Alanis and Rob Thomas fail to convince me of the depths of their artistic goals

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As disguised in another the album is dying story.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

(If this was already linked/discussed somewhere, point me there!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Was amusing when Matos posted on his blog. Still is.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

my fave part


"Though he agrees that the Internet is ushering in a song-oriented pop world, prolific singer/songwriter Ryan Adams intends to continue making albums.

"I'm still stuck in that mode. I like the idea of creating your own world in 10 to 14 songs. I enjoy the broader scope. It's like taking in a whole exhibit, not just one painting. At the same time, there's no way to deny technology."

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

This part made me bark with laughter:

The entire game is changing," says singer Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty. "I can handle the fact that artists are selling fewer records and making less money, but you can't take away our albums! It's a conscious step toward disposable art. On an album, the artist creates a full work of art with songs that fit together and create a mood. If we become a single-minded nation, where careers depend on hits, you won't hear challenging music that takes risks."

The oxymoron being that M20's music ever took risks in the first place.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

The idea that singles /= risks/innovation is pretty amusing.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

This article makes me want to buy a CD burner.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Meh, as you people would say. During the 70' and 80's people were complaining that the single was dying. During the 80's and 90's they were complaining that the home party mix tape was dying. Now both are back!

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

*plays Cinderella's "Don't Know What You've Got Til It's Gone"*

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

In the Wee Small Hours is out of place on that graphic.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The nice thing about USA Today is that now I know when the "Top 10 Hitched & Ditched" thing is on.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

At least some of the people they talk to are reasonable enough. Nothing wrong with liking albums, but being open to song-by-song consumption.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"The chances of restoring growth to the pre-recorded CD business is about as slim as an Apache Indian getting elected pope," says analyst Phil Leigh of research firm Inside Digital Media.

If I ever become enough of an expert on something to be quoted in articles, I vow to give nothing but quotes like this one.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I can understand the appeal of albums, but so much of my formative listening experience has been radio-oriented, which has generally meant songs or tracks rather than albums. On top of that, I find very few albums I want to listen to all the way through over the long haul, including every album by the Beatles, and I consider myself a fan.

Even in my college literature classes, when we read poetry, we quite frequently read individual poems, rather than the entire books they came out of. If the sequential integrity of "Lyrical Ballads" isn't sacrosanct, then surely the track sequence on Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band isn't either.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

That's true. Also, we rarely eat everything a chef has on the menu either.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but we must eat everything on our plate.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

All of this single track downloading is the result of lenient parenting at the dinner table.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"Your mother meant for the meat loaf to be eaten alongisde the string-beans and stewed tomatoes!"

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The only one who seems bitter in the article is Michelle Shocked, who really doesn't seem to get it.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

All those kids picking the raisins out of their carrot salad will learn a valuable lesson when the RIAA sues them.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I like what a friend said the other day: "forcing people to listen through your bad songs is what the album is all about."

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

It's true we must eat everything on our plate, but I think it's clear even to the slow-witted among us that one plate of food equals one song downloaded from the Net.

Listening to the whole album is like having a 10 course meal. I personally think that as the music industry wants to have its cake and eat it too, the consumer has responded by not ordering desert.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

so snack on that!

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

god its so bad. cant be bothered to read it again for quotes... who said that singles were related to our tv attention span culture? there were chapters before the bible, and singles before LPs. and all of it predated cable, so fuck off.

as for no challenging singles that take risks, may i direct mr thomas to such single-driven genres as... early jazz, pop/r&b (from all eras, including motown), early rock and roll, all electronic dance (cept IDM), hiphop, etc etc etc etc etc.

im sure mr thomas, though, has topped the work of such various singles artists as, say, the supremes, the early beatles (even the latter...), the associates (they would still be amazing if sulk had never existed), model 500, or aaliyah. im sure his work tops all of those, that disposable crap.

btw i like albums, but all of these arguments are bullshit.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i am a master of the obvious, that which hasnt been said because it is too apparent to all present. i aologize.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Singles are great, albums are great, but I think it's true to say that nearly every artist aspires to make an album rather than just a bunch of singles. It's just more exciting. It's like writing a book rather than a short story or journal article; growing a garden rather than just one pot plant; having a relationship rather than a one night stand; making a full feature rather than a short film.

I don't see how the demise of the CD stops artists making albums. After all, they can make albums in mp3 format. They can make ep's or 24 hour extravaganzas if they want. What has changed is the ease with which consumers can make their own compilations of single tracks. Teenagers like to do that. They've always done it. I did it with cassettes long ago. But then I grew up a bit, and found myself leaning towards the 35-40 min format a bit more. Perhaps this is more a human thing, rather than a format thing. Few people however seem to be able to concentrate for more than an hour on one piece of music, so maybe the vinyl 40 min limit and the basic facts of human auditory fatigue kicking in around that point was a happy coincidence - and the longer time available on CD an unhappy coincidence.


colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)

A co-worker (ha!) has wondered why I stopped at three metaphors in the first para above. He sugggested I add, 'a desk top ornament as opposed to a full-scale bridge'. There you go Robert.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I want Keith Richard to talk more about frozen pea technology.

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

er, Richards...sorry, Keith

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay frozen peas!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)


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