Liz Phair on NBC Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree Lighting Special

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I thought, who is this blonde girl? She looked a bit like Sheryl Crow, but was a little too fair. Then I realized it was her. She sang 'Winter Wonderland' and smirked appropriately during that second verse about Parson Brown, getting married, and doing the job while he's in town.

― Berkeley Sackett (calstars), Thursday, 4 December 2003 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe she'll get her indie cred back now.

― Debito (Debito), Thursday, 4 December 2003 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

has any indie artist ever lost then regained that cred?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 4 December 2003 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmm...that's a good question. Anyone?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

morrissey?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 4 December 2003 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

haha "indie cred"

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 4 December 2003 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay Matos, just for being a wise that I've suspended the rest of your indie cred points! You'll be assigned a probation officer in the coming weeks.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

(for being a wise GUY)

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i lost my indie cred, but then got it back.

then i realized i really don't want it. so now it's gone again. thankfully.

― Debito (Debito), Thursday, 4 December 2003 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Nirvana, maybe?

― hstencil, Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Billy Corgan tried to when he hired the Chavez and Slint guys for Zwan, but it didn't work.

Morrissey and Nirvana are good choices, but they both kinda got it for long absences (or permanant absences) that let people get all nostalgic. Has anyone actually ever done it by releasing an album that was deemed good again by indie folks?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

nada surf perhaps?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

YES! you are correct.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, Weezer got indie cred they never had in the first place with Pinkerton.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

But, aside from "Popular," were Nada Surf ever more than a blip on mainstream radar?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Weezer's got kid cred. These kids grew up to be hipsters.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

johnny cash and dolly parton got theirs back.

― scott seward, Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

How about Flaming Lips - did they lose it with Vaseline and then regain it with The Soft Bulletin? or was nobody hatin on them for Vaseline and appearing on 90210?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It's hard to tell that far back...before the internet, how did we ever know what the indie consensus was re: certain bands?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The Doors made both Morrison Hotel and L.A. Woman as a response to all the underground fans who thought the band were selling out. Both great great albums.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 4 December 2003 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Back in the old days they measured indie cred with specially made sensers placed in the ground wherever a new regional music scene was popping up. The devices measured the chemical effects of discarded Chuck Taylors on the environment. The cities with the most adverse and noticeable effects were deemed to have less cred, because they had attracted too many suburbanites and or wannabes to the scene.
People living within the hippest cities were then individually polled as to who they thought the coolest band was at the time. The process proved too expensive and time consuming, so when the internet made the old method obsolete, it was abruptly abandoned.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 4 December 2003 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know if Flaming Lips lost it with "She Don't Use Jelly," but I certainly don't think that The Soft Bulletin would've done anything to restore it. If anything, that album, because it was so roundly praised -- even in mainstream magazines like Entertainment Weekly -- introduced them to a wider audience. Maybe this is just people I know, but before 1999, if I talked to anyone about the Flaming Lips, they might remember them as this kinda kooky band that had a novelty hit a few years back; after 1999, everyone was standing in line for Lips tickets. Sorta like Radiohead in their ability to unite indie kids and "average" rock fans.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 4 December 2003 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

where can you buy these indie cred sensors?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 4 December 2003 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it possible that Liz Phair has been putting us on for the past year? Or has she indeed lost her bearings?

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 4 December 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think maybe she's found her bearings.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Liz Phair's been putting us on since 1993.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 4 December 2003 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jeremy Engle" indicates that she knows exactly where she is, and is even willing to toss a bone to her old fans from time to time.

― dlp9001, Thursday, 4 December 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Liz Phair's been putting us on since 1993

How true.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

has any indie artist ever lost then regained that cred?

Jerry Lynn.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The wrestler Jerry Lynn? I saw him wrestle Lenny Lane at a small bar in bumblefuck, Minnesota in front of about 50 people....it was awesome!

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Liz Phair sing that song in a Gap ad a few years ago, before anybody even knew what was to come with the Matrix collab. and all that?

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The unit of measurement for indie cred, by the way, is a pixon.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the wrestler. Had serious indie cred back in ECW, lost it when he became a WWE jobber, regained it after his contract was bought out and he went back to grafting on the independant circuit.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw him in the transition period between the ECW's collapse and his getting picked up as a WWE jobber....I remember the announced making a big deal about it being his "last match" before he was going to WWE....now, he's probably wrestling there next week again.....Minnesota rox as a local wrestling state, though, there's plenty of good local leagues.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 December 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

minnesota also has alot of tragic stories too: rick rude, hennig

i love the wrestling undercurrents on ilx.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Liz Phair has always wanted to be famous. She's always wanted to be on the radio, too. Exile in some ways is a criticism of indie cred, and my impression is that she's never given much credence to indie cred in the first place.

She's good looking. Her album this year is a turd--not because it's not much like Guyville, but because the songs are marginal no matter who sings them.

― don weiner, Thursday, 4 December 2003 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

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