Premonitions & Conspiracy Theories in Music.

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/jaz/jaz72tn.JPG


Behind a coat of arms and guilded lies - know.
The crown prepares the sacrifice
And she prepares to die oh
Radiant and beautiful she's taken in her prime
Oh executioner atone for all your crimes now

- from "Blood On Your Hands" by Killing Joke.

Written and released about a year before the Paul Burril-released letter in late October that documented Princess Diana's own prediction of her untimely demise, it certainly gives one pause. Might Jaz not be full of shit after all?

What other examples of art pre-dating life can you name?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck says in Accidental Evolution Of Rock'N'Roll that Bob Dylan prophecied Madonna and Bushwick Bill long before they arrived (I forget which song mentions the One-Eyed Midget but Madonna shows up in "Visions Of Johanna"). He mentions a BUNCH of others cases in the book too.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

also ref diana check lyrics to the queen is dead by the smiths

spoooooooooooky

P.Penn, Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It may simply be morbid projection, but Jeff Buckley seemed to predict his own watery snuff-out on more than one occaission.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

...likewise Nick Drake.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

...and Ian Curtis.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

...and Kurt Cobain.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

...and Elliott Smith.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

..and Notorious B.I.G

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick Drake's "Fruit Tree"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

um, major x-post

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

http://fusionanomaly.net/jazcoleman.gif

Jaz is beautiful.

Aja (aja), Saturday, 22 November 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"One day, al-Taba'i tells us, that Asmahan, himself, and their friend Jamal Jabr were driving from Cairo out to Ras al-Barr. . . . The road ran through an isolated landscape, with an irrigation ditch along the side. Asmahan was driving, and practicing a new qasida, set by Zakariyya Ahmad to the lofty medieval poetry of Abu al'-Ma'arri. Her beautiful middle tones rang out:

Ghayra majdin fi millati wa i'tiqadi
Nuhu bakin wa la tranimu shadi,

(Nothing but glory in my sect, or beliefs
[Neithe] wailing, crying, nor reciting my praises)

She reached another verse, and began:

Sahi. . . hadhihi quburna tumla]an al-rihab
Fa'ayna al-qubur min 'ahdi 'Ad?

(My friend, these are our graves which fill up the cemetery
So where is the grave from the era of 'Ad? [a pre-Islamic Arabian society])

Suddenly, the lyrics fell from her hand, and she slumped at the wheel. Her companions grabbed control of the car. Her face was sallow as she emerged from near-faint. She told her companions that she had the most unusual sensation--she had suddenly heard the distinctive music of a Druze funeral procession, just as it would have sounded in Suwayda, mixing with the sounds of the old mill the processions wended by. Al-Taba'i noted their locations: the incident took place in the same section of the road where her car would crash four years later [leading to her death]." The car crash itself was mysterious, the chauffeur managing to survive more or less uninjured, while Asmahan ended up drowning after the car plunge into water. In Asmahan's Secrets by Sherifa Zuhur, several theories about who might have had Asmahan killed are presented.

*

Then there's the Monte Cazazza/Tana Emmolo-Smith track, "Prescient Dreams," in which they read a passage from Mary Cervenka's (Exene's sister) diary which seemed to predict her own death in a car crash.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 22 November 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Tupac and Biggie's prescience confused even themselves. To pick probably the most famous example, Pac and his boys thought that Biggie's "Who Shot Ya" was about Pac getting shot (non-fatally) in Manhattan. Too many details matched. But Biggie had written it months before.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 22 November 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Kurt Cobain once wrote a song called 'I Hate Myself And Want To Die'. I was like "no way!" when I first heard that.

Totally. Spooky.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 22 November 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Kurt Cobain once wrote a song called 'I Hate Myself And Want To Die'.

I thought that was going to be the name of the album In Utero.

Aja (aja), Saturday, 22 November 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but it's easy to be prescient about one's own suicide.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 22 November 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Ian Curtis's lyrics were more a symptom of the same thing that led to his suicide than a premonition, I would think.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 22 November 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/WTCcoupTheyKNEW.jpg

Does this count?

David A. (Davant), Sunday, 23 November 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It may simply be morbid projection, but Jeff Buckley seemed to predict his own watery snuff-out on more than one occaission.

And to increase the spooky factor, you could make the case his own father predicted it when he wrote "Song to the Siren". (How's that for morbid projection?)

David A. (Davant), Sunday, 23 November 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

if you listen to Magazine's "Real Life" and imagine it to be from the point of view of Lee Harvey Oswald, you have quite a JFK assassination paranoia epic. Sort of the CIA-Tommy.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 23 November 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Sonic Youth's soundtrack Made in USA has a song titled "O.J.'s Glove or What?" -- it came out in 1986.

All Music link

Michael Patrick Brady (Michael Patrick Brady), Sunday, 23 November 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

An Xtian explained to me while I was cornered working in a music shop once - "The most profound song ever is Nazareth's 'Vancouver Shakedown'. 'Nazareth' is obvious. 'Shakedown' refers to the earth splitting open - earthquakes, geddit? 'Vancouver' is in 'BC'"

dave q, Sunday, 23 November 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"Now, the Bible says the soldiers of the Antichrist will come from a snow-covered socialist northern dictatorship, which people mistakenly believed to be the USSR. Check this out however." Hands me Vancouver phone directory. "Open it to the Government Departments listings." Sure as fuck, all the numbers start with...have a fuckin' guess.

dave q, Sunday, 23 November 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Check out "Insignificance" on the Mekons' "Retreat From Memphis".

peepee (peepee), Sunday, 23 November 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul McCartney's dead body to thread.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 November 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

dave q, you need to put that message out for the whole world.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 23 November 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
this thread is spooky and makes me think rawk is somehow in league w/ the darkness that is covering our eyes...

or not.

eedd, Saturday, 25 June 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

I am working on something and would love to know of any songs, lines, references to any form of conspiracy theory, i.e. Kennedy, MLK, UFOs, 9/11, etc...I've got "Books About UFOs" although that's actually tangential. Diamond Dogs has some Burroughs-ian paranoia, of course there is the whole Paul is Dead/backwards masking stuff, but would love any and all references, however in passing. Thanks in advance...

iago g., Friday, 22 January 2010 01:16 (sixteen years ago)

If you listen to Magazine's "Real Life" and imagine it to be from the point of view of Lee Harvey Oswald, you have quite a JFK assassination paranoia epic. Sort of the CIA-Tommy.
― Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:55 AM (6 years ago)

Oh my God! Tell me more, I just looked at the song list and am thinking you aren't kidding...sounds cool.

iago g., Friday, 22 January 2010 01:19 (sixteen years ago)

"11 mph" by Was (Not Was) is all about the JFK assassination

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 22 January 2010 01:33 (sixteen years ago)

Also...

"Family Snapshot" by Peter Gabriel was inspired by George Wallace assassin Arthur Bremer's diary. Devo's "I Desire" has lyrics taken from John Hinckley, Jr. poems.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 22 January 2010 01:36 (sixteen years ago)

And hell, the MC5 figure into The Illuminatus Trilogy too.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 22 January 2010 01:37 (sixteen years ago)

Thanks, Elvis! Jam packed posts, will check them out

iago g., Friday, 22 January 2010 01:38 (sixteen years ago)

Check this out however." Hands me Vancouver phone directory. "Open it to the Government Departments listings." Sure as fuck, all the numbers start with...have a fuckin' guess.

Um....873?

everything, Friday, 22 January 2010 09:12 (sixteen years ago)

Eric B & Rakim's Casualties of War, written about a muslim GI returning from the first Gulf War, is weirdly prophetic.

So I wait for terrorists to attack
Every time a truck backfires I fire back
I look for shelter when a plane is over me
Remember Pearl Harbor? New York could be over, G
Kamikaze, strapped with bombs

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 22 January 2010 09:51 (sixteen years ago)


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.