Is hip hop corny?

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― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 17 November 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but I didn't Jay-Z saying that in an article to know it.

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

SNAP

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 17 November 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

He said it in June though, did you think that in June, huh?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 17 November 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I've thought it for some time now. Also, corny != bad necessarily.

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Jay-Z seems to think it does

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 17 November 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Jay-Z says a lot of things.

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

he's always sounded like he can't be bothered to get out of his lay-z-boy (probably where he got his name, hyuk hyuk), so it's nice to have him personally reaffirm that he's bored.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 17 November 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

corny in the gareth-ian 'trite = true' sense? sometimes yeah, the kanye/blaze school of tripletime kitch we're hearing lots of at the moment kinda fits that bill. i like that kind of corny.

corny in the formulaic and predictable sense? you'll get the cyclists that'll tell you that hiphop is now in its late proggy excess stage or its late hair metal excess stage or both but if so that's fine and anyway i'm of the ewing 'soulseek and you shall find' school of thought. so even if i did believe that hip hop was experiencing some lean times, i'd probably be content enough not to worry too much.

i think jay's just getting oldish.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 17 November 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, he (and others are) getting old, but this is not mutually exclusive.

Hip-hop "won". Ergo, it's now boring.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 November 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

if i was trife i'd ask you if you'd prefer black people to stay "losers" so you can be excited by their brave struggle against the system, but, yknow, i'm not.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 17 November 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Music geeks by definition have a fetish for losers.

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

if i was trife i'd ask you if you'd prefer black people to stay "losers" so you can be excited by their brave struggle against the system, but, yknow, i'm not.

someone's gotta step into the breach, though i'm not sure you really do speak for trife there. by "won" i mean, perhaps among other things, 'dominated pop music'. it's no longer a collective struggle for mass-cult respect as an artform. (and if you think that's not the point for at least some artists, cf. "so you don't confuse it with 'just rap music'").

however, i think most hiphop fans, trife included, are excited by exactly what you're trying to get at with the phrase above, whether they admit it or not.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

(and by boring, i meant for the artist, first, which is, y'know, the subject of the article)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

and one would be hard-pressed to explain why people with a fetish for losers would like Jay-Z

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 November 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Gabbneb I think the "so you don't confuse it with..." line refers to the fact that Jay-Z's raps are also real life threats, not that they're also art.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

is doo wop corny?

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

what's great about all this is that boredom is what Jay-Z's been selling all along! his entire schtick (at least on his non-Blueprint or first-album stuff) is that he's so much better than anyone else why bother breaking a sweat? so of course he's retiring! genius!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree, the Black Album sounds more like "ya'll gonna miss me" more than "i'm gonna miss ya'll" He's always been on his own level. Alone. Jay-Z. He sees hip-hop w-out Jay-

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

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