already got the record.' (when I do get my lazy ass to a hip-hop show I usually have a good time though)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The description of his mentally-absent performance is pretty grim, though.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

KMFDM "Angst". If kids can like Kiss than this is even better because it's got louder angrier geetars but disco beats too, and it's not whiney and tuneless like all the other nu-metal kids are into these days. Steer him away from NINclones and bad nu metal with the original industrial rock.

― sucka (sucka), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck sorry. This si for the 10 yr old nephew thread.

― sucka (sucka), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

honestly, i think its a crock of BS. Its ODB trying to pull a fast one on you. He seemed pretty damn coherent in his VH1 special. Unless of course he is back on the crack.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I wasn't really holding this up as some kind of great example of music criticism, just that I was moved by the description of the performance (or lack thereof)

As far as this being an act, I doubt it....ODB's had a pretty documented history of troubled mental states, and before the special there was a pretty good article in Blender (I think) where they talked to him in prison around the time that The Trials and Tribulations of Russel Jones came out and he appeared to be pretty disconnected and depressed. Obviously, if you've ever known a person that had alot of mental strife they usually go back and forth between lucid, happier periods and very painful, depressed periods pretty quickly. Also, I don't know what kind of benefit this so-called "fast one" could possible have on ODB's career....seems like people want him to come out and be totally off-the-wall engergetic and crazy like the old Wu-tang days, not in a dazed stupor.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously, if you've ever known a person that had alot of mental strife they usually go back and forth between lucid, happier periods and very painful, depressed periods pretty quickly.

Yes, I do. My father is bi-polar. Anyways, who knows really. Its too bad.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Thursday, 13 November 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

My reaction: HOLY SHIT, WHO BOOKED DEP & ODB TOGETHER!?!?! That's amazing.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

That really is depressing. And not at all surprising.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess if you want a performer to be "crazy" you have to take the bad with the good.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

He's keeping it real man - don't fake the psychosis or your nose gots ta grow

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

re: My reaction: HOLY SHIT, WHO BOOKED DEP & ODB TOGETHER!?!?! That's amazing.

at the knitting factory in los angeles they were advertising a mike patton/razell(sp?) show.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Mike Patton AND Rahzel!?! *faints*

I'm hype cuz Rahzel's gonna be here in town in the next month, he puts on friggin ridiculously awesome shows!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

It may not be the mental illness, but the drugs he's using to combat it. Once he gets his dosage right -- something prison doctors are notorious for not giving a shit about -- ODB may be able to lead a considerably more sane life.

The larger issue would be the reasons he was in jail in the first place. For drug use and wearing a bullet proof jacket? It's heartbreaking.

― musicmope (musicmope), Thursday, 13 November 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

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