Which of these albums should I buy first

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Minutemen - Double nickels on the dime
The Fall - This nations saving grace, Live at the Witch trials
Frank Black - Black letter days
Husker Du - Flip your wig
Charles Mingus- Blues & roots
Supersuckers - any??
13th Floor elevators - Easter everywhere
Fugazi - In on the kill taker, Red Medicine
Melvins - Houdini
Spacemen 3 - perfect prescription

yaeger, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Tough call, but I'd go with Easter Everywhere.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Live At The Witch Trials has some good tunes.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I can vouch for "This nation's saving grace".

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, you're gonna get some pretty divergent opinions here (to wit, some would say no "Perfect Prescription" without the Elevators, so...,) but I reckon there are four or five you should get in short order:

"Easter Everywhere"
"Blues and Roots,"
"Double Nickels..." (I was just listening to this yesterday...shits all over Fugazi, and for my money The Fall,)
"The Perfect Prescription" (I myself might buy this first.)
"Flip Your Wig"
"This Nation's..." (Since the Minutemen comment means no disrespect to the Fall, really.)

You should be verrrry happy with the above, really...any and all.

M Specktor (M Specktor), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"Double Nickels on The Dime" is the best record in that bunch and I have them all except anything by the Supersuckers.

The two Fall records are good, but not their best.

"Blues and Roots" is one of Mingus' better records, but I'd still go with The Minutemen.

You won't go wrong with any in that list except the Spacemen 3, but I am not a big fan of that one and there are plenty of people around here that would disagree. "Black Letter Days" is OK, but probably below S3 one to my way of thinking.

earlnash, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally I'd go for 13th Fl Elevators. I never really quite liked Fugazi on record - on the stage is quite an other thing. Oh throw in Here Come The Warm Jets.

nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd go for "Nations saving grace" first then "Red medcine" and then "Flip your wig"

Michael B, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

that FB album is really good and only about a year old.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Blues and Roots

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm throwing my 2cents in for 'Easter Everywhere'.
has remained in my 'top5 of all time' for many many years now.

'This Nation's Saving Grace' is up there in my fave Fall albums too, so i'd consider that an essential purchase for the near future.

as far as the Supersuckers goes, i'd go for 'La Mano Cornuda' first from the albums 'proper', but the comp 'How The Supersuckers Became The Greatest Rock And Roll Band In History' is pretty damn essential cos it rounds up most of the album highlights plus a load of stuff from 7"s and shit (including their awesome version of 'Dead Homiez')

ian johno (ian johno), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The 13th Floor Elevators is being reissued on Sunspots soon, so it might be worth holding off on that one. I assume they are being remastered.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say its a coin-toss between This Nation's Saving Grace and Double Nickels on the Dime.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Double Nickels or Easter Everywhere.

But change your choices to Mingus Ah Um, Zen Arcade or New Day Rising and Perverted By Language or Grotesque and then I'd be totally stumped. You've got some revelatory listening ahead of you BTW!

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

That is a tough call, but my personal favorite from the list is Fugazi's Red Medicine. That's one of my favorite rock albums in general.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: You can't go wrong with This Nation's Saving Grace, but you should maybe avoid that particular Frank Black album. I don't know how familiar you are with Frank's solo albums, but you're much better off with the self-titled one or Teenager Of The Year.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Fugazi
2. Spacemen
3. Minutemen
4. The Fall

Also, Flip You Whig is okay but if you don't own New Day Rising or Zen Arcade you should get those first. I think I even like Warehouses better that FYW.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Ben = otm, though Flip Yr Wig has Green Eyes on it...

...pretty green eyes...

ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah "Green Eyes" is badass.

Doesn't Coldplay have a song called "Green Eyes" too?

ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, Fuck Coldplay. All Caps.

ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

As In: Fuck Coldplay, Do The Du

ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

what are you looking for? then I'll give you an opinion.

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Tough call between Live At The Witch Trials and Double Nickels On The Dime.

This Nations Saving Grace comes 3rd.

Matthew's absolutely right about the Frank Black albums (the s/t one would nudge This Nations Saving Grace into 4th)

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The two REAL big ones on that list, IMO, are "Double nickels on the dime" and "Blues & roots"
The Melvins album is pretty good too, but I'd definitely go for those two first.
As for which to get first, depensd whether you want some catchy poppy punk rock or some catchy gospely blues/jazz. Not my favorite Mingus album, but it swings till it smokes. Great, great stuff!

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Blues and Roots

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Please do not listen to anyone who tells you to buy Blues And Roots or any of Charles Mingus' Atlantic albums for that matter.

First you should buy Ah Um, The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady and Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus.

Then, when you're hooked, buy the Passions Of A Man boxset, which includes everything he recorded for Atlantic!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Stewart is right about the Mingus records.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I agree with Osborne. Everything on the box is neato, so don't do like me and end up purchasing the albums one at a time.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Huskers!

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

How you can hate on Blues and Roots is beyond me. Is it not 'jazz' enough for you or som'n?

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

MINUTEMEN!!!!!!

chad (chad), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Mingus or the Melvins.

James

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

if the minuteman is the double LP then get that.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"How you can hate on Blues and Roots is beyond me. Is it not 'jazz' enough for you or som'n?"

Uh....Who has said anything against Blues & Roots, other than suggesting that it's folly to buy the album when you need the entire boxset?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

live at the witch trials,

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno about the Mingus- but for the rock, I think nothing's as as essential as the Minutemen and 13th Floor Elevators.

sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Double Nickels, or Red Medicine and a beer or three with the change

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

mingus

qwqwqwqwqw (qwqwqwqwqw), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

many mingus albums sound so different from each other -- Mingus Revisited is plain weird, Black Saint straight ahead skewed with constant bittersweat weirdness (though i reckon you only play side one or side two at one sitting, so it's more half an lp), Town Hall 1964 extraordinary live sound, Ah Um & Mingus Mingus used to be on this twofer, so i can't tell them apart (Haitian Fight Song preferable to Goodbye Pork Pie (Hat) though, imo)

a list of mingus albums that aren't interesting would be useful

like many people i know, i can't relate to New Day Rising, but that same everybody agrees about Zen Arcade and Flip Your Wig (the latter is my favourite HD, for its concise pop and what seems like a last gasp before the split with SST and the new duller Warner Brothers sound of Candy Apple Grey and JesusMaryChain alignment)

i agree that any of the original 13th floor sessions are very worthy, even if they sound a little quaint these days -- i was underwhelmed by some of Easter Everywhere, but then i don't like one side of Bull of the Woods as much as i love the other, either

and i think s/t and Teenager of the Year are the best efforts from Frank immediately following the pixies, if that's what you like about frank black

for my money live at the witch trials is too early (tentative, dull formulaic songs, weirdly tame) and nations saving grace too late (formulaic songs, attempted pop music, predictably tame) for that whole fall era, as though those albums are bookends

(i have no idea whether you have those other albums anyway, and the melvins, spaceman3 and fugazi mean nothing to me -- i'm saving getting Double Nickels for later, for the ultimate Minutemen bathe-in, as so many have promised it is)

george gosset (gegoss), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

buy the new pluramon album ahead of any of these!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Love - Forever Changes

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going out on a limb and saying "In on the Kill Taker." Rocks harder than they'd ever rocked before, and hands you a relatively smaller pile of shit.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

If you can't afford the Mingus Atlantic box set, then get Mingus At Antibes and Mingus Oh Yeah ahead of any of the other Atlantics, although really you need them all, so just save up for the bloomin' box set ach...

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I currently have "Blues and Roots", "This Nation's Saving Grace" & "Double Nickels"... all certainly of some worth. Markedly different sorts of music, so difficult to pick one over t' other, but currently "Blues & Roots" (though via box set maybe).

Pluramon sounds magnificent from MC's discussion of it on his blog... i shall get it soon, though a shame it's not in HMV or Fopp or seemingly any Cambridge record shop... HMV Online maybe seems the way to go.

Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 27 November 2003 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

blues and roots is the only one of these i've heard,but its really really good
i like the 13th floor elevators as well,though i only know a few tracks

robin (robin), Thursday, 27 November 2003 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"a list of mingus albums that aren't interesting would be useful"

The "Thirteen Pictures" comp. is a bit of a dog and anyone interested in starting to explore Mingus' work and thinking this might be a good place to start will be well advised to give it a wide berth.

I can't quite put my finger on why but it just fails to do him any sort of justice whatsoever. This is particularly odd because Rhino are ususally so good at that sort of thing - and it's not as if there wasn't a wealth of wonderful material for them to choose from - but they certainly seem to have made a pigs breakfast of it.

Incidentally, I saw the Charles Mingus Orchestra at the Royal Festival Hall last week and they were amazing; please go and see them if they're playing anywhere near you.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 27 November 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)


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