Hip-hop is about to die

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The reasons?

The most popular male rapper is a white guy with a typical white trash background who has a lot of middle aged middle class fans that have never before even remotely cared about hip-hop

The most popular female rapper is partly a singer, and her lyrical theme is quite familiar: Everything was sooo much better in the good old days, while today everything is just shit. Heard it before? :-)

The most popular rap duo's latest album is a prog-influenced double concept album where half of the tracks hardly contain any rapping at all.

All of these three acts appeal to a lot of critics who have previously not been particularly into rap or hip-hop at all.

And the fact that I - an archetypical hip-hop-hater - quite like all of these three acts should probably serve as a nail in the coffin for hip-hop too.

Face it guys! Hip-hop is dying, and purist faves such as Jay-Z will not be able to save it as the Urban community moves on to other styles. :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

what are the new styles?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

1. purist faves such as Jay-Z

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

what are the new styles?

Probably something that will not appeal to white audiences for 10-15 years yet

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

2. the Urban community (woo, not much of a community when they be shootin at each other all day huh?)

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

there'll be tears before tea time

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir...waves the RED RAG....

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

3. Hip-hop is dying (if hip-hop dies, it will just come back to life revived/re-invented, just like rock was(n't)

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

In 10 years, Hip-hop will be about as relevant as prog rock and calypso are now.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

make your mind up!

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

geir's just excited that timbaland likes coldplay.

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Timbaland liking Coldplay is probably another nail in the coffin for hip-hop ;)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

20 posts: Geir accused of being racist

50 posts: i deride the G-Unit album without having heard it

3000 posts: jnafehjgojngmgnswglkjadfjpaigw

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

In 10 years, Hip-hop will be about as relevant as prog rock and calypso are now.

is the most mindblowing thing i've read all week.

The most popular rap duo

isn't this young gunz?

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

who will be the hip-hop mars volta??

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

So wait is hip hop dying or is rap dying?

Cuz even if Outkast has dropped a lot of the rapping they're still hip hop.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

let's not forget geir lives in EUROPE people.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

R&B will survive, but the form of R&B that is called hip-hop will die, remembered as mainly a late 80/early 90s style.

Just the same way rock survives while different sorts of rock subgenres die.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i deride the G-Unit

For a second I thought that was Geir's new nickname...

― Prude (Prude), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

will dan ackroyd open a House Of Hip Hop?

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

if i am to understand lord hongro's logic here, hip-hop is dying because he likes it.
ergo geir hongro is single handedly killing hip-hop¡

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

'The most popular male rapper was a white guy with a typical white trash background who has a lot of middle aged middle class fans that have never before even remotely cared about paul mcartney'

geir seriously that stuff in mojo about give peace a chance being the first rap song isnt actually true man

― sean,,,,,, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

will dan ackroyd open a House Of Hip Hop?

Yes, an International House of Hip Hop, or IHoHH. With the slogan, "IHoHH? No, you ho!"

― Prude (Prude), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The most popular male rapper is a white guy with a typical white trash background who has a lot of middle aged middle class fans that have never before even remotely cared about hip-hop

Translation: one artist has converted a large number of people into hip-hop fans, therefore hip-hop is about to die.

All of these three acts appeal to a lot of critics who have previously not been particularly into rap or hip-hop at all.

Tranlation: a number of acts have converted a number of critics into casual hip-hop fans, therefore hip-hop is about to die.

And the fact that I - an archetypical hip-hop-hater - quite like all of these three acts should probably serve as a nail in the coffin for hip-hop too.

Translation: I am starting to like hip-hop, therefore hip-hop is about to die.

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

(Basic gist: More people like hip-hop, so it is about to die.)

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

geir seriously that stuff in mojo about give peace a chance being the first rap song isnt actually true man

No, I know it isn't true. "Subterranean Homesick Blues" was 4 years earlier. :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Where does all this leave Tim Dog?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

so now Dylan invented hip hop? Madam you go too far!

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The blues was given up by the African American community after white acts adopted it. And, of course, after a few years white acts tired of it too. The blues is now just a subculture genre that nobody really cares about.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

becoming less relevant != "dying"

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Same thing will happen to hip-hip because of Eminem.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir, how do you keep suckering in the same people with the same lines? It's a rare gift!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

geirants just dont understand

― seann, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

geir speaks sense on some
level, but i feel his own
timeline is gravely off.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Blues was the hip-hop of it's time

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Where does me going into Camwhore chatrooms signed in as Dizzee Rascal, typing "FIX UP LOOK SHARP!", and then leaving fit into all this?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

jazz was the blues of it's time

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

jazz was the techno

― derrick may or may not (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Jazz started out as the blues of its time, then was turned into the prog of its time after a few decades.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Prog was the jazz of blues's time.

― Prude (Prude), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Blues was never the most popular musical genre in the world at any time.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The blues was given up by the African American community after white acts adopted it. And, of course, after a few years white acts tired of it too.

The part of this equation that's off is that black rappers get more love from white audiences then did black blues artists afaik.

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The hollow horn plays wasted words
Proves to warn
That he not busy being born
Is busy dying.

― Zimmy (onate), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

this just in from AP: Hip Hop dead.
LA Sherrif's Dept. spokesperson Hummer Longley told reporters this morning that the lifeless corpse of Hip Hop was found in a dumpster behind Kmart. While the cause of death can't be confirmed without an autopsy, LASD sources indicate that foul play is suspected. LAPD Spokesman Johnson Dickface said that even if Hip Hop's death turned out to be murder, the LAPD probably wouldn't investigate it, "just to piss off all the rap nerds on the internet."

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

NEVER EVER EVER EVER CHANGE I NEVER CHANGE I NEVER CHANGE OOH I AM A ROCK REPRESENTER IN NORWAY IT IS WINTER SELECT: MAGAZINE FOR THE THINKER I NEVER CHANGE IM JUST GEIR EVERY DAY I NEVER CHANGE IM TOO STUCK IN MY WAYS I NEVER CHANGE

― HONGRO HOVITO, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"humor is about to die"

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"about to"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"is"

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

what?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

ILL GIVE YOU A HUMOR "BITCH"

― HONGSTA, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

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duh, it was born to boogie (like bocephus)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was born to be alive
No, it fights to stay alive, stay alive ooh ooh ooh ooh stay aliiiiii-yeeiiiive-yeeeiiiiiive-yeeeivvve.
(for maximum effect, read the above post in a flat monotone.)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"maximum effect"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Disco died around 1980 and nobody sane would miss it.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Last Night a Hongro Wrecked My Life

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

after "Goodnight Tonight", you mean? I gotta admit that was good

― dave q, Monday, 1 December 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"Goodnight Tonight" is one of the worst things McCartney has ever been involved with.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

The same say "Another One Bites The Dust" is by no competition the worst Queen track ever.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"involved with"!? I know he's your hero but you can't blame anyone but him! Except for Cerrone who he ripped off. Cerrone did new wave records after 1980 so you might be right. Although Amanda Lear hung in there for a few more years. Also, are you trying to tell us you personally like "Fight from the Inside" or "Body Language" better than "Dust"

― dave q, Monday, 1 December 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

They are about the same. "Dust" has become more famous, and therefore worse.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

>>Disco died around 1980<<

I guess nobody told Madonna. (or Shannon, or Samantha Fox, or Laura Branigan, or Expose', or Gloria Estefan, or Stacey Q, or Dead or Alive, or Frankie Goes to Hollywood, or Taylor Dayne, or Kylie Minogue, or L'Trimm, or Leann Rimes, or several million people in Munich, Milan, Miami, Mexico, and several places starting with letters other than M as well. Then again, I suppose they don't count. So never mind.)

― chuck, Monday, 1 December 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

None of those were disco. Dance music, yes, but not disco.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

So what's the difference, exactly? Their haircuts? (Probably not even that. I mean, if I had said Guns N Roses or Fat Boy Slim or House of Pain or Shania Twain or Dizzie Rascal, all of whom are MAYBE dance music without being disco, you might have a point. But I didn't.)

― chuck, Monday, 1 December 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

And I didn't even mention house music or '90s teen pop or Mantronix or Billy Ocean or Imagination or the Weather Girls, and I barely touched on Latin freestyle and hip-hop and techno and electro, all of which are at very least CHILDREN of disco. But in many, many cases, records in those categories just plain ARE disco. Which is to say they sound EXACTLY like what would've been called disco in the late '70s. (So does the beat on lots of AC/DC and John Cougar Mellencamp and Billy Squier records, but I'm trying not to confuse you.) Whether they called THEMSELVES disco is pretty irrelevant.

― chuck, Monday, 1 December 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

no one told Deee-Lite, Prince Paul or the Neptunes either, if we're going to be on the wall about it

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Or Michael Jackson or Prince. Though they're kinda minor, I guess.

― chuck, Monday, 1 December 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

(Deee-Lite, on the other hand, just plain sucked.)

― chuck, Monday, 1 December 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

MJ's "Burn this Disco Out" was a coded warning perhaps. Like "ixnay on the iscoday (throat-slicing gesture)"

― dave q, Monday, 1 December 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

seven years pass...

So still waiting for rap to die Geir

― i love tampon spaceship (San Te), Friday, 21 January 2011 02:47 (fifteen years ago)

this was SO on the money! lol

though i think it's kinda going through a low point at the moment, but i reckon it'll perk back up in a year or two. and rap during an off year is still better than most genres in a good one.

― messiahwannabe, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:26 (fifteen years ago)

last year was a really good year for rap imo! (creatively, not commercially)

― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:29 (fifteen years ago)

who's that most popular female singer?

― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:32 (fifteen years ago)

Missy

― Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:33 (fifteen years ago)

(I'm assuming)

― Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:33 (fifteen years ago)

face it guys! hip-hop is dying.

FACE IT

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 21 January 2011 03:34 (fifteen years ago)

It's sad. It was a music genre.

― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:36 (fifteen years ago)

I lay this wreath on hip-hops tomb
A gangster named Hongro sealed its doom :(

― i love tampon spaceship (San Te), Friday, 21 January 2011 06:00 (fifteen years ago)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TKXwE9GiqGg/Sc6hNTohGtI/AAAAAAAAACg/8ao07Om43c4/s320/RIP-Homies.jpg

― Blazes Boyband (Pillbox), Friday, 21 January 2011 06:04 (fifteen years ago)

ah, well, not awake as such...

It seems when Geir loses the arg, he just plain disappears from the thread.

― Mark G, Friday, 21 January 2011 14:12 (fifteen years ago)

"purist faves such as Jay-Z"

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 January 2011 14:27 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

@knits - tbh i haven't been paying as much attention outside of chart rap the last couple of years, i'm sure i slept on some good stuff. so what stood out for you last/this year?

― messiahwannabe, Monday, 11 April 2011 08:42 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

i still like geir's comment that hip-hop will be the prog/calypso of 2013. it sounds prophetic.
― vahid (vahid)

― buzza, Monday, 31 December 2012 19:25 (thirteen years ago)

Rolling prog/calypso thread 2013... arrgh forget it

― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Monday, 31 December 2012 20:48 (thirteen years ago)

i want disco that cites 50 cent and soca and was made on the moon in 2013!

― the late great, Monday, 31 December 2012 20:52 (thirteen years ago)

The best rapper is white...
The best golfer is black...
The best basketball player is Asian...

― sleepingbag, Monday, 31 December 2012 20:54 (thirteen years ago)

the best ilxer is from iran

― the late great, Monday, 31 December 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)

norway, morelike

― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Monday, 31 December 2012 21:22 (thirteen years ago)

rip hip hop, see you on the other side, big man

― mh, Monday, 31 December 2012 22:28 (thirteen years ago)

the whirlwind of death, i inhale it

― some dude, Monday, 31 December 2012 22:36 (thirteen years ago)

hip hop needs food, badly

― the late great, Monday, 31 December 2012 23:27 (thirteen years ago)

"needs food badly" will never not be funny to me

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 1 January 2013 00:47 (thirteen years ago)

hip-hop jumped the shark

― bernard snowy, Tuesday, 1 January 2013 00:56 (thirteen years ago)

but that's okay

― bernard snowy, Tuesday, 1 January 2013 00:56 (thirteen years ago)

... because it's (still) bigger than hip-hop

― bernard snowy, Tuesday, 1 January 2013 00:57 (thirteen years ago)

and rap during an off year is still better than most genres in a good one.

This delusion, right chere...

― Cousin Slappy, Tuesday, 1 January 2013 05:36 (thirteen years ago)

and i'm gonna miss everybody

― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Tuesday, 1 January 2013 11:21 (thirteen years ago)

meet u at da crossroads, hip hop

― let's bitch about our stupid, annoying co-ilxors (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 January 2013 02:40 (thirteen years ago)

maybe this should be the new rolling hip hop thread title

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 03:25 (thirteen years ago)

So who's the Eric Clapton of hip-hop? Eminem? Paul Wall?

― Everything You Like Sucks, Thursday, 3 January 2013 03:34 (thirteen years ago)

lou reed

― Mark G, Thursday, 3 January 2013 10:30 (thirteen years ago)

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