Tom Cox - Self Hater?

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"It's not that I didn't endorse good bands in Words I Might Have Ate (I'm sure there were at least four featured in the six issues that I published). It's just that this wasn't the modus operandi of the mid-Nineties fanzine writer. The point of our endeavours was more like an extension of the band T-shirts we wore: a substitution of musical references for personality - the more enigmatic and pointless, the better. I probably knew even then that, say, forgotten John Peel favourites Mazey Fade sounded about as good as a box full of crockery falling down some stairs, but I liked the way that putting their name on the cover of my mag made me feel powerful and baffling. Who was watching? Probably only my fellow fanzine writers and wannabe fanzine writers, but, to me, that may as well have been the entire Western world. As our new issues came out, we would rush to exchange them, then compliment one another on our snotty elitism, finding our own language in the process - a language where common phrases like 'Hello' 'What have you been up to?' and 'Who are you going out with at the moment?' were substituted for 'Have you heard the new New Radiant Storm King album on Ditchwater Recordings?', 'Bailter Space rule!' and 'God Is My Co-Pilot: godlike geniuses or pretenders to the riot grrrl throne?'. It was all a convenient way of avoiding real emotions."

From http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,13887,1083283,00.html

I mean, it's all well and good poking fun at your adolescent past-times when you finally get yourself a girlfriend and all, but really...

stevie (stevie), Sunday, 16 November 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Is he the most asshole man ever?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 16 November 2003 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah but you can't fault what he's actually saying can you?

Pete S, Sunday, 16 November 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

is growing up a refutation of your past? or an acceptance of it?

i have a certain suspicion of the way of thinking outlined above. i think its possibly because it characterizes periods of your past as 'development stages', and the present as a fully realised stage, able to laugh at the follies on the way there. but there is no thought given to the fact that the present is also a development stage (although i dont like the word development in this context)

or to look at it another way, cox seems to be saying, then i was silly, now i am sensible, as though this is how he is going to be for the rest of his life now. in 10 years time he might look upon now as silly, a period in which he adopted forced conservatism, and that the louche and vaudevillian person he might become in the future is the real him

i think i have a suspicion of people who 'grow up' because i wonder why they didnt grow up earlier. this is late to be growing up. you become an adult at 16 not 37

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

adoption of the persona of adulthood, a post-1950s phenomenon? also a peculiarly middle class viewpoint possibly

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't fault what he's saying, can say why the fuck did you do it in the first place you fuckign awful stain of a man though.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The very nature of the music we all listen to (since the 1950s incidentally) helps to retard our growth. The themes, the shallow exploration of those, the obsessive focus on excitement as its main feature... It's all about recommending adolescence and the feelings and thrills that come with it as something we should hang on to.

Pete S, Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I am listening to Electric by The Cult. I know not of this 'arrested adolescence'.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

or to look at it another way, cox seems to be saying, then i was silly, now i am sensible, as though this is how he is going to be for the rest of his life now.

I'm not sure he's necessarily saying he's now sensible just that he's identified and recanted a particular style of silliness from his past. You're right though that you do continually discover that you were still silly even though you previously thought you had it beat. But perhaps the silliness becomes fainter as you go on as it's subject
to repeated filtering.

David (David), Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I still can't figure out why commissioning editors have any time for this guy. Everyone doing a fanzine in the early '90s was making one as a form of 'work experience' because it followed that 'zine ----> music industry job, Cox included.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Wherein we find Tom Cox expresses a bemused and self-indulgent alienation over those kooky youngins and their music -- only this time, he's one of the kooky youngins. For his next trick, he will make jokes about airplane food.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sure, I owned the latest Destiny's Child album..."

Pete S, Sunday, 16 November 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom Cox is a fool remember all the ghastly roots-y Americana rock he gushed over in The Guardian every Friday.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

charlton is seriously on the money here.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The notorious Hornby 'Kid A' thing said it better. Actually the R'head piece hinted at a profound truth - that aging = thinking progressively less about anything but oneself. At least Hornby admitted being a victim of universal circumstance.

dave q, Sunday, 16 November 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually the R'head piece hinted at a profound truth - that aging = thinking progressively less about anything but oneself.

I think Hornby would say something somewhat opposite, though: as one grows older, the more one takes responsibility for the welfare of others, ergo, the less time one has for such "interior" pursuits as listening to Kid A or masturbating or whatever. (Though I might buy the idea that for some narcissists, "thinking about the welfare of your charges" = "thinking about oneself.')

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 16 November 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Crikey, some people have taken this to heart in a particularly personal way!

Reginald Dellos Tools (regtools), Sunday, 16 November 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Crikey, some people have taken this to heart in a particularly personal way!

I just thought the piece was really quite sad. i'm used to cox demeaning music and its fans with tiresome and shallow stereotypes and presumptions; its just kind of brutal (and heartless) to see him apply those same shortcomings and frustratingly cruel and blinkered rhetorical and 'investigative' lunges upon his own adolescence. i remember reading 'words that i ate' and much prefer it to the insulting and defeated writing he slouches through now. and to see a zine as sublime as 'and the living is easy' namechecked and then disregarded is criminal.

i also can't swallow the way the piece asserts that Cox wasted his time attending Archers Of Loaf gigs and interacting with fanzine communities when he could obviously have been doing something a lot more socially rewarding like, uh, going to the pub. its as though Cox went through electric shock therapy to absolve his sins of indie-ness, and the vaguest suggestion that such a lifestyle wasn't an entire waste of time cause his writing to spasm and sputter in bloodthirsty ridicule of his adolescent interests.

i'm not even going to go in to the glaringly obvious and insulting caricature of the girl he loved who probably listened to 2 unlimited and danced around her handbag at the local ritzy. Cox is a typically english writer, an inverted and convoluted snob forever on the outside, looking in upon himself. the ultimate tragedy is that he seems to view himself as much a 2-dimensional cliche as everyone else he writes about.

stevie (stevie), Sunday, 16 November 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)


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