Taking Sides: Sgt Pepper C or D Vs Defend the indefensible: Sgt Pepper.

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Which kind of thread should it be?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

The latter would of course be pathetic.

Classic, beyond any shadow of doubt.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Long ago ILM determined with near-unanimity that Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the greatest rock'n'roll album ever recorded (or that ever will be recorded.)

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

wow. This one is gonna run and/or bruise.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Long ago ILM determined with near-unanimity that Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the greatest rock'n'roll album ever recorded (or that ever will be recorded.)

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― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Certainly not greatest ever, but in no way indefensible. In general, I think the "indefensible" threads only started out of boredom of writing "C/D".

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Sgt P C or D would be good if you wanted to talk about Sgt Pepper.

DTI would be good if you wanted a nice meta-ruck.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Long ago ILM determined with near-unanimity that Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the greatest rock'n'roll album ever recorded (or that ever will be recorded.)

Which it isn't, but it is fairly close (and out of the usual "canon", only "Pet Sounds" is better)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

But Pet Sounds isn't very rock'n'roll.

― man, Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

That is one of the good things about "Pet Sounds". :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw. I wouldn't consider "Sgt. Pepper" particularly rock'n'roll either. It is clearly a pop album.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be silly to say that Sgt Pepper isn't great, but I don't think I want or need to listen to it ever again.

― Jonathan Z., Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Basically, it comes down to this:

Once, it was automatic choice for best ever album
Now, it's not even best beatles album.

Purely down to being Ubiquitous.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

we are talking about the movie, right?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the reason for its fall from popularity is that it's the most Paul of The Beatles albums. "With A Little Help From My Friends", "Lovely Rita", "When I'm 64"... you can hear the exact moment in "A Day In The Life" when he goes "Hear, John, let me write a bit".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the reason for its fall from popularity is that it's the most Paul of The Beatles albums.

That is clearly the reason why it is the best. After John met Yoko, Paul was the one and only musical genius in the band (although George got pretty close towards the end)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

It's no more ubiquitous than their other later work (is it even their biggest selling album?) I think that what people want or expect from 'an album' has changed over the last 15-20 years and that change has favoured other records.

And what people want or expect from pop may have changed too - Dom suggests the continued rating of self-obsessed Lennon over playful McCartney, and I think he's got a point.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The only songs I can even make it all the way through anymore are "Within You Without You" and "A Day In the Life". "When I'm 64" was my favorite song once upon a time, now it just makes me want to kick doe-eyed dudes in the jugular.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"Sgt. Pepper" and "Pet Sounds" are both great albums. They're also the two most overrated albums in the history of rock. It's not that they're not quality, obviously they are. But they frequently appear on lists as the #1 and #2 rock albums of all time. At this point, there's pobably at least 200 rock albums better than either of them. Including at least half a dozen by the Beatles and Beach Boys themselves.

― Not that Chuck, Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Long ago ILM determined with near-unanimity that Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the greatest rock'n'roll album ever recorded (or that ever will be recorded.)

Did I say "ILM"? I meant Rolling Stone. Carry on.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Sergeant Pepper:music::Pele:football

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That's one hell of a typo, other Mark...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Dom otm. Or is it odm? Very good, either way.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 20 November 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the Beatles, but Sgt.Peppers is v. weak. Definitely their worst album - some horribly underwritten stuff in there - 'Good Morning, Good Morning', 'Lucy In The Sky... Also who really wants to hear novelties like 'When I'm 64' and 'Mr. Kite' ever again. Then there's Harrison's rubbish 'Within You..'. Rubbish!

So we're left with half an album at best ... Day in The Life is clearly fantastic and I'll stick up for 'A Little Help..', 'Fixing a Hole' and 'Lovely Rita' but really it's thin thin thin.

Compared with Revolver, Rubber Soul, Abbey Road, Help!, White Album, even Let It Be, it's very poor.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 20 November 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

'Good Morning, Good Morning', 'Lucy In The Sky... Also who really wants to hear novelties like 'When I'm 64' and 'Mr. Kite' ever again. Then there's Harrison's rubbish 'Within You..'. Rubbish

Strangely, these are all great.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think its silly for me to suggest it isn't great. That's because I prefer not to listen to it ever again. Whether the rest of the planet likes it means little to me.

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It's hard to evaluate after hearing it so many times. One way to approach it fresh is to listen to the mono version, which is just different enough to add some interest. The intro to the Sgt. Pepper reprise would make such a good sample, if it hasn't been used already. I still find that the opening harmonies of Lovely Rita are my favorite Beatles moment. Still think that Paul bashing is as reflexive as Sgt. Pepper raving.

― dlp9001, Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Within You Without You is the best thing on it by far :)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

It's boring!

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

People who insist that they hate the Beatles - C or D?

― NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 20 November 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The reason why people tend to rate John Lennon higher these days is that Lennon died at 40 while McCartney is still alive. Truth.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes i don't know what is worse -- deadheads or beatlemaniacs.

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a difference?

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, though, I can't take any 60's British rock band who were as shitty at playing R&B as the Beatles seriously.

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

b-b-but them playing it "badly" was the reason it sounded new!

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe I just said "seriously" twice in one sentence. Apologies.

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah, that makes it sound like the whole point or intention behind the band was "playing R&B" -- which surely it wasn't.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Beatles legacy going way being playing R&B. What they did was way musically superior to anything R&B has ever come close to.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

that makes it sound like the whole point or intention behind the band was "playing R&B"

Of course it wasn't. I meant that R&B was the starting point for the Beatles and most of their contemporaries, and they couldn't even do that well.

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Beatles=Minimum R&B

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

The Beatles went way beyond R&B anyway. They were always more R&B than, say, Cliff Richard or Adam Faith, true. But the most important thing is they were way more melodically and harmonically sophisticated than both Cliff Richard/Adam Faith and R&B.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The Mamas and the Papas to thread!

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

geir, geir, geir.

as far as the beatles goes in their infancy, they played crap R&B -- though to be honest I don't really like that term since what it really describes at that juncture is rock and roll played by African-Americans. the beatles didnt find their "thing" until they shifted towards Pop. sure the beatles recorded some good song. sure the beatles are Massively Influential -- but being Massively Influential isnt the same thing as being the Greatest Band Of All TIme. Quality and Influence are not always the same thing.

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"Beatles legacy going way being playing R&B. What they did was way musically superior to anything R&B has ever come close to."

WHATTHEFUQUE???????!?!?!!???!?!?!?
Lemme just say I absolutely 100% totally withoutadoubt disagree with Geir on this one!
Absolutely.

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Half of it is stinking ragtime filler or just plain stinkin'. Neither classic nor dud.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the Beatles were excellent at playing R&B

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Here’s the procedure for pretty much every time I've put on Sgt Pepper in the last 5 years

- skip the first three, start at track 4
- Getting Better -> Fixing A Hole -> She's Leaving Home -> Mr Kite (consider skipping during Mr Kite, but I usually decide to leave it just so I can hear the last 30 seconds)
- skip the next two (I don't get why everyone is so crazy about Within You)
- Lovely Rita -> Good Morning -> Sgt Pepper reprise (skipped about 50% of the time, depending on laziness) -> A Day In The Life -> Sgt Pepper inner groove (always wish I had the vinyl so I could let it play out longer)

The procedure for Revolver is pretty much "press play."

― billstevejim, Thursday, 20 November 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The best Beatles album is 'Please Please Me'.

No i'm NOT kidding.

The 2nd best is 'Beatles for Sale'.

― Pete S, Thursday, 20 November 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

like a lot of people,i used to love it (first song i can remember hearing is lucy in the sky...) but would rarely be arsed listening to it now...

― robin (robin), Thursday, 20 November 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

What's wrong with the songs from Sgt. Pepper (except Within You Without You?

― man, Thursday, 20 November 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

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Are the "best" bands always the most popular?

These polls indirectly decide the Canon, don't they?

― Michael Dubsky, Friday, 21 November 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I know he is! That's why it's funny!

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 21 November 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Sgt. Pepper very likely turned me into a music fan when I was 11

It had a similar effect on me in high school. Not that it turned me into a music fan - I was already well on my way - but that it seemed somehow like a perfect album to me - more so than any other Beatles album that I had heard at that time. I think that there is something childlike about the album, in its whimsy and sense of wonder, that perhaps appeals especially to the young. As I think about it now, it seems that one thing that might have given it an edge over the other Beatles albums for me at that time is that it is almost entirely devoid of love songs (which were anathema to me at that point in my life - and which are pretty much ubiquitous in pop music both then and now). The only song on it that could be considered a love song, "Lovely Rita", is very tongue-in-cheek. This contributes to the playful, Lewis Carroll quality of the album.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 21 November 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

taking sides: hearing Sgt Pepper for the first time when you're 12 vs when you're 24

― man, Friday, 21 November 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Are the "best" bands always the most popular?

On a longer term, I would say they are. Exactly the same way Mozart, Beethoven and Bach have made the canon because of their long term popularity.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

How long term?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 November 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(as in "How long does it take the cream to rise to the top?", so to speak)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 November 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

nate - no love songs? what about "She's Leaving Home"?! (Not coincidentally the worst track on the record)

"Lovely Rita" is great, though. Definitely my fave on there along with "Fixing A Hole" and "Getting Better".

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 21 November 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's revolver that is only 50% good. I don't see what's so special about "I'm only sleeping", "She said she said", "Good day sunshine", "Doctor Robert", "I want to tell you" or "Got to get you into my life".
-- man (ma...), November 20th, 2003.

Rock 'n' roll used to be about STICKING IT TO THE "MAN"!!!!!

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 21 November 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

She's leaving home has a lovely melody.

― man, Friday, 21 November 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a little too maudlin and heavy-handed for me...

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Long term as in at least 2-3 years. The longer the better.

Some popular albums may sell millions, and then they are forgotten. Those are not classics just because of popularity. Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Ace Of Base, Aqua and boy/girl bands belong to this category.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually my favorite from Sgt. P, happens to be 'With A Little Help'...so SURPRISE! or sumt'n.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not fan at all of "Got To Get You Into My Life" or "Yellow Submarine", but the rest of "Revolver" I do love.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Beethoven was'canonised' in his life-time, actually. And at a relatively young age.

― Pete S, Friday, 21 November 2003 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

How far away from reality is Norway, anyhow? Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston are hardly "forgotten."

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Nate, that's an excellent summation of Sgt. Pepper's appeal to the young.

I would still rank "With A Little Help From My Friends," "Getting Better" and "Good Morning, Good Morning" (which is dying for a Quasi cover version) among my favorite songs.

― mike a (mike a), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

But Geir your theory falls down when we come to the Baha men, who are musical geniuses AND sell billions.
Ditto The Cartoons.

― Pete S, Friday, 21 November 2003 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

sgt pepers is ok for a collection of wacky novelty songs. too bad the beatles were so popular, denying dr demento a chance to play them on his radio show.

― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

My first reaction to Sgt Pepper was "cool! The Wonder Years song!". I don't remember being very impressed beyond that.

― Michael Dubsky, Friday, 21 November 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston are hardly "forgotten."

But how often are their million selling albums voted into those "best albums of all time" surveys?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i dont see why they wouldn't be. it's not like a "best of all time" survey actually means best of all time, since all surveys sink towards the middle, uplifting the bland over the excellent. its the law of averages at work, turning the world into flatness. the only best of lists that mean anything are from individual people and not groups.

― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

No, those lists are a collection of albums that have proven to stand the test of time, not albums that you bought once and then buried and never listened to again.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

nate - no love songs? what about "She's Leaving Home"?!

I don't consider that a love song. I'm speaking of romantic love here. There's nothing in "She's Leaving Home" which indicates to me that it's about romantic love.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

you know on bizarro world their is a geir who listens to nothing but Ludacris.

― scott seward, Friday, 21 November 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think that Sgt Pepper has stood the test of time very well, especially compared with some other albums of that time. Not necessarily a bad thing, mind. But Sgt Pepper was hardly a visionary glimpse of the future.

Individual lists are definitely the most meaningful, as Jack mentioned.

― Michael Dubsky, Friday, 21 November 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

To those who grew up in the 60s, "Sgt. Pepper" has stood the test of time. After punk killed prog, the album may seem a bit irrelevant to younger generations, because most of the genres and bands it influenced have been considered dated since the late 70s.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir, I've taken a poll in my office and we have decided that you are the "worst Norwegian of all time" (far surpassing even Burzum, winner of the previous poll done in early May, 2001). It remains to be seen whether this poll will stand the test of time, but I would be shocked to not see you getting a lot of votes next time around. Congratulations, YOU MAY BE A TIMELESS!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Standing the test of time isn't about being "a visionary glimpse of the future".

― man, Friday, 21 November 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

to stand the test of time

The test of time! I wouldn't mind standing that.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's on The Spark.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

It's right below the MOR test.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 21 November 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I've just read all the Geir threads on ILE.
Everything we say/could ever say is redundant.
It's like trying to add to the Rock Canon after the Musical Giants have passed away into the west.

― Pete S, Friday, 21 November 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The intro to the Sgt. Pepper reprise would make such a good sample, if it hasn't been used already.

Beastie Boys use it on Paul's Boutique, somewhere in the "B-Boy Boullabaisse" section (they also layer guitars from Abbey Road over it--from the song "The End").

― s woods, Friday, 21 November 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not interested in listening to it all the way through. I like the sound of the guitars on the first cut, but I usually end up disappointed when I listen to the whole thing.

The songs I like:

"With a Little Help from My Friends"
"Getting Better"
"Fixing a Hole"
"Lovely Rita"
"Good Morning, Good Morning"

Almost "A Day in the Life," but it's too uneven for me.

Maybe I can say more about why I like these songs at some point.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 21 November 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

There's something kind of eastern/trance-compatible about these rhythms. They soaked up something from Indian music pretty quickly, I think. But it doesn't really remind me of Indian rhythms per se. To tell you the truth, it's weird how many of these songs have rhythms that remind of trance music from Baluchistan. (That's true in some songs from other albums.) There's that kind of chiming sound, too, that turns up a lot, like a ding ding ding ding, that I definitely go for.

And their guitar sounds: to the music historians out there, isn't it true that there's a fair amount of novelty in some of the elecric guitar sounds here? I haven't listened to a fraction of the 60's rock that many of you have heard, but I do think the Beatles repeatedly came up with fresh sounds.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 21 November 2003 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

(I feel really pretentious for mentioning trance music of Baluchistan. I don't even like the two recordings I have of it, but it was great when I saw it live. I don't think I'll be seeing that again soon, since that's part of the world that's been turned upside down in recent years. Osama bin Laden could very well be hiding out in Baluchistan.)

But: "It's Getting Better" There it is, that chime-y sort of ding ding rhythm.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 21 November 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, my first listen to the whole thing in probably over a decade. And it's a lot of fun. Like I posted elsewhere, weird and rubbery bass, trash-can sounding cymbals, buzzy guitars (don't know how novel RS, but definitely idiosyncratic), and the whimsy isn't as irritating as I'd remembered--more playful than cutesy. A way more interesting, self-deprecating, and pranksterish record than the one Rolling Stone keeps canonizing.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Friday, 21 November 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I think there's something pleasantly loose in the drumming and the rhythms in general (even though the basic rhythms are pretty simple).

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 21 November 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir, I've taken a poll in my office and we have decided that you are the "worst Norwegian of all time" (far surpassing even Burzum, winner of the previous poll done in early May, 2001).

Doesn't anyone remember Vidkun Quisling?

― Tim Smirn, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

The movie with the BeeGees and Framto is on Sundance right now. I've never seen it .. It's WAY worse than I imagined. Pretty fucking horrible!

― D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I remember starting this thread, one of the first ten I did.

I'd describe it now as:

Come together, right now, over meme.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Apparently, John Lennon's melodies are "underwritten," and Paul is just too damn happy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/opinion/03mann.html

― Nathan, Sunday, 3 June 2007 03:49 (eighteen years ago)

the jauntiness I used to love as a girl feels as if it’s covering up a sadder subtext

Sounds like it's entirely Aimee Mann's problem. I listened to the record four times last night and it sounded jaunty as ever. i even wore my hat cocked at a jaunty angle as though I were preparing for a jaunt! I did!

Lennon's melodies were always a little underwritten compared to McCartney's. I don't think it's an artistic failing. I see it as restraint to balance out McCartney's exuberance.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Sunday, 3 June 2007 04:22 (eighteen years ago)

a cultural touchstone idon't feel like revisiting very often, but it was a very filling meal once.

― Frogman Henry, Sunday, 3 June 2007 04:53 (eighteen years ago)

....which is pretty much what mann said.

― Frogman Henry, Sunday, 3 June 2007 05:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, why didn't you listen to what the Mann said?

― dlp9001, Sunday, 3 June 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

I still say this is their Balochistan trance music album.

― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 3 June 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

More than half of this album is Paul. I feel like this was his project for the most part, and everyone else just filled in the gaps.

― billstevejim, Sunday, 3 June 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

My mistake.. Paul and George Martin's project.

― billstevejim, Sunday, 3 June 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

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