Phil Spector Charged With Murder

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― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

This is a grubby thing indeed...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Shittt. No, Phil, no!

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

holy crap, it's take down the music bizz week.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

It looked like that was going to be the case a few weeks back -- is odd that it's happening right now, but hey, that's procedural matters for you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Or just total coicidence

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I was gonna say, didn't they announce this months ago?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, there's a Michael Jackson thing on CNN at the moment.

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, they took a second to announce the Spector thing. Really, it's quite a week for Phil: Starsailor record and Beatles "Naked" record coming out, murder charges. He must be plum tuckered out.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I was under the impression he was acquitted.

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I believe they found that the woman had committed suicide, after the initial hub-bub. But I guess when the evidence proved otherwise, they decided that Phil and his mullet toupee were responsible.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

He wasn't acquitted - he was never tried. They just let him go until they had enough evidence to charge him. Apparently, they've got it now?

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

It would seem that way, yes.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

What Dave said -- he was released from initial custody but the police were always clear that the investigation was ongoing. Spector crowed about it as being vindication, but that was incredibly naive of him.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I think this is awfully convenient, coinciding as it does with the release of Starsailor's new album (w/tracks produced by Phil)

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe all those people are right about Pop music...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

they found enough evidence to have a trial. however flimsy it is, still need a trial to sort everything out. kinda like that kobe thing a couple weeks ago. judge said evidence was pretty shitty, but you know. judicial system being what it is.. phil will have his day in court.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't you think it's a little early to say that the evidence seems "flimsy," if that, indeed, is what you're saying?

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

but the whole thing about her committing suicide all began cuz of a letter by spector himself, who clearly is not the man to be trusting in this situation. the police, as far as i know, NEVER bought into that theory.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you guys heard that Starsailor track? It's AWFUL.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

phil hasn't done anything decent in about 2,000 years. Correction: Phil hasn't done anything in 2,000 years. The big thrill left is predicting what wig he'll wear on the stand.

Maybe they could put him in a cell with Wacko. Ebony and Ivory indeed.

― rumple, Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Hush you now.

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh and: http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2034014

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm, Sarah, pre-haps you should put on your Hi-Heeled Sneakers, head over to Hacienda Del Spectoro and pay your respects over a final free-world meal? I suggest you bring your Glock, and don't let The Big Little Man show you "the best way to clean the barrel."

Suggested dinner musique: "Last Date," Floyd Cramer.

― rumple, Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, do you have a sign, too?

"call for Sarah Pedal on the Robertblakeophone"

― rumple, Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you guys heard that Starsailor track? It's AWFUL.

Tut-tut. An enterprising record company and p.r. firm could easily refurbish it to capitalize even more on the Phil angle.

Like:
Silence Is Easy (Upon Tasting My Lead)
b/w

She Understands (My Love of Weapons)

― George Smith, Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

pull the trigger NOW, SP. Phil's mad you're taller.

rip jack nitzsche

― rumple, Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Let It Be Naked, just in time.

Next up, Jackson 4 re-issues and Disney rides with rotoscoped 3D Chris Tucker faces.

― Michael G, Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw a record set today called 'Ultimate Silence'.

4 CDs worth of music...

― Patrick Kinghorn, Thursday, 20 November 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Phil will be able to wear wigs anymore - prison regulations and all.

― Debito (Debito), Thursday, 20 November 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you think Michael and Phil might end up sharing a cell?

― Debito (Debito), Thursday, 20 November 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/andy1.jpg

― Cheerful Nihilist Grocery Store (mjt), Thursday, 20 November 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, it's phil & michael's baby

― rumple, Friday, 21 November 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/yakidk.jpg
Try again, that one-liner was not good enough.

― Manuela Kamosi (mjt), Friday, 21 November 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

promise not to use that fucking picture again if I do?

― rumple, Friday, 21 November 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

This is Michael Jackson's until presently unknown daugther then?
http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/yakidk.jpg

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

How that 'Geir Sings The Blues (But In A Pop Kinda Way') project coming?

― rumple, Friday, 21 November 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"He shot me and it felt like a kiss"

― dave q, Friday, 21 November 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

ten months pass...

he's goin down.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040927/482/la10409271930

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 27 September 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://feedthefish.org//audio/surferghost.mp3

― wilcoxt@colorado.edu, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

quite sad how this funny anecdote of leonard cohen from the sessions to death of a ladies' man which spector produced (& fucked up totally) turned sour in the light of the events:

"And at a certain point Phil approached me with a bottle of Manishewitz kosher red wine in one hand and a 45 in the other, put his arm around my shoulder and shoved a revolver into my neck and said, "Leonard, I love you". I said, "I hope you do, Phil". "

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20050107/en_nm/crime_spector_dc

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 7 January 2005 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

She Understands (My Love of Weapons)

Grand jury testimony re Spector investigation, from today's LA Times:

Spector to responding police officer: "What's wrong with you guys? What are you doing? I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident."

Spector to his chauffer: "I think I killed somebody."

Spector to Deborah Strand, who asked him to leave her party in Beverly Hills in 1999: "What are you going to say now?" while pointing a handgun at her.

"Two women who dated Spector in the 1990s testified that, in separate instances, the producer used a gun to keep them from leaving his Alhambra home and a posh New York hotel room."

― George Smith, Friday, 7 January 2005 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

holy f, I met PS's assistant recently.

― roit gaer, Friday, 7 January 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

she was nice, maybe a little weird.

― roit gaer, Friday, 7 January 2005 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050523/capt.la10305232138.phil_spector_la103.jpg?x=265&y=345&sig=OXqt7hBweiFE5lIJRLDDsA--

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 26 May 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

He's got an afro now!

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 26 May 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

OMG he looks like a dandelion!

― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 26 May 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

The hair is meant to distract you from the enormous buttons.

― diedre mousedropping and a quarter (Dave225), Thursday, 26 May 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

> they found enough evidence to have a trial. however flimsy it is, still need a trial to sort everything out. kinda like that kobe thing a couple weeks ago. judge said evidence was pretty shitty, but you know. judicial system being what it is.. phil will have his day in court.

This is quite old I know, but this is VERY incorrect. Prosecutors like to have high conviction rates (many are elected), and will not take a trial to court unless they think they can get a conviction, especially in a high-profile case. They also see money spent on a trial that doesn't yield a conviction as wasted. This is why charges are frequently dropped against people when there is little evidence but a high likelihood of guilt, and also why plea bargaining down to lesser charges for a plea of guilty is so common - on paper, both strategies make a prosecutor seem more effective.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 26 May 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

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