Rubicon - an irrevocable step towards?

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Rubicon (rû'bĭkŏn) , Lat. Rubico, small stream that flows into the Adriatic and in Roman times marked the boundary between Cisalpine Gaul and ancient Italy. In 49 B.C., after some hesitation, Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon to march against Pompey in defiance of the senate's orders. He thus committed himself to conquer or to perish, and “to cross the Rubicon” now means to take an irrevocable step.

a step towards...? what? espadrilles?

― bakhtin, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

...and I thought it was going to be a Tangerine Dream thread.

― Jez (Jez), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre200/e214/e21437ipsb2.jpg

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

BIG TITTY BITCHES THEY R THE SHIT BRING YO ASS HERE AND RIDE ON THIS DICK

― darko donnington (blueski), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Are we talking about these guys?

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f545/f54500ig97o.jpg

...as in the post-Nephilim gents?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Was Nod Wright in Rubicon? It's not a very Goth name, "Nod" - too affirmative.

― 39 Steps + 40 Winks (39 Steps + 40 Winks), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

dear alan braxe and fred falke,

please stop stealing my choruses. it is rather ungentlemanly, and ungracious to boot.

thank you for your time,

dj deeon

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i was wondering where it came from, any more info?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

no! that was intellectually dishonest! dj deeon does have a song called "let me bang", which has the hook "big titty bitches / they think they the shit / let me see you work it / on top of this dick" followed by "let me bang / let me bang" x50. in fact, when i listened to your clip, i had to wonder if the dj wasn't just dropping the dj deeon song over rubicon.

the thing about all these ghettotech hooks, though, is that they're lifted or sampled from older material anyway. case in point would be the hook: "hoes in this house / if you see 'em point em out". EVERYONE has used that hook (joe budden!) and i think it dates back to some sort of dirty go-go from baltimore.

yeah, so anyway the hook comes from the same place as all those baltimore breakbeat hooks: from the ether (or from the murky, barely documented prehistory of underground pre-house go-go and electric funk).

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i kept hearing it as 'let me burn' - i can be pretty hopeless at deciphering such things tho

anyway, i like the whole vibe of 'Rubicon' more than the actual vocal hook which is pretty throwaway and could be referring to something else without compromising anything really

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

so the chorus from 'big booty bitches' by dj assault is nicked from dj deeon as well?

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

um, i think more likely assault and deeon nicked it from the same place (though deeon did it first).

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

also this confirms i am a phillistine: i mainly like the chorus, though the track is quite hott, and i can only hope and pray for more french house/ghetto house crossover. a romanthony vs. crydajam album would make my head explode.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

dj deeon knows what gangsta is

― bakhtin, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

& should invest in better legal representation for previous copyright infringements

but has nothing to do with rubicon

vahid: get the full clean version now avaiable at your local soulseek client

― bakhtin, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

a romanthony vs. crydajam album would make my head explode

er, you've heard 'Discovery' right?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah of course, though i thought romanthony was sort of subsumed by daft punk's style. the same thing seems to happen on his glasgow underground releases (though to much less flattering effect).

i said crydajam mainly because of "give me the love i want", which seems like a very conscious (and wildly succesful) effort to capture new jersey vibes.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

interesting!

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Nod Wright was in Rubicon...who replaced Carl McCoy of the Nephilim with a guy who sounded a bit like a throatier Eddie Vedder. The album was largely dire, but "Hard for You" was a great track. I'm guessing this matters little to anyone here.

"Rubicon" is also the greatest track on Killing Joke's Brighter Than a Thousand Suns.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

And was, moreover, a band who played at Cal Jam II.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm. the roman idea of crossing the rubicon is a bit like the irish thing of going "beyond the pale" - the perimiter marker of a community - is this where fred and alan know they are irrevocably headed...some kind of miami vice soundtrack simulacrum?

― bakhtin, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

ALEA IACTA EST

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i always wondered what that meant when i saw it in Asterix books

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"the die is cast"

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I read Asterix too! Almost all of them. I wish I could find them.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

my Asterix name would be Megamix

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I think mine would be Picknmix.

― Nick H, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

A smell a new game!

Mine would be Yourtastesux!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

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