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anyone have this yet? any word on how it is? its on slsk, but i am in line behind tons o people prolly

― todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 20 November 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

what's it called?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

fremme neppa venette

― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

what are the lyrics of it. Missy Rulez thx!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

It's called "They Were Wrong So We Drowned" and it's amazing. No guitars really...

― Matt Boch, Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Pitchfork has it as "They Were So Wrong We Drowned," but I believe "...So We Drowned" is correct.

― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

slsk Usrnames that have it: BoywonderofLove, treechewer.

Check herfHig, mjulian001, drystereo later on?

I have been moving people up on my que who are downloading it.

― Matt Boch, Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

No guitars? I loved that guitar player! Wow, I am really curious...

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Is the production better?

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a lot of abrasive dense synth stuff and chanting vocals. The drums come in and out a lot, but the beats are still dancey, just buried a bit.

Remember they lost their rhythm section between these albums.

― Matt Boch, Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The production is great. The record is really dirty. Lots of multi-tracked vocals. There are some instrumental tracks. Overall, a lot more space than the previous record. More in the vein of the Fins to Make... EP.

I think it will be a pretty polarizing album.

― Matt Boch, Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry for the multiple messages... There is guitar on some songs, but it's all pretty heavily processed.

One song (There's Always Room on the Broom) is built around a synth line that sounds a lot like Neon Hunk.

― Matt Boch, Thursday, 20 November 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

check out their interview they did with pitchfork.. jeez, must have been almost a year ago. they specifically said their agenda was to have the new record sound nothing like the last one in order to challenge their audience. like 'oh you like the rhythm of "mr youre on fire, mr"? gone.'

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 20 November 2003 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

If everyone's like [uses adoring voice], "We just looove all the basslines, and drum beats on your last record," then we just challenge ourselves to write good songs without being beat-driven, or without strong basslines.

Funny that those are the members that left the band.

― Matt Boch (Matt Boch), Thursday, 20 November 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, the guitar player is still with the band.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 20 November 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck everyone that has heard this before me!

just because...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The guitar player is. "...they lost their rhythm section between these albums." I meant bass and drums.

― Matt Boch (Matt Boch), Thursday, 20 November 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

>>>Funny that those are the members that left the band.

irony? or conspiracy? discuss.

also in the liars vein: in a rather unflattering review of the liars live show on drownedinsound I found this sweet line:

Chief Liar, Angus Andrew, is probably more famous for being being the guy that goes out with Bobby Gillespie's twin sister Karen,

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 20 November 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

More in the vein of the Fins to Make... EP.

Just saw this. Thank you god!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

@d@ml, the other comments still stand though. It's closest to that EP, but still VERY different...

― Matt Boch (Matt Boch), Thursday, 20 November 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

They skipped Second Edition and went straight to Flowers of Romance!!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 20 November 2003 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone lock this thread now.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(i've only heard the first two songs, actually.. I'm slowly downloading off some dial-up chump... but it seems an apt comparison!)

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 20 November 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Comlately has got it crazy fast. So far so good etc.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 20 November 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Sounds like the Crainium.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 20 November 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really very good at all, is it? The obsession bands these days have with "evolving" baffles me, especially when that evolution is executed in such a contrived way, or at least so consciously.

Change should be organic, not so sudden and choppy. Abandoning what you're good at it is fine if it's an exercise, a way to force improvement. But yeah the Liars sorta fail here if you ask me. Boring.

― Leon Neyfakh, Thursday, 20 November 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

not heard the new record but I saw them live on sunday and thought the new direction was a huge improvement. I wasn't that big a fan of their older stuff. I was thinking about crainium for the whole gig too. and a bit of early butthole surfers and dna.

― simon 803 (simon 803), Thursday, 20 November 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

my homey played me this the other night...it was fucking terrible.

― ddb, Thursday, 20 November 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

didnt read the whole thread but theres a track up on fluxblog in case no one has mentioned it yet. its not great.

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 20 November 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Sounds like The Crainium sounds promising.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

01. Broken Witch, 03. There's Always Room on The Broom, 05. They Don't Want Your Corn They Want Your Children, 08. Hold And It Will Happen Anyway, 09. They Took 14 For The Rest Of Our Lives -- all these songs (half the album) seem very logical progressions from the rest of the Liars corpus -- "They Were Wrong..." is not entirely some rootless or rebel-without-a-cause undertaking. I dig these tracks more and more with each listen, as well as the closer.

The other drone-y Black Dicey stuff is dense and seemingly aimless; in general I think people demand too much from these kinds of compositions, but I'm willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt, at least for a few more listens.

All in all, a careful party -- NBS

― Nick Sylvester, Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"Black Dicey" - nothing I'm diametrically opposed to, but somehow I don't like seeing it in this context.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Gah! Instead of Black Dicey which is in the end pretty inaccurate (my b), how about "sounds like the last track from the Oneida/Liars split ('Dorothy Taps the Toe...') or the last track from 'They threw us all in a trench...'" --

― Nick Sylvester, Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not really crazy about the record - about half of it sounds really lazy and boring to my ears. I've got one of the songs on my blog if anyone wants to hear it. I

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick - The second song on the record is called "Steam Rose From The Lifeless Cloak."

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

If this album is bad, my heart will be broken and I will sell all my records and become a stockbroker.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, nevermind that. I thought you were listing off the songs. Whoops.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I totally agree that a lot of it sounds like the Crainium, by the way. That's a good point of reference.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Woah, thanks for the track, Matthew. It's growing on me, the vocals kind of make me think of Marilyn Manson! Meets The Fall meets The Animal Collective!

Maybe I just hate hooks or something, but I really love this stuff. As great of a song as "Mr Your On Fire Mr" is (and let's not forget "Grown Men..." was actually the single!), I find more to listen to in stuff like "Pillars Were Hollow And Filled With Candy, So We Tore Them Down", which still surprises me every time. There's a lot going on there, as there is with "Brooms". All of the (relatively) "hooky", bass-driven stuff I tend to group with the "Everyone That Pretended To Like Me Is Gone" EP, which is probably the closest this band gets to lacklustre. I will still miss Pat and Ron though, they were excellent musicians.

I also don't see this as a "forced evolution"-there's at least a thread in this song that leads back to a few of the tracks on "They Threw Us...".

Street date for singles/album? West Coast tour dates?

This has done nothing to dampen my enthusiasm for the whole album.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 23 November 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I should add- if you can't already tell from my previous contributions to this thread, my feelings towards Liars come as close to blind faith as they are likely to get in this day and age. Thus, even if the album is atrocious, I will likely not admit as such for a good 18 months or so.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 23 November 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

So is this like a concept album about the Salem Witch Trials or something? Crazy.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 23 November 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

All of the (relatively) "hooky", bass-driven stuff I tend to group with the "Everyone That Pretended To Like Me Is Gone" EP, which is probably the closest this band gets to lacklustre.

Whoa, hold on, is this a mistake? Did they really put out an ep with the same title as the Walkmen album? WTF?

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

oops!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Fucking long titles-I meant We No Longer Knew Who We Were!

And I've never even heard The Walkmen...wtf?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The Walkmen are another (very good) band from NYC.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I've only listened to it once and didn't think much of it— lukewarm experimentalism, purposely un-hooky and un-rock. I could kind of see it growing on me, though, so I'm willing to give it a couple more spins.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I get the feeling that I'd have to be on some kind of drug to fully appreciate the new Liars album, honestly. Or maybe if it accompanied a film just right...

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked it the first time I gave it a cursory listen, mostly because I had the Mountain Dew jitters. My main enjoyment of the album was of the "I cannot wait to enact this as revenge on noisy apartment neighbors!!!" variety.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 23 November 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Raaaaaaaaaaaah! I still only have only this one track, but my house is a very exciting place to be right now, I tell you!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 November 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I get the feeling that I'd have to be on some kind of drug to fully appreciate the new Liars album

I wish people wouldn't say shit like that, cos I haven't done acid in years but I used to do a lot of it and I always end up really loving the shit people say that about, but their saying that REALLY MAKES ME WANNA DO ACID AGAIN, but i know I shouldn't!! It's great when I'm sober anyway.. I've been listening to this a LOT lately, and I don't find anything unhooky about it (see the bassline-ish noise thing in "There's Always Room on the Broom", "Hold It And It Will Happen", and of course "I! I AM THE MAN!".. haha that kills me), and i absolutely LOVE the witch-talk.. When I first heard the title I thought it was a funny non-sequitor but in context IT'S REALLY AWESOME!

― o (Keiko), Monday, 24 November 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Sonny, next time I'm passing through Bloomington, I'll make sure to take you out to Cracker Barrel and buy you a drink.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 November 2003 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

That's very kind of you, sir!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 24 November 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeh, seems like a drug record to me as well, but I like it sober nonetheless. I think I'm a sucker for the chanted, layered vocals. Also, the drum beats are still awesome, if low in the mix.

― Matt Boch (Matt Boch), Monday, 24 November 2003 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, this is really something isn't it? if we must have more retro, then, yes more flowers of romance and less bad gang of four.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

And on that note, I have suddenly become interested.

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, same here!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

admittedly i'm four beers in, and i spent the whole day listening to the pop group and the dead c, so i'm a bit predisposed to interminable turgid drones and cod-tribalisms right nw.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay! (And BTW I am shocked you are listening to all those groups as well, can't imagine why.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

ned i have always loved the pop group! (i only put the dead c on when drunk anymore now.)

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

You silly billy, I tease.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder how much Anderson Cooper will like this.

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

fiddo very very OTM, and i'm only on track one. this is what i hoped that rapture record would be like.

― bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad that someone picked up all those old chilly, unfriendly, and sinister electronic albums from the early 80s.

Liking this album a lot

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 06:49 (twenty-two years ago)

About halfway through it and yes, goodness -- doesn't really put me in mind of Flowers of Romance since there's less ululations, but the various calls on it upthread are sharp. Actually makes me think as well, thanks to the reissues I picked up, of the early Passage stuff, but with a wider stereo mix (if that makes sense).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 November 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

so the liars played a press show at the caroline offices tonight and HOLY FUCKING CHRIST IT WAS AWFUL. i've never been so hot on the liars live and i like the new record quite a bit, but it did not come off well and the new drummer is pretty damn pitiful. i dunno if i can like the record again. (oh, and spin is apparently giving it an f)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Klosterman said it didn't rock, then?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

where's the thread where we discussing the 2007 s/t album?

― the next grozart, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

Liars (Self Titled album 2007)

― bernard snowy, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

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