Another in a long parade of threads about Lists, the Canon, Tokenism, 'Segregated' Album lists, and stream of conciousness babbling...

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I was thinking about the lists again....
and here's the chain of thoughts in the order that they occured:

1) ILM hates how all these tired old Grebtest Albums Evah lists in Rolling Stone and Pitchfork.
2) I can see why. All these records are just wall to wall Smelly Old Hippees (in RS's case) and Corny Indie FuX0rs (in Pitchfork's case) because they stick to just (Classic Rock|Indie Rock) when they make their lists.
3) Then I said to myself. "Well then, RS should put a 100 Grebtest Rock Rekkids list in one issue and a 100 Grebtest not-Rock Rekkid next issue."
4) but then I stopped myself. "Holy shit! Am I honestly saying to myself that the lists should be 'segregated'? Not only is that a dumb thing to think, it's also impossible!"
5) "This would never work even if they attempted it. The borderlines between genres is so *porous and paper thin* nowadays that splitting it into two lists would be fruitless and futile."
6) "I mean that just from the point of view of logistics and effeciency...This doesn't even factor in any kind of 'Race', 'Class', 'Gender' issues that would inevitably arise when trying to seperate all blues/rock/hip-hop/indie/funk/jazz/metal/pop/punk/rock/soul/ into two different supercategories."
7) "So do we keep peppering the same tired list of Canonically blessed same-as-it-evah-was records with a smattering of Canonically blessed tokens or..."

[...at this point, I struggled to find a completing clause for that thought. and after about 40 seconds of deep reflection, all I could come up with was..."]

8) "Maybe it would shock the living shit out of the complacent RS readers if Jann Wenner snuck in the editors from a bunch of jazz/hip-hop/latin/klemzer/gavelan magazines and had *them* write up a list, and publish it with Jann Wenner's byline. Then pepper it (towards the end of the list) with a few token, stale Canon Classics..."
9) "...and watch the fur fly after the RS readers wrote in angry letters!"
10) Crazy Hippee Snob: " 'Revolver ends up at #86! 86!? Are you high! Don't you know that Revolver is [Insert tired boilerplate about it's greatness here].' "
11) "Then a blood vessel in the hippees brain explodes."
12) "...and I laugh hysterically."

Your mission is to either continue this train of thought (or comment on the above)
You may begin your attack run......nnnnnow!

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

So how bout them Dodgers.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

They are Corny Indie FuX0rs

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

They would be.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

So how bout them Dodgers.
They're bums. They can't play fer shit.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I am still wondering why you guys define "A Kind of Blue", "What's Going On" and "Bitches Brew", plus a couple blues efforts, as "rock" albums.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

where in the name of that RS list does it say "rock albums" as opposed to "albums," Geir?

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, look at the title. it says "500 Greatest Albums of All Time." "rock" isn't mentioned.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

to Matos: This might be the problem. RS sez they "Greatest Albums" but they really mean "Greatest Rock Albums made between 1963 and 1979 with a few things from elsewhere thrown in to make the list seem vaguely exotic."
Granted they'd have to use a smaller typeface to fit that on the front cover.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

MM, I think you both should be grinding that particular axe with Custos.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(also: meta-question...does my thread title sound a bit too snide?)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously. I mean, if the list covered the 500 Greatest rock albums of all time, then there would be no jazz, no funk, no R&B, no soul. And no The Beatles either btw.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(haha I just realized "in the name of that RS list" sounds like the RS list is God or something! "Stop, in the name of that RS list!" "In the name of that RS list, I smite thee!")

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan--why? it's not an axe, it's a semantical question.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, because you and Geir are reacting against the same thing (Custos' arbitrary designation of the RS list as a list of rock albums).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

ah. Geir had asked the same question on the other thread so I was responding to that more than Custos's.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

(pssst--I haven't read Custos's entire introduction yet. don't tell him, though.)

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(okay, I wont.)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(thanks!)

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.waelchli.ch/coulier,Dave.jpg

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Casting "Banishment"

FFSTZZZZTHT!

Dammit, Dave Coulier is still here! FUCK!

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

― Christian Rawk (Christian Rawk), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, I forget; is free love and long hair good or bad?

― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Long hair = bad
Free love = always good

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Long hair = bad

Ahem.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't say always.

PS GET A HAIRCUT HIPPY!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

WAH

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

*sneaks up behind crying Ned with a pair of shears*

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Billy Shears?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I figure just let them aging Rolling Stone readers have their damn list. The magazine, despite its best efforts, has long been a relic, propping up irrelevant greybeards while ignoring much of the current milieu.
But that's what they do, letting the Boomers feel that their three or four years of free love and long hair were the crux of the latter half of the 20th century.
Ouch.
I tried to avoid saying that at the beginning of this thread because I thought it might not be 100% true.
Unfortunately, I'm having great difficulty thinking up a cogent rebuttal to it.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

also:
Raver Chicks on 'E' > Hippie Chicks on Acid.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Custos is the King of Formatting.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

and I knight Sir Mann as my Thane.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

*sneaks up behind crying Ned with a pair of shears*

NED: [moaning] Ohhhh...I hate it! I hate it!

ILM: Well, of course you hate it, Ned, it's not finished yet!

NED: It's finished as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.bebosh.com/youngones/cash11.jpg http://www.bebosh.com/youngones/cash12.jpg

NED: At least this way I'm still half fashionable.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Madman! (Mostly because I am so not Neil fergodsake.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wow - uncool! Heavy bummer!

OK guys, don't like, bring Ned down and hassle him, right?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

And remember that sleep gives you cancer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

roffle

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Friday, 21 January 2005 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Billy Shears:

http://www.langendorfkloeppel.de/bilder/S500500.jpg

― OleM (OleM), Friday, 21 January 2005 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

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