Taking Sides: Nick Cave vs Tom Waits

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I personally can't get enough of Tom Waits but I find Nick Cave rather irritating at times. Don't really know why.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

TW is more likely to surprise (which is usually good), but NC has been more consistently JOTO...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

tom waits,but i still like a lot of nick cave's stuff

― robin (robin), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't listen to Waits as much as I used to, but when I do I always really enjoy it. Whenever I listen to Cave I always get the feeling I should like him more than I do. I find his voice really affected and irritating sometimes. Waits' voice just makes me happy no matter what.

― bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Waits easily. Total fucking genius. Cave has never produced anything as maniacal as Eyeball Kid, as touching as Fish & Bird or as utterly bleak as Dirt In The Ground. EVER.

― Stupid (Stupid), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Waits. He always sounds more commited to what he's doing.

― Matt Boch (Matt Boch), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, this seems like it's going to be pretty one-sided...so who about, TS: Tom Waits vs. Neil Armstrong?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Might not the ultimate question be that Captain Beefheart cleans both their clocks? (As it is, I might respect Waits more but I listen to Cave more, so.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

>Might not the ultimate question be that Captain Beefheart cleans both their clocks?

Shit, no. Beefheart only has two unimpeachably great albums: Doc At The Radar Station and Ice Cream For Crow. The rest of his catalog is totally hit-or-miss (track-by-track, album-by-album), and Trout Mask Replica is wildly overrated.

Waits all the way. Cave is a ponce who should have a shelf-full of Faulkner first editions dumped on him from a great height.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I also have to say that Waits -- whose albums I recently relistened to in a fit of 'an album a day' mania -- strikes me as ultimately no more or less one-note than Cave is often accused of being. It's a good note, mind you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

tom waits, three notes over four decades vs. nick cave, one suit ever

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

So stylish, though!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

only suit he needs...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: weepy piano ballad tom waits vs. boom clang tom waits vs. bluesy tom waits vs. hilarious storyteller tom waits vs. creepy scratchy tom waits vs. nick cave

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised at the bias here. I was expecting a bit more support for Cave than this.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 1 December 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I've listened to Tom Waits more than Nick Cave solo.

That being said, in the past few years I listen to The Birthday Party rather frequently and rarely listen to either Waits or Cave.

I think adding in The Birthday Party records and the choice between these two is much less cut and dry.

― earlnash, Monday, 1 December 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

birthday party counts in this thread btw.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to confess that after writing a cover story on Waits for The Wire (August 02) I don't think I've listened to one of his albums all the way through. And I sold the last two (Alice and Blood Money).

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Frank's Wild Years is more brilliant than anything Cave will ever do.

― christoff (christoff), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

RE: okay, this seems like it's going to be pretty one-sided...so who about, TS: Tom Waits vs. Neil Armstrong?

from this site alone - http://www.blogjam.com/neil_armstrong/ - I'd take Neil, but that's just me.

― kar120c, Monday, 1 December 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom seems more of a surrealist where Cave leans too heavily at times into the predictable (specifically the chilly waters of morbidity). While Cave undeniably has a sense of humour, some of his (specifically more recent) material lends itself an air of uber-seriousness. Waits, on the other hand, seems a genuinely more affable character (though no less bizarre in the cranium). I'm sure Cave is a huge fan of Waits'.

Tom Waits, however.....even in his more bizarre moments like The Black Rider...has never seemed as menacingly unhinged as Cave.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

...i.e., even when Waits is doing unsettling, spooky schtick, it's done with a wry wink. Cave, on the other hand, has no qualms about diving right into the visceral and disquieting.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex OTM, behind everything TW does, you know that he's, in effect, punching the clock. He's having a blast, no doubt, and it's great, sure, but at the end of the day, he's gonna go home and do whatever weird things he might do for relaxation.
With Nick Cave, there are times where the possibility that he is something more than mere narrator, mere play-actor seems distinct.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: weepy piano ballad tom waits vs. boom clang tom waits vs. bluesy tom waits vs. hilarious storyteller tom waits vs. creepy scratchy tom waits

Thing is, you could say all these things about Cave as well!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

When Waits does retreads of his schtick, he always invariably does it from another skewed perspective - eg much of Mule Variations was rehashing old themes, but it all seemed to be informed by a sense of feeling his age. When Cave does retreads (most of Nocturama), they're just a bit boring. Also, I could well believe that Nick Cave simply has no interesting albums left in him at this stage of his career, whereas I always expect something vaguely surprising from Waits.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Beefheart > Waits > Cave

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldnt take sides here. although I have much more from Waits' catalog.. that being said, between 'the mercy seat' and 'stagger lee' - thats enough to put Cave in a class I respect.

― nothingleft (nothingleft), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

but you HAVE TO take sides!!!!

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

If i HAD TO take sides, it'll always be with Cave....who is simply cooler. And had better hair.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

but you HAVE TO take sides!!!!

or risk detroying the universe as we know it... .

very well then,

Tom Waits..

― nothingleft (nothingleft), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.theexcuse.com/excuse/shows/nickcave/images/04.jpg http://www.theexcuse.com/photography/concerts/tomwaits/images/01.jpg

FACE OFF!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick Cave is far more likely to actually cut someone's face off.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

A Tom Waits album will usually have a few tracks so weird and annoying that I just have to skip them. A Nick Cave album (at least one from the 90s or later) I may gladly listen to throughout. Thus, Cave wins.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I vaguely recall a drunken conversation, the thesis of which was that "Henry's Dream" and "Bone Machine" were both soundracks to the same movie that was never made. To arrive at this conclusion, you have to move "Red Right Hand" from "Let Love In" to "Henry's Dream," since it and "Black Wings" are essentially the same song, or at the very least theme songs for the same character in this movie. Did I mention I was drunk when this occurred to me? Which is another reason I like both of these guys so very much. Great drinking music.

Since Nick cut his hair, I'd have to give Tom's hat the edge in coolness.

― Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

consistency always wins over weirdness dontcha know!

― bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a friend who looks remarkably like Nick Cave.

She's probably better off this way than looking like Tom Waits, so...Nick Cave.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a friend who looks remarkably like Nick Cave.

She's probably better off this way than looking like Tom Waits, so...Nick Cave.

Yeah. I can't imagine P.J. Harvey looking like Tom Waits.

― Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom Waits by a mile! The only thing I've ever liked by Nick Cave were his duets with Kylie Minogue and Polly Harvey, though their kiss at the end of the video is way gross.

― Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Waits. Because I feel he still has the potential of going COMPLETELY batshit one day, and when he does he'll be so old it'll be great. Then again Cave impressed me by going all Xtian lately, so who knows?

― dave q, Monday, 1 December 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

cave started off both more pop (boys next door) and then more punk (birthday party) than waits ever got while cave is heading towards the maudlin piano balladry where waits started

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Cave vs Elton John? ('Rock of the Westies' is kinda punk)

― dave q, Monday, 1 December 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Both I thought were way more interesting in the early 80s.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 1 December 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, that should be I thought both were way more interesting BEFORE the mid-80's.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 1 December 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

actually that should be "I THINK both were..." It's not like I suddenly became unimpressed with them when I entered elementary school or something.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 1 December 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow. Am I the ONLY person who thinks they're both completely ridiculous method actors? (I guess I'd take Nick, though, since the Birthday Party were a fairly okay band, and since I somehow bizarrely put his all-covers album *Kicking Against the Pricks* in my top ten some year in the mid '80s, though more for the Einsturzende Neubauten guy's guitar playing and for the song choice than for anything Cave himself did. On the other hand, I don't think I own any Nick albums anymore, and I do own one Waits best-of on vinyl and one on CD, still, if I remember right. Though probably just because I'll take any version of "Ol 55" I can get. Okay, maybe not Sarah McLachlan's. But the Eagles rendition blows Tom's all to hell, let me tell you.)

So the winner: Elton John. By a mile.

― chuck, Monday, 1 December 2003 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Basically, I just have a VERY low cabaret-bullshit tolerance level.

― chuck, Monday, 1 December 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Tough choice, as both have their up/down moments....but the coin toss goes to Nick, as he keeps trying: "As long as I know what the hell I'm talking about and my music turns me on, wouldn't slit my wrists if you don't buy the latest CD". I still enjoy putting him on, simply cause I'm waiting to see if he'll dare to write something (gasp!) happy and screw with the minds of the audience.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 1 December 2003 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Birthday Party > Waits > Cave

Truf.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 1 December 2003 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Waits is cuddlier, Cave of course morbid and somewhat pretentious, but I'm pretentious as fuck myself so I'll go with Cave. I do like both, though.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I listen to the Birthday Party quite a bit, Nick Cave solo almost never, Waits occassionally and solo stuff by various Bad Seeds more than all of the above.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

cave every time (although i don't really much care for anything past "murder ballads")

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

completely ridiculous method actors

that's part of the appeal actually. The only Waits I need is that Anthology Of Tom Waits from the mid-80's ("Ol 55" is on it). The only Cave I need is Birthday Party's Hits and Live. I'm pretty bored by everything I've heard from these guys since, though they can be entertaining in small doses (a lot of pals in college got into that "Red Right Hand" song after it was in the movie Scream and were disappointed when they investigated further).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

The only thing that annoys me more than Tom Waits are the fans who worship him as god

― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

there is nothing so classic as Birthday Party-era Nick Cave. "Rats in Paradise" Helloo??!!!

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The last couple of Cave albums were pretty run-of-the-mill and maybe even bad - I cringe for Nick at the very thought of 'Rock Of Gibraltar'. On the other hand, I'm not sure Tom Waits has done anything as good as Your Funeral My Trial. Nick Cave in the eighties was pretty phenomenal.

― Jonathan Z., Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

''Am I the ONLY person who thinks they're both completely ridiculous method actors?''

see i think this is a fine reason to like 'em.

I only have one alb by each one of these ppl and the birthday party. they are all fine. and comparing these ppl to beefheart is something i don't see because musically they are all very different (but i might not have heard waits/cave's 'beefheart' period).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think anything that Waits has ever done has moved me as much as 'The Ship Song'. So for that alone, I'd vote for Nick. Plus he's got Warren Ellis in his gang now, and that sure-as-shit counts for something.

Wouldn't it be fun to hear Waits do an album of Nick Cave covers though?

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

''Am I the ONLY person who thinks they're both completely ridiculous method actors?''

To take that comment somewhat cretinously literally, Tom Waits wins out over Cave in acting prowess for Down By Law and his bit-part in Bram Stoker's Dracula...

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Julio, which Waits album do you have? His career falls very much into two distinct sections: the "weepy piano ballad" / "bluesy" / "hilarious storyteller" Tom Waits (73-82) and the "boom clang" Tom Waits (83-present). Both periods are great but only one bears marked similarities to Beefheart (can you guess which?!).

If you haven't heard Swordfishtrombones (look, even the album titles...!), Rain Dogs, Frank's Wild Years, Bone Machine, The Black Rider, Mule Variations, Alice and Blood Money yet, then I really think you ought to 'cos I think you're in for a treat!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Waits is a rare artist that can occasionally tread dangerously near maudlin without me hating it and/or him sucking. I, for instance, thought that song Fish & Bird off Alice was rather touching and sweet.

― Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick Cave's best combined acting/music cameo -- the sample of him snarling "HERE I AM MOTHERFUCKER!" from Ghosts of the Living Dead that starts the first full Therapy? album.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

stewart- rain dogs. i really like marc ribot's playing on that one.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

awww... i just gave fish and bird it's first good listening. in the wrong hands this would be awful, but awwwww...

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Shit, no. Beefheart only has two unimpeachably great albums: Doc At The Radar Station and Ice Cream For Crow. The rest of his catalog is totally hit-or-miss (track-by-track, album-by-album), and Trout Mask Replica is wildly overrated.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why Stewart and Julio let this statement go by without tearing it into little pieces. Oh well.

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and Waits, natch. Cave's too inconsistent. Their careers sort of flow in opposite directions--Cave starts out all noisy and angular and turns into a balladeer, and Waits starts out as a balladeer and gets noisy and clangy.

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"I cannot for the life of me figure out why Stewart and Julio let this statement go by without tearing it into little pieces."

Partly because, as Beefheart fans, we secretly like people not liking the stuff because that means we can keep the membership of our little club very select and elitist; partly because there's a very real possibility that we'd have ended up squabbling between ourselves about which of Beefheart's albums is actually the best (Trout Mask Replicants vs. Lick My Decals Off Babies - fite!) but mainly because the analysis was just so comprehensively wrong in every conceivable respect that I got a headache trying to work out which bit to tear to pieces first.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"stewart- rain dogs. i really like marc ribot's playing on that one."

But not (the rest of it?) enough to try any of Tom's later albums? I'm genuinely surprised Julio! Rain Dogs is his best one too!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

''I cannot for the life of me figure out why Stewart and Julio let this statement go by without tearing it into little pieces. Oh well.''

Because he just said he didn't like it: if he went into some detailed reasoning then we could've argued as to how he's wrong ;)

''But not (the rest of it?) enough to try any of Tom's later albums? I'm genuinely surprised Julio! Rain Dogs is his best one too!''

I like the rest of it but I was just making a comment on how I really liked ribot's contribution to the record.

I'll def try some more tom waits (and nick cave). I just haven't got round to it.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Their careers sort of flow in opposite directions--Cave starts out all noisy and angular and turns into a balladeer, and Waits starts out as a balladeer and gets noisy and clangy.

I sort of like the symmetry of that statement, but it's not strictly accurate. Micturama or whatever it's called was a pretty patchy album but "Babe I'm On Fire" is as totally fucking wild and exuberant as just about anything this year.

― NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Julio, I recommend Mule Variations next (Marc Ribot plays on that one too!) then Bone Machine and Swordfishtrombones. Nick Cave's good but The Best Of.... will suffice until you've got pretty much the whole of Tom's back catalogue!

Have you tried any of Marc Ribot's own stuff? I've heard some good things about The Prosthetic Cubans and Saints but I haven't actually heard them....

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

no but I saw him live with John zorn earlier (in electric masada) this year. that was really good: his playing was more 'rawk' type stuff.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Waits has more humour, Cave is more evil.
Birthday Party was some fucking necro sounding vibes!

The real question is, which can smoke more tabs?

― NecroBastard (NecroBastard), Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

had Waits not released Alice and Blood Money already i would have said that they'd both become parodies of themselves (Mule Variations: YAWN!!!). But I think he turned it around. I hope Cave rebounds from Nocturama because it was rub.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 6 December 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(Mule Variations: YAWN!!!)

Wha? Have you never heard the skronky, malevolent majesty of "Fillipina Box Spring Hog"?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't do much for me, just because I thought he covered that style well enough on Bone Machine. Believe me, if Swordfishtrombones -> Bone Machine hadn't happened and Mule Variations came out I'd think it was brilliant, but it just struck me as Waits-by-numbers in comparison to his other records. It's okay, it just bored me.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Fair enough, tho' I was largely bored by his earlier stuff, and "Fillipino Box Spring Hog" woke me from my ennui.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I sort of like the symmetry of that statement, but it's not strictly accurate. Micturama or whatever it's called was a pretty patchy album but "Babe I'm On Fire" is as totally fucking wild and exuberant as just about anything this year.

Oh, it's absolutely a generalization. I mean, it's not as though Waits has stopped writing pretty ballads, either.

― J (Jay), Saturday, 6 December 2003 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a very real possibility that we'd have ended up squabbling between ourselves about which of Beefheart's albums is actually the best

Oh, come on: It's totally Decals! (ducks)

― J (Jay), Saturday, 6 December 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

From what I'd heard of Mule Variations, I didn't like it much either.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 7 December 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Cave, by far. I like some Waits songs and have heard most of his records & he just seems so.. deliberately eccentric in his choice of subject matter, and I find it hard to care about that. Yeah, America is weird, tell me something I don't know. Except for the songs when he goes all maudlin, and then it just sounds like the times when you have had too much to drink & get all sentimental & then, of course, get all embarrassed about it later and go back to talking about random weird stuff. Plus I don't like the Beat writers at all, so am apt to dislike anyone that has been so much influenced by them.

Whereas Cave, as over-the-top and absurd as he can get, never gave me the impression that he didn't always believe 100% in what he was doing. And I love Faulkner.

― daria g (daria g), Monday, 8 December 2003 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(Mule Variations: YAWN!!!)

COLD WATER!

but overall pretty yawnsome!

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

neither is in particularly high rotation chez Eisbär. but somehow i do have a lot of birthday party and nick cave cds and only one tom waits cd. make of that what you will.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

They both kick Beefhearts ass.Fuck Beefheart! that shit is irritating, like Zappa, just bullshit.

BTW, Im hearing birthday party in some of the more avant-garde minimal style black metal lately.This is a good thing.

― NecroBastard (NecroBastard), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

All this Mule Variations hate makes me sad.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Crime & The City Solutionw wins

― mentalist (mentalist), Friday, 12 December 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...

No, I win.

― NecroBastard (NecroBastard), Saturday, 14 August 2004 09:02 (twenty years ago)

Crikey, they both suck.

― the bellefox, Saturday, 14 August 2004 09:03 (twenty years ago)

Neil Armstrong > Beefheart > Waits > Cave

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 15 August 2004 04:54 (twenty years ago)

Waits>McGowan>Almond>Cave

― jim, Monday, 16 August 2004 09:52 (twenty years ago)

I'd have to go with Cave (as long as I get to ignore most of the last decade).

That said, we've got 16 Horsepower now so Nick may as well retire.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:08 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

They both kick Beefhearts ass.Fuck Beefheart! that shit is irritating, like Zappa, just bullshit.

More of this perspective, please ^^^

For, it is correct.

― stephen, Monday, 23 June 2008 09:27 (sixteen years ago)

It is about, as accurate

As, your idea of

Punctuation?

― Stewart Osborne, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 11:03 (sixteen years ago)

hating on Zappa is some half-informed bs

― J0hn D., Tuesday, 24 June 2008 11:30 (sixteen years ago)

RONG

― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 11:34 (sixteen years ago)

O I see well if the Wire said it

megalols

― J0hn D., Tuesday, 24 June 2008 11:39 (sixteen years ago)

cogent counter-argument there

― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 11:44 (sixteen years ago)

Daria g completely OTM upthread

― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 15:34 (sixteen years ago)

TW is more likely to surprise (which is usually good), but NC has been more consistently JOTO...

-- Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, December 1, 2003 6:28 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

a few years later it seems like you need to reverse this statement

― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 15:39 (sixteen years ago)

Trout Mask Replica > All Cave and Waits. The latter two have good songs scattered about their careers, but I wouldn't be fanatical about either.

― Freedom, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 15:46 (sixteen years ago)

Well Nick Cave never wrote a song in my name so its going to have to be Tom Waits. Actually I take that back, I have respect for them both there are times I feel I have to ignore in their musical careers but for the most part, better with them than without.

― VeronaInTheClub, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago)

i appreciate zappa but his sense of humor gets kind of tiresome

― akm, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 16:23 (sixteen years ago)

Haha Ian Penman OUCH: "a jack-off of all trades, and master of none."

My sentiments exactly.

― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 16:25 (sixteen years ago)

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