Club Fandango In London / Camden - Why?

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Hi there - A band I am looking after have been offered a gig at Club Fandango in Camden. I have heard that the promoter is a bit of a dickhead and because of that a few (big) magazines won't review bands that have played at any of the Fandango nights because of his attitude. Does anyone here on this board know anything about this? Is the guy a twat or not? Any help would be greatfully recieved and I am sorry to use this board for a thing like this, it's just I know that there re a bunch of UK industry types on it.
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Melon, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

This sounds like odd advice. If by promoter you mean Simon "Fierce Panda" Williams, you couldn't be more wrong, as far as I'm concerned at least - he's a lovely fella and I have nothing but nice things to say about the several times we've met.

Is Fandango still running at The Dublin Castle or has it migrated elsewhere? Either way, whether it's Simon or not, anyone suggesting that a few (big) magazines won't review bands that have played at any of the Fandango nights because of his attitude sounds suspiciously like they're a. full of shit and b. pissed off with the promoter for some reason other than his personality.

It's hugely unlikely that a magazine would veto an entire night - and which "big" magazines are they talking about anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Uncut or Q reviewing a tiny Camden show in the first place, and Bang/X-Ray aren't yet sufficiently established to be so picky or petty.

Also, bear in mind that to ban reviewing *all* former fandango artists would most likely include some pretty big bands! It's been going a good while, and the Fierce Panda connection means they've no doubt nurtured some burgeoning talent in their time.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Never had a problem with the guy. Also, promoters deserve more slack than magazines

dave q, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember him on a sunday's the first year that Xfm started - pre Capital - did an excellent show - he resigned because the xfm mngt said his show was too alternative ! they wanted to change his show.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

fierce panda is the best label in britain

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Simon Williams is a top guy and well liked by pretty much everyone. Magazines don't give a fuck who's promoting a gig, they will review it if it's worth reviewing, and won't if it's not, so whatever you've been told is, frankly, bollocks

mog, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Fandango is run by Fierce Panda/Temptation boss Simon Williams, formerly an NME staffer. It's a good gig for a new band: a decent-sized crowd and a chance to impress Simon, who's in a postition to put out a single or two if he really likes your band. Never heard a bad word against the fella and find it highly unlikely that any mag would boycott the night. NME certainly doesn't.

On the subject of Fierce Panda, it is something of an indie trojan horse isn't it? I notice they're putting out a single by the distinctly mainstream Keane for example. Like Embrace/Hut before them, it seems that Keane's major label wants to use FP to give them a bit of indie cachet later on.

laticsmon (laticsmon), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Doubtless (see also Coldplay), but who in the real world gives a fuck? I'm sure Simon wouldn't put out a record he didn't like, no matter which label was knocking at the door, and if he sees good in the (utterly useless) Keane, so be it...

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

but isn't that the point?

Simon can sell out however much he puts out of Keane/Coldplay.. keep rereleasing them when he needs the money, and then put the money he gets in to putting out other more obscure artists.

jellybean (jellybean), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Unless I'm very much mistaken, Fierce Panda made fuck all money out of that Coldplay single, sadly.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of the records are limited editions aren't they? I didn't think the Coldplay one was currently available, not that I've had any call to pay attention.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"Simon can sell out however much he puts out of Keane/Coldplay.. keep rereleasing them when he needs the money, and then put the money he gets in to putting out other more obscure artists."

So does this sit perfectly comfortably with the indie ethic nowadays? A friend of mine who runs a small label was offered to act in a similar fashion for the occasional Hut band and rejected it out of hand. I'm sure the money would have come in handy, though...

laticsmon (laticsmon), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I think it comes a comprimise between having the money to release things, or your record label dying due to a lack of funds. Most indie (on very small labels) releases don't even manage to break even.

jellybean (jellybean), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

It doesn't work like that though. Panda, and other independent labels, offer Keane/Coldplay/whoever two-or-three single deal, relatively small number of pressings, initial press exposure etc. Two singles on, band signs to bigger label with loads of cash to throw at them, Panda is left behind with no real claim to any of the money from subsequent career.

Equally - surely there are legal issues to releasing old singles by a band when they are signed to another label?

Why is no one accepting that Keane or Coldplay might have had records released on Panda because Simon Williams LIKED them?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard from a friend that Panda were paid by the major to release Coldplay or something. I don't know if that was true though, cos this was a while ago...

jellybean (jellybean), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that Hut wanted to use my mate's label to make their act seem more indie suggests that they do the same thing with Fierce Panda - ie, pay them to release a low-key debut single.

On the other hand, if Simon released a single and the band went on to sign a major deal LATER, he would own the copyright to the first single and would be due a big wedge should they subsequently want to license it for a greatest hits.

But come on: how could he possibly like Keane?

laticsmon (laticsmon), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Why is no one accepting that Keane or Coldplay might have had records released on Panda because Simon Williams LIKED them?

I said exactly that Matt... it strikes me that Simon has the sort of ear for a future to-be-huge band that could see him employed by any major on the planet, but that's not the point.

But come on: how could he possibly like Keane?

A glance through the FP back catalogue will tell you the answer to that one, I think.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"A glance through the FP back catalogue will tell you the answer to that one"

Hmm: for every Embrace and bluetones there's been a KaitO or Magoo. To be honest, knowing his taste from his writings in NME, something like the Furtureheads would be more his bag than Keane. He was the king of "minged out of their mong quirk-pop. On drugs"-type nonsense.

laticsmon (laticsmon), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

That was pretty much my point - he seems receptive to most anything with a guitar on it. A lot of it complete shite, but there you go.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Fierce Panda just reminds me of Small Wonder for a different era. Not surprising it releases what it does (and that includes the final Kitchens of Distinction single, so good on them).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i quite like Keane. i honestly don't believe FP have released a record i don't really like, with the exception of that horrible Capdown record.

note that FP are completely independent now. if it takes a Coldplay single (which was only deleted recently, i think there are quite a few thousand copies of the CD single out there) to keep them afloat then so be it.

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)


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