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from The Guide Internet section :

"Cerebral rock fans will be welcomed at I Love Music (www.ilxor.com) where questions about the best album to dance to while drunk will be answered by swarms of failed rock journalists."

― zappi (joni), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, I can name plenty of "successful" rock journalists on ILXOR, dagnabbit!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

ILM is the worst part of ilxor.com people banging on about "important" music. How incredibly boring. . .

― A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

But most of it's just lists anyway.
I apply the 'dancing about architecture' line to ILM, so lack of 'serious' discussion doesn't bother me.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

To clarify, I apply that line to art criticism in general, not just ILM.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

ILM is the worst part of ilxor.com people banging on about "important" music. How incredibly boring. . .

It's certainly no duller than the "which is better? fried or scrambled eggs?" shenanigans of ILE.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it most definitely is.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

But to each his own. Different strokes for different strokes. Whatever creams your twinkie. etc etc

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Writers who complain about ILM and music blogs being written by "failed music journalists" are without exception failed music journalists.

― Marcello Carlin, Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

eggs are so incredibly interesteing, Alex. WTF?

― A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi Guardian readers! f*ck you!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a Guardian reader and I'm fucked regularly, most recently about 20 minutes ago.

Since you asked.

― Marcello Carlin, Saturday, 15 November 2003 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I called you all 'strokes'

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

But "Strokes Thread" was ILM's big moment in the sun!

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Three long times.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

well, it's just the classic student-rage mentality of the guide, that's all. say something good, but temper it with being really smarmy. as it happens, writing for the guide or the OMM would feel like a failure, to me at present (okay, okay the OMM hasn't even responded to several of my REALLY BLOODY GOOD pitches and i'm bitter, wtf...), but in any case, i'm really enjoying writing again, now that it's no longer my main job, and that's a success as far as i'm concerened. btw, cheers for the blog link marcello...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I apply the 'dancing about architecture' line to ILM

i reckon you've been asked this before here, but of what possible good is this board to someone who thinks art shouldn't be thought or written about? (or that the art object is necessarily 'superior' to what's being said and thought about it?)

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

oops! meant "student rag" mentality!. bad spelling and the atrocious formatting may actually now qualify me to write for the OMM after all!!!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the idea of failed rock journalists going around in swarms. Like bees!

― cis (cis), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck off underline

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

― cis (cis), Saturday, 15 November 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry i am a dick!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 15 November 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

and a failure!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 15 November 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahah!

Marcello - EWWWW!!

Who is the editor for the Internet page??

― Cool Kid of Death, Saturday, 15 November 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Alexis Petridis speak at the Guardian Student Media Conerence on Wednesday, and he was complaining about blog writers being too obsessed with the minutae of genre ("arguing about the difference between folktronica and microhouse- I don't even know what microhouse is"). And he did answer any question that hinted at his failings as a music writer with "I wrote for the Muzik (or was it Mixmag?) for six years", as if that was a sign of sure quality.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

this numbnut wrote for a dance music (mixmag, incidentally) magazine, but doesn't know what microhouse is? oh, i do declare i was right about him all along...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Lest we forget his tenure at Select.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

which he managed to get closed down!!!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

what is microhouse, anyways? is it tom waits?

― cool kid, Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like a Wendy House for Polly Pocket.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and why should i care to have this knowledge?

― cool kid, Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

You can keep it in your cunt, Doomie.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

yer momma is already full-up nick with embrace knowledge!

― cool kid, Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

You're my mum?! Heavens.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

my god this is really happening. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD.

― cool kid, Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

No such thing as 'real'.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

And yeah, that successful Guardian journalist sure knows how to use the passive voice to make his sentences crisp and lively.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 15 November 2003 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

change the records

― athos magnani (Cozen), Saturday, 15 November 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

the guardian doesn't know what gangsta is.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 15 November 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure Simon Hoggart could write a hysterical column on it, though.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 15 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not British, so every so often when I see "The Guardian" it reads like the name of some sort of bizarre right-wing Christian Identity paper.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 15 November 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i always think of the san francisco alt-weekly

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 15 November 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I always think: "The enemy could be their friend, guardian / I'm not a hooligan / I rock the party and / Clear all the madness..."

Honest, that line always pops into my head.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 15 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Best album to dance to while drunk : If I should Fall From the Grace of God

btw

― Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Saturday, 15 November 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

while drunk alone in your bedroom, that is

― Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Saturday, 15 November 2003 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

people who spend so much time cussing The Guardian should perhaps try The Daily Mail, The Star, The Express, The Sun (etc etc) or MTV or VH1 (etc etc) to see how bad things are in comparison.

i mean at least Petridish knows the word "microhouse" exists. i bet the "3am" girls don't and they're supposed to be the "youf" and "entertainment" section of that rag.

― martin (martin), Saturday, 15 November 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's certainly no duller than the "which is better? fried or scrambled eggs?" shenanigans of ILE.

Answered by swarms of failed chefs.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 15 November 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"youf"
"entertainment"
"microhouse"

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 15 November 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Maxwell, have you ever danced drunk to 99 Luftballons?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 15 November 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

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Time Out is clearly the new Village Voice!

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

TO's j3ssica w1nter writes for both as it goes. it's been long since i've done owt, mind you!

― ENRQ, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I'd noticed that. Freelancers only allowed when there's a budget!

I await Sarah Kent's Dizzee Rascal review with interest...

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Freelance mania! I should pitch to TO writing about imaginary London events in an imaginary London.

"At the Lord High Foxhunters retro-disco club, the Toffs will be playing their 'elegant musick of the beat' to an audience of mostly expatriate Americans..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Has Mojo or Uncut ever done a feature on Bubblegum?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, I'd gladly give you an "imaginary gig listings" column on Stylus anytime you wanted!

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I will consider this. BUT I'LL USE YOU AS A MERE STEPPING STONE AND CRUELLY LEAVE YOU BEHIND. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Time Out is clearly the new Village Voice!

thinking about it, TO has taken the ball and run a considerable distance. there's even less worth reading in it than the Voice.

― somewhat obvious, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

it rings a bell... it'd be more Mojo territory than Uncut, I reckon...

― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I am used to being a stepping stone.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I vaguely remember something on Kassenetz-Katz in Mojo a few years back, and I'm pretty sure they've also done the Monkees, but in terms of in-depth features on bubblegum I'd have to say no they haven't.

There are at least two people at Uncut (OK, one of them's me) who would dearly like to do a special bubblegum issue, but bubblegum is noticeably devoid of barbed wire tequila soaked Elmore Peckinpah crossroads so I guess it's out of the question.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Just look at Swygart - I've created a monster!

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

**I often wonder whether it wasn't actually better in the late '70s, when vast chunks of back catalogue were unavailable or buried in the bargain bins.**

I liked it more. Much as I am delighted to be able to go out and get say, all the early Passage singles on Object, on a nicely packaged LTM CD, I kind of miss building up an impossible to find release into a vital thing-of-mystery. For me that's part of loving the music - having to work at getting it, trying to find out something about the band. If I'm honest, I suppose I haven't as much time now, so maybe off-the-shelf obscurities are better.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

If you want, Dr C, I can pass on to you my NEED to find all the five Disco Inferno EPs on CD single, cos I've only got two so far and it's driving me nuts...

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

There's tons that isn't available; of course I'm speaking as someone who listens to classical avant garde too etc., but even if everything was available it wouldn't be so bad -- maybe we can get to the whole making sense of it all bit -- even then, ppl won't get to everything, too much out there, too many barriers.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Guys like Stockhausen and Ligeti didn't even have recordings to listen to, they just had scores!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Back in the late 70's, my pocket money never seemed to be enough to allow me to keep abreast of all the new things that were being released (and which eventually made their way through the vaguaries of the independent distribution networks that the Doc. describes above) and the older stuff which meandered vaguely in and out of print (as again decribed by the good Doctor).

These days however, what with CD's and t'interweb and pretty much everything that's ever been recorded apparently being made available (with the sole exception of Lick My fucking Decals Off Baby, it would apear!), my (not insubstantial) salary never seems to be enough to allow me to keep abreast of all the new things that are being released as well as all the older stuff which is constantly being unearthed or re-released in a variety of different versions and configurations.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

it was tougher in the 50s man.

x-post

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

The cute thing about Stockhausen's attitude to CD reissues is that he puts them out himself and charges £120 for them! Unlikely ever to be seen in an HMV sale, I think.

Stewart that'll be Lick My Decals Off Baby and Starsailor, neither being available on CD due to endless legal dispute with Herb Cohen/Gail Zappa/whoever else is involved re. the Straight Records catalogue. Ditto Cameo-Parkway (Allen Klein, who else?) which is why you can't get the original ?/Mysterians 96 Tears on CD nor any of the gaping holes in any Northern Soul CD compilation ("You Didn't Say A Word," "Night Owl," etc.).

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

And thanks to Herb and Gail for "Bat Chain Puller"/ Wild Man Fischer while we're at it

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"Stewart that'll be Lick My Decals Off Baby and Starsailor, neither being available on CD due to endless legal dispute with Herb Cohen/Gail Zappa/whoever else is involved re. the Straight Records catalogue"

I dunno about Starsailor, but I believe one of the guys from the Beefheart list actually tracked Herb Cohen down several years ago and managed to persuade him to write a letter to Warner Brothers, advising them them that he didn't have any legal title to Lick My Decals Off Baby (as they had previously been insisting), they did!

The really sad bit about this is (and I have this on extremely good authority btw) that a couple of years ago, someone at Rhino had apparently pretty much assembled the whole thing, completely remastered, additional CD of bonus tracks including various outtakes, the whole instrumental version of the album that's kicking about on tapes, etc. etc. etc.; but then that person left Rhino and no-one else seems to be arsed to finish the job off.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still surprised I do have Starsailor on CD, actually (picked up the American issue cheap and used years ago -- I gather it's some sort of highly prized rarity now or something).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Herb Cohen was Tim Buckley's manager. Why only "Starsailor" hasn't been reissued I don't know - maybe because they know that's the one everyone wants to hear.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Herb was also Zappa's manager of course (and Don's for a while too IIRC) and is probably involved in the original Bat Chain Puller languishing in the archives.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

and universal just shut down their licensing department so expect things to become drier.

― doomie x, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

In my American Hickboy view, it's good to have Mojo and Uncut (competing/secretly supporting each other, in the Amerikapitalist-approved way). I see Mojo more often: not only do they have a pretty good balance of old and new (in the Reviews, which is more my interest, as a Village Voice occasional)(also, the CD samplers, which nobody's mentioned here). Plus, a lot of the old stuff is new to me, and I'm old.(Yes, demographics do explain a lot. In America, most allt weeklies, Voice Media's the most sucessful, have a very Boomer base, and Voicelords having to contort content reaching for percieved short-attention-span newbies) This (blasts from the past factor)) is not just a Mojo thing, either: every year, I have to wrassle with out-of-the-blue Reissues/Prev. Unreleased, trying to take over my P&J Top Ten. Of course, if VV would bring back the Best Reissues Top Ten, would be no prob, so far my screams go unheeded. I suppose the Burden of History might be burying old and young alike, but (as promos "confirm", like radio/tv didn't), the median is the median, and lot of stuff is pretty same-o, more for reasons of biz (incl indie wannabees) than evident overeducation.

― Don Allred, Friday, 20 August 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...

My blog was mentioned in The Guardian Guide on Saturday

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/internet/story/0,14702,1483619,00.html

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 16 May 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Hello Mum, I'm in this today picking 5 songs I listen to on my commute.

*SPOILERS*
Boards Of Canada 'roygbiv'
The Parliaments 'Heart Trouble'
The Isles 'Flying Under Cheap Kites'
Teddybears STHLM 'Cobrastyle'
Uffie 'Pop The Glock (Sebastian mix)'

all picked cos they're short (around 3 mins or under) as is my commute (relatively).

― blueski, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

Do they only pick ILXORs on that thing? First Carsmile Steve, now you, and I'm sure the guy last week who picked the Knife, M.Ward and Talking Heads could have been me. Either that or I've had my walkman too loud on the train.

Just out of interest, how did you get approached for this?

― the next grozart, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:56 (eighteen years ago)

Haha "the guy".

― Matt DC, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

carsmile, alix and i all know the same person who works there and invited us to be the commuter in question.

― blueski, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

"the guy last week who picked the Knife, M.Ward and Talking Heads could have been me" - that WAS alix

― Alan, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

urban :((

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

I was that commuter too a couple of weeks ago.

― Anna, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

in your urbanite face, enrique.

sorry anna i thought you did it months ago. i would like to see what you wrote/picked.

― blueski, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

urBAN STEVEM

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

I don't understand the hate for this Petridis guy. What exactly has he done wrong?

― Grandpont Genie, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

he's the chief music writer of the main newspaper read by users of this board. many users of this board are music writers. it's not really hate though, it's a good natured tussle most of the time, especially because when he mentions what da blogosphere thinks of a given phenomenon -- which happens from time to time -- it's usually taken as a response to ilx.

other than that you'd have to ask marcello.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

there was that time he raped a baby too

― 600, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

a baby jesus?!?

― t**t, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

oh i dont know, id gone home by then

― 600, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

maybe I'm empathising w/ him a bit too much, or trying to, but there are some comments made about Petridis that seem to go beyond a "good natured tussle", suffice to say, if I were him and on the receiving end of it, I would get quite upset by it. On the flipside I suppose I should take note of the fact that a degree of thick-skinned-ness is a requirement for the journalist, but as 600 points out above, -ve responses to his writings do seem to be disporportionate.

― Grandpont Genie, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

it depends on your perspective, some say the baby was harmed for life, but others say it was only a baby its not like itll remember, and people get up to all kinds of hijinks in college

― 600, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

haha

― admrl, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

Petridish is basically Eubank to ILX's Nigel Benn.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

who's michael watson?

― blueski, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

Louis Jagger is Gerald McClellan.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

― lfam, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

i forgot that americans used this board.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

In America, this board uses us.

― nabisco, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

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