Jesus Christ. You'd think that Michael Jackson would have learned to stop inviting the little bastards over to play by now.

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You know, I haven't been impressed by anything the guy has done since "Thriller", and I really don't give 2 shits what happens to him, but c'mon, this is getting ridiculous.

http://www.antimusic.com/dayinrock/03/nov/19.shtml

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I know what a police raid is meant to find in like, a heroin sting or something, but what is a search raid gona turn up here?

"Hey Captain, I think the K-9 unit has found the molestophone."

"Good work, officers."

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I know what a police raid is meant to find in like, a heroin sting or something, but what is a search raid gona turn up here?

I'm hoping for an underground dungeon with cages containing chimps and kids, all the kids are numbered, the numbers are worryingly high.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, now that I think about it, I really hope they do find a Molestophone. And it would be like, I dunno, like a tuba that shoots out dildos and silly string and confetti and makes tuba sounds as well.

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant "spaghetti", not "confetti". Sorry bout that.

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

>Also, I know what a police raid is meant to find in like, a heroin
> sting or something, but what is a search raid gona turn up here?

Kiddie pR0n, duh.

― fletrejet, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but that wouldn't neccessarily mean that he diddled anyone.

A Molestophone, on the other hand...

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Rip Taylor has a Molestophone, from the description of it...

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

You have to be an oficially liscensed sprinkle genie to build them.

Also, Rip Torn. That guy's hilarious.

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe mj does have the molestophone. he is the most eccentric fella' on the planet.

― gem ressurrected, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Crikey!!!! The King of Pop's now a fugitive!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

>Yeah, but that wouldn't neccessarily mean that he diddled anyone.

Kiddie pR0n is illegal in and of itself.

Plus I am betting its self-produced.

― fletrejet, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jackson's lawyers have said that the search on Tuesday was a smear campaign timed to hit the singer's new album."

.. Uh, why?

"We cannot comment on law enforcement's investigation because we do not yet know what it is about"

It's a smear campaign, dumbass.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

What a dickboat.

― Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Coming soon - "Micheael Jackson's Dangerous.....Naked"

― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jackson's lawyers have said that the search on Tuesday was a smear campaign timed to hit the singer's new album."

That would be awesome if every high profile album that was critically dismissed resulted in a police raid.

Seriously though, the guy needs to be stopped.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

So when do they send him to Guantanamo Bay?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

In 1994, Jackson reached a multimillion dollar out of court
settlement with a 14-year-old boy who accused him of sexual
molestation. No criminal charges were brought and Jackson
denied any wrongdoing.

that isn't the whole story (police were investigating, and I believe they said as late as a year ago that they investigation was not closed), but it gives "probable cause" to suspect that MJ is harming children. I don't know if it's the same in the US, but in Canada, it's illegal to to have knowledge of child abuse of any kind without reporting it.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

arrest warrant issued:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/19/jackson.ranch/index.html

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

he doesn't have any money left to pay off his victims and their families, does he?
do you think that maybe his financial situation had as much to do with the timing of this as anything else?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Settling a case out of court does not = probable cause that the defendant did the thing, Perry Mason. We've been through this all before on this thread. What MJ really needs to be "stopped" from is the nose-jobs and the bad friends.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

but there was a criminal investigation building against him that came to a veritible standstill after he gave the key witness a multimillion dollar cheque...I'm not saying he's evil, but he seems to be dangerously naive and to have a very poor understanding of the consequences of his action.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Dangerously naive - check
Poor understanding of the world in general - check
Child molestor? Aye aye, captain witch-burner, whatever you and the mob say is fine with me!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Fair do's - he did once admit he was "Bad".

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Really, really Bad.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't called him a child molester. I've said I suspect him to be one, and I'll go further to say that I strongly suspect (tho I guess saying he should be stopped certainly implies that I believe he's doing something that he should be stopped from doing).

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

lost in all of this is the lesser, but nonetheless egregious, offense of releasing an album entitled "number ones" which includes not-number-ones and a new track. i thought he already milked the old stuff with "HIStory." maybe he should sell the giraffes, lose his taste in six-hundred-thousand-dollar urns, and quit having sex with children.

― rainman, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i think R.Kelley should release an album called Number 1's

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

My gut feeling is that although he's a very peculiar man, he's not a child molester. He strikes me as asexual, i.e. he wants to be a child, not molest one.

This new case follows what a 12 year old boy said in therapy. Well we all know what adults let alone children can be persuaded to say and believe in therapy.

― Jonathan Z., Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

careful with that "we all" there, man

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

but it's still fair to say "WE ALL know where the rainbows go..."

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"we all" - ok, but I think there have been some pretty egregious cases of vulnerable people being persuaded that they were abused by their parents as children - the "recovered memory syndrome" that the vast majority of psychiatrists don't accept as a real syndrome.

― Jonathan Z., Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

the fuggin parents should be investigated for letting their kids go near a suspected perv-o.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I find the idea that people who want to be children can't also want to be children who molest other children (of which there are MANY). The implicit notion that children have no sexuality always weirds me out. Also, IF MJ is really molesting kids (and I really have no idea, innocent until proven guilty ya know) I have no doubt that he would try to appear as naive and innocent as possible JUST the way a guilty child would. . .

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I find the idea very bizarre (incomplete sentence, tyvm).

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

You'd think that Michael Jackson would have learned to stop inviting the little bastards over to play by now.
But if the theory is correct, he's sick in the head. Molestors -- supposedly -- have a hard time understanding why what they do is wrong.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

All I was saying was that MJ's Peter Pan fixation doesn't in any logical way make him more likely to molest children.

― Jonathan Z., Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know if that statement is true either, actually, but it doesn't really matter either. He either did or he didn't, ya know. The precedents aren't particularly important.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post
it's certainly a more friendly persona to kids than say a drill wielding dentist or something.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i.e. the first kid's dad's friend, who actually was a dentist!! the actual "confession" the kid's estranged dad was finally able to extract from him (as opposed to the dad making all the claims on the kid's behalf) took place on the dentist's chair, under laughing gas

MJ's the real criminal here though, because he is totally weird and kids love him

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

you think there should be no investigation?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"you think there should be no investigation?"

I don't know if that q. was aimed at me, but yes, of course I think there should be an investigation. I'm dubious about claims that came out in therapy, and when the last claim resulted in a payout of phenomenal sums. But once a claim has been made, particularly against such a controversial figure, of course it should be investigated.

― Jonathan Z., Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I say try him in the media!

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"Will Rip Taylor please come to the lobby? Call for you on the Molestophone"

― rumple, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Holy Mackerel!

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Huckleberry i bet you were totally in favor of the fat girl suing McDonald's too huh?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracer, I applaud your unpopular view and tenacity. And yes, I am doing exactly what I railed against others for doing re: the war. Namely, staring at the media images and swallowing what I'm being fed.
That said, I still believe that one (at least at one time) unbelievably rich dude's reputation does not supercede the need to seriously and thoroughly investigate all reasonable child abuse claims.

That said, I agree, picking on Jackson takes zilch imagination, but he's also played as big, if not bigger, a role in perpetuating his public image as an unstable, dangerous parent as the scumbag media.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard on the news this morning that the parents of the kid in question have quite emphatically stated they're not interested in money, they're interested in full-on prosecution. Is this the case?

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

are they asking for any damages - or do they just want jack-o behind bars¿

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

If it's true, it is a criminal offense and it doesn't matter what the parents' intentions are.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

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he's a lover not a fighter

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't matter what it's distracting from, doesn't have to be a war, could be the horrifically mind-numbing amounts of child abuse in any city, anywhere.

― hstencil, Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

just because MJ's not benefitting from the distraction doesn't mean that it's not benefitting somebody.

― hstencil, Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I told you this was horrifying.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

who's distracted?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

What? I'm sorry, I wasn't listening.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

not me, I'm reading about Dick Cheney's anti-CIA stance!

― hstencil, Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

hey New Republic, "Duh!"

― hstencil, Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"reading"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

ha! yeah actually I finished it a minute or so ago.

― hstencil, Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

blount pre-empt: "finished"

― hstencil, Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"pre-empt"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway, he's rich, he can fend for himself in the legal system, shed your tears for those who ain't got seven figures to blow on a defense team

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, I know. But he was great in his prime. Really really great.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

so was oj!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

FREE KEN CAMINITI

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Let me have my little moment, ok? It'll be over soon.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, and... done.

Yeah, of course you're right, and of course I think he's a tiny-penis-touching motherfucker and should probably go to jail.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

In a perfect world, he would be sainted. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying it's a shame he had to be so nuts. Surely that could've been avoided somehow.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I'm sorry I semi-revived the thread.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 November 2003 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"But if Michael Jackson is guilty, it's horrifying, not funny. And if he's innocent, this has all been a witch hunt for a guy who's nothing more than weird and well-intentioned, and that's pretty horrifying, too."

Spot on.

― syntaxfree, Sunday, 23 November 2003 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"FREE"

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 24 November 2003 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

From itv.com/news/entertainment on the news that MJ has gone no.1 in
the albums chart.

"Busted beaten off by Michael Jackson"

― Pete S, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

alright tell me this:
what is the moral and ethical difference, if the accusations are true, b/w michael jackson & bill wyman or jerry lee lewis.

― anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Jerry Lee Lewis kills his underage wives when he's done with them. Michael doesn't have that killer instinct.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

anthony, that's a very good question. I mean, we're not talking a big difference in the ages of the alleged victims. Could homophobia be playing its part here, too?

I agree with Kenan. This is fucking sad. I find myself hoping for the kids' sakes that this isn't true; and for MJ's sake that it is. 'Cause no-one should go through this if they're innocent.

But we hardly ever talk about child abuse, really, other than in these extreme situations. So hstencil's right, too. It's a distraction. Make it seem like a really extreme fucking (demonized) deviance, and perhaps everyone won't notice the mundanity of day-to-day hurts inflicted on kids.

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Jackson Wang Chung tonight!

― LKT, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Micheal is going to claim that the Make A Wish by this kid was to have sex with Micheal Jackson.
Okay. I'm sick.

― Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

MICHEAL JACK-OFF LOL

― bubbbles, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The family of the child has already been involved in two previous cases involving abuse allegations. One was lawsuit in which the family said they were battered by mall security guards, and the other a divorce battle in which the father pleaded no contest to spousal abuse and child cruelty.
In November 2001, JC Penney Co. paid the boy's family $137,500 (£80,700) to settle a suit alleging that security guards had beaten the boy, his mother and his brother in a parking lot.
The alleged incident happened after the boy had left the store carrying clothes that had not been paid for, court records show.
The mother also claimed that she had been sexually assaulted by one of the guards during the 1998 confrontation.
A month before the settlement, the boy's mother had filed for divorce, beginning a bitter fight that would include criminal charges of abuse.
The father's attorney, Russell Halpern, said the mother had lied about the abuse and had a "Svengali-like" ability to make her children repeat her lies.
Mr Halpern said that the father had once shown him a script his wife had allegedly written for their children to use when they were questioned in a civil deposition.
He said: "She wrote out all their testimony. I actually saw the script. I remember my client showing me, bringing the paperwork to me."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1093551,00.html

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 November 2003 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

DUH!!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 November 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

tracer obv. has all the facts pertinent to this case

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 27 November 2003 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

The flippancy by so many regarding this story is a little disturbing; it is perhaps in itself indicative that there has been so much comment on this issue. Surely legal process should be paramount, rather than ill-informed public comment?

Media commentary in its breadth and obsession with this story, is emblematic of the monster that the broadcast media has become in the West. More balance, more perspective, please.

― Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 27 November 2003 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"facts"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 November 2003 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/music/B0000DJE9R/advice/002-1178737-6162411

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh my God

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"alright, i've got the story of a svengali mother conning authorities out of thousands, finally going after 'the big one' using her son as a pawn? what's the headline, boss?"

"wacko jacko"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 4 December 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

HA!!

― Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

What a surprise.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Still guilty of horrible judgment though...

Glad to hear there was no actual misbehavior.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

so basically someone called the DFS because they saw the Bashir documentary?

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey dave225, when did you stop beating your wife?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

gosh - what's the first tactic of any legal defense in a rape trial? Discredit the accuser. "What a surprise" indeed.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven' ... d'oh!

Point taken - 'tis a shame that he had to go through all of that. But really, I should think he would want to ensure that these types of allegations couldn't happen again...

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Mo's right -- the first thing the defense does in any rape trial is to produce a report by a government agency in which it is ruled that no investagion is necessary.

On KRAZY-UPSIDE DOWN PLANET, MAYBE!!

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave, the only way he could truly do that is if he began to hang out with people over the age of 18.

He's not willing....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

..or just have another adult in the room .. video cameras ....

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

Jackson to stand trial on abuse charges

Jackson will 'plead not guilty'

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm looking forward to some good "Free Michael Jackson!" songs. Preferably by R. Kelly.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 22 April 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Gross.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 23 April 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

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