Was 2003 really the year that pop "broke"?

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Pitchfork suggestsin its Top 50 Singles (separate thread: singles for 2003 vs Pitchfork) that this was the year that the indie rockers started listening to pop and hip-hop, but there's part of me that doubts the universality of that statement. I mean, it was certainly true for me personally, but I always chalked it up to a) my own increasing boredom with indie rock, b) my discovery of ILM in February, and its ensuing effects on my interests, and c) accidentally hearing "Cry Me a River" on the radio late last year. And it was certainly true for Pitchfork's editorial direction, with its new singles column. But was this a certifiable indie "trend"?

In his intro, Ryan says that file-sharing is responsible: "Freed from the careful decision-making that comes with $12 purchases, we can now easily branch out beyond the genres we've always loved and discover the inherent worth in all of them." But two points: a) If file-sharing has been around for a few years now, why would it suddenly cause a pop explosion in 2003?, and b) There's always been a way to freely access pop and hip-hop: it's called commercial radio. I downloaded pop songs this year, but only to put them on party mixes. Most of the time, if I wanted to hear "Crazy in Love," I'd just flip between Power 92, B96, KISS 103.5, and WGCI until those horn bursts came in.

At the same time, last year, when I only listened to college radio and NPR, I managed to completely miss "Hot in Herre," despite it being the smash feel-good hit of the summer. This year, I can't imagine getting to the end of the year and never hearing "Hey Ya!" or even "Crazy in Love" -- almost everyone I know was talking about them. Ideas?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Prevelence of broadband connections. Death of the hipster. No one wants to dress up like a redneck in order to be cool? Oh they do.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Utopia! Utopia!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't buy that at all. It seems like the pop boom was starting to die down in 2003, at least from what I've observed.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hey Ya" and "Crazy In Love" both >>>> "Hot In Herre."

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

and Jesus wept.

what is it with the constant referencing of PfM here!?

Maybe the snobs there have been avoiding pop, Christ on a bike, what a silly idea about p2p.

― conan (worrysome-man), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.scenemagazine.com/framepages/content.lasso?-database=site_news&-layout=scene_news&-response=content.lasso&record=SN-00190&-search

(mind the awful squishy picture and the weird headline)

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

He had won the victory over himself; he loved Big Brother.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Thing Song" >>> "Hey Ya" >>> "Hot In Herre" >>> "Crazy In Love"

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember reading Beck interviews ca. 1999 where he talks about being a big fan of R. Kelly. Maybe this is all Midnite Vultures' fault.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"Thong Song"

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I like them old-fashion draws

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

(i kind of agree, but strictly from a hipster embracing pop perspective and NOT from a mainstream embracing pop perspective because that's impossible by definition!!)

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

They'll all be listening to dance music next.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i think this MIGHT be true for a lot of people in the States, but i think the equivalent happened in the UK back in '99 with Britney's 'Baby One More Time'

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Was 2003 really the year that pop broke "Pitchfork"?
ILX has mentalism riot rest of the world yawns.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the idea of pop 'breaking' (into what? indie credibility? haha!) this or any year is so insanely dumb it's wonderful. like, yeah, 2003, pop's getting written about by indie kids, it's finally made it!!!!

― pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

what is it with the constant referencing of PfM here!?

This isn't so much a "Pitchfork thread," it's something I've been thinking about for a while on my own -- but that list today gave me an additional impulse to ask the question.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, I think the term "broke" is funny in this context, but that's how people are talking!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks to the iPod we now actually listen to music we like instead of just buying cool records HOORAY!!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes yes I agree since I got mine I have been listening to Astor Piazzolla on repeat ohnoohnoohno I don'tevenownaniPodkillmeplease.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

nicole might be right here. obviously pop didnt break 'in the mainstream' in 2003 as such, but perhaps it did break in alt.circles. this would make sense as popular music that breaks in alt.circles usually has a time lag from when it first breaks. there could be any number of reasons for this, but its an oft repeated scenario

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

2003: The Year We Took Our Heads Out of Our Asses

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I think indie rockers/punks have been listening to hip hop for a long, long time....I mean weren't Rick Rubin and the Beastie Boys proof of that??

Also, wrt indie rockers suddenly joining hands and deciding to love pop music altogether now.....I think this might be a perception that could be slightly skewed our ILM-centric view of the world....also, you assume that indie rockers have never liked pop singles prior to 2003, which I don't think is true either.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

jaymc i think 'broke' is maybe meant to explain pitchfork's broken paradigm, rather than the notion that pop somehow got more popular, which is silly

i do think that 2003 yielded more of a certain type of pop crossover that wouldn't have been par for the course five years ago tho

i think bootlegs are probably more responsible for this than file sharing

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(xpost charltonlido)

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(I don't own an iPod either. Should I get one?)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

bootlegs like "The Best Bootlegs in the World Ever"....(if that's what you mean I would definitely agree with you)....

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The only thing is, do we really have proof of some kind of indie rockers-embracing pop phenomenon outside of the fact that Pitchfork decided to do more rap reviews and added We Are The World....

it kinda seems like when Jesse Jackson says something and lots of people naturally assumes he speaks for a nation of African Americans (haha Pitchfork is the Jesse Jackson of indie rock)....

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

iPod! Are you making with the funny stuff? Only gazillionaries can afford that shit. I don't think it's v productive lumping Outkast in with pop in this sense.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I think this might be a perception that could be slightly skewed our ILM-centric view of the world...

Except I guess my point is it seems like other people, like Pitchfork, are beginning to share that perception.

also, you assume that indie rockers have never liked pop singles prior to 2003, which I don't think is true either.

Right, but as someone who was exclusively into indie rock, post-rock, and some electronic stuff from 1996-2002, my ignorance of pop singles from that period is staggering.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique Outkast is #1 in the Billboard charts currently.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I think lumping Outkast in with pop is exactly the phenom that may or may not be happening.
Pop is polyglot.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

and I think it's Pop that has sort of broken open lately with a much wider range of artists/styles/gimmicks.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"Broke" is my own word, incidentally. It's not just Pitchfork's own "broken paradigm," though -- they talk about it as a trend in indie circles. I guess part of what I wonder is whether Ryan had a pop conversion himself, hired some new writers to reflect his new interest, and then acted as though it was happening all over the place. (Sort of like how the blurb for the Kish Kash review insinuated that the first two Jaxx records were unbelievably bad, instead of admitting that no, you were just wrong then.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"Pork Your Body" > "Thing Song" > "Thong Song"

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

1991: The Year Punk Broke

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique Outkast is #1 in the Billboard charts currently.

Yeah, as of last week at least, "Hey Ya!" was #1 and "The Way You Move" was #2. Amazing!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique Outkast is #1 in the Billboard charts currently.

Sure, but -- oh fuck. Right. It's pop, yes. But not pop. Not in the sense the original poster means, I don't think. I think the innaresting thing is how 'pop' (Beyonce, Britney) has absorbed so much from 'hip-hop' (allowing for lots of porous membranes etc etc etc), and this is the 'it's okay to like' phenom that JT is the perfect example of.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The only thing is, do we really have proof of some kind of indie rockers-embracing pop phenomenon outside of the fact that Pitchfork decided to do more rap reviews and added We Are The World....

I'd guess that the traditional indie audience is not really embracing pop yet - a good proportion of the indie kids I know will still say they love the Neptunes or Timbaland rather than Justin or even Kelis, whereas the ones who WILL embrace pop are usually the ones who always have.

(xpost with Enrique, exactly)
Also - note distinction between R&B and hip-hop, which is being embraced by Pitchfork et al, and teen manufactured pop. Even with her 'mature' image I don't see Xtina making an indie kid's year-end list any time soon, and as for people like Britney/Rachel Stevens/Girls Aloud, forget it...

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

1991: The Year Punk Broke

Yeah, that's what I was referencing, obviously. (I didn't mean to imply that I was the first one to use the word in this context -- just that Pitchfork didn't use it in their article.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I think indie/alt fans probably have been listening to more pop, but that didn't start in 2003 - I think at least a couple of years ago. And beyond that, I can't remember a time when alt-america wasn't listening to at least some hip-hop.

However, if you look at indie rock over the past ten years, there does appear to be a gradual path towards "pop, at least in some quarters. Start with indie embrace of IDM, post-rock in the 90s, to emergence of "dance-punk", and to bands that straddle line between dance and indie (from Air to Manitoba), and in 2003 Pitchfork is actually giving props to top 40 songs.

If you want a musical precedent, I think My Bloody Valentine is perfect. But in truth, I think Loveless was a little before its time. Had it come out in 1997, I think we might have noticed an indie/pop alliance much sooner. (ha, instead we got OK Computer, which ironically might have set this back a bit).

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

My Bloody Valentine? WTF?! The world just melted, you are all completely fucking insane, and I claim my £5.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I do use the word "pop" in a much more inclusive way than some people. For me, it's inclusive of commercial R&B and hip-hop -- basically what I hear on certain radio stations in Chicago like Power 92 (urban) and B96 (nominally "top 40," but basically "urban" with white DJs).

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus, alot of "indie rock" has always been pop, just maybe from a different era....like Ted Leo would be pop in the 70s, ditto for tons of 60s inspired Beach Boys type stuff....

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(that xpost was for Enrique)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

But in truth, I think Loveless was a little before its time. Had it come out in 1997, I think we might have noticed an indie/pop alliance much sooner

Say what???? Can you explain this for sober readers?

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone explain to me how Beyonce/Destiny's Child has ever been anything but hip-hop-influenced R&B?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Market position -- I'd agree with yr description musically.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

(I mean, beyond the "they charted in the pop charts, dummy!" argument because I can figure that out by myself, thanks.)

(haha xpost)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 December 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

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pop music is no laughing matter

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 19 December 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

''Are people really arguing about MBV and Aphex Twin and the Stone Roses in a discussion about pop = you are all uber-schmindie kids!''

well I thought the discussion wasn't only abt pop but abt indie kids 'getting' pop.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 19 December 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

After some deliberation, I'm disowning anything I said in this thread. First of all, I'm not "indie" so what the fuck do I care? Second, I had a hangover.

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 19 December 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

hangover eh? always a good excuse.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 19 December 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm really surprised how many posts there are here.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 19 December 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

hangover of a sort

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 19 December 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Morissey being anti-sport (apart from boxing)

Wasn't he a massive Bobby Moore fan? Although this could be as some kind of extension of his Krays fetish (East End boy makes good, becomes glamorous) rather than any appreciation for his tackling abilities.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 19 December 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it just me or is this argument largely based on multiple levels of pretension?

"This" argument?

(As an aside, when I was 12 my favorite musical artists were Prince, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Adam And The Ants, Devo, Men Without Hats, Madonna, Pink Floyd, Rush, and Earth, Wind, And Fire. This was 1985.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 December 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

mine were 808 State, Inner City, The Shamen, EMF, Depeche Mode, Happy Mondays, New Order, Pet Shop Boys, De La Soul, Public Enemy, NWA, Ice Cube, Jungle Brothers, A Tribe Called Quest, Soul II Soul, KLF, Inspiral Carpets, Primal Scream (it was 1990) but this was far from average based on my peer group (many of whom liked these bands but didn't borderline obsess about them or music in general as much as i seemed to at the time)

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 19 December 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

When I was 12 I used to listen to the Top 40 countdown with Casey Kasem every week. And invariably, I would only like half the songs or less. There were always lots of sappy ballads and love songs and "ooh baby I want to sex you" songs that I hated. However, I wouldn't deny that those songs were pop.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

when I was 12, I was a big freakin' dork.
when I was 13, however...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

My top 40 addiction didn't happen until I turned 13. Then I was all "DAN MUST LISTEN TO TOP 40 COUNTDOWN HOORAY IT'S MR MISTER".

I still do this to some degree (without the Mr. Mister referencing, natch).

― HOORAY IT'S NELLY FURTADO (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I was addicted UNTIL I was 13 at which point I became a terrible indie snob. I didn't buy music before that point, and am catching up even now.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't become a snob until hair metal completely took over. I was all right with Bon Jovi, but when Poison hit the scene and start forcing all of the Prince-inspired funk off the charts, I got VERY angry. Right about this same time I bought the "Pretty In Pink" soundtrack and went, "Oh, HERE'S where all the great pop music went!"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Lancashire!

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, once again we have managed to take all the fun out of fun pop music.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Hooray!

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

*gives Huckleberry a high five*

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 December 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

we should change the name of this board to I Hate Fun.
I could be king.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 December 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

2003: The Year ILX Broke Pop

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 December 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

2003: The Year Pop Broke His Hip

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 19 December 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.satirewire.com/news/april02/images/hoponpop.jpg

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 December 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

>>chuck is your son some kind of barometer of authenticity?<<

This may well be the dorkiest question in human history. Or okay, maybe not, but it's up there. I mean, where the heck did you get the idea I was making a point anything like that? I just said he DOESN'T LIKE THE RECORD; I didn't say it PROVED anything, except, uh, that THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DON'T LIKE THE RECORD. I didn't even say that I agreed with him, for crissakes. (My other two kids, who listen to WAY less hip-hop in general than 12-year-old Sherman, like "Hey Ya" just fine) But I DO think it's interesting that (for peer pressure reasons or whatever reasons -- doubt peer pressure has much to do with this particular taste issue, unless all his friends ALSO hate "Hey Ya," which would be REALLY intersting) that a kid whose fave music has long been hip-hop (a kid who has probably downloaded every song 50 Cent ever did -- not something I inspired, btw, since I only like "In Da Club" myself) would hate that record so much. I mean, it's *possible* that that says something about the music, right? Though how it'd say anything about "authenticity", I have no idea. (And again: I myself think "Hey Ya" is an OK record. Just not one of Outkast's best, or Southern hip-hop's recent best. It sounds SAFE, somehow. Which - just a guess - might be part of what indie rock fans find attractive about it. Which is not necessarily a bad thing.; not all music *has to* challenge people, obviously.)

On the other hand, when I got into work this morning, there was this email waiting for me from Sherman, which is an astounding first indication that he may be putting hip-hop behind him: "hey dad....i decided i want t-shirts and "hoodys" of bands that i really
like for chrismas....here is a list of bands and stuff i like and would like clothing articles of =-D 1. Goldfinger 2. Sublime ***
3. Nirvana **** 4. Drowning Pool 5. Disturbed 6. Stonesour ********
7. Greenday 8. Blink 182 9. Slipknot ********** 10. ICP (Insane Clown Posse) ******** 11. KoRn 12. 311 13. Hoobastank *** 14. mi6 15. Lit"

Scary, huh???? I mean, I don't even know who "mi6" are!!

― chuck, Friday, 19 December 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

YOUR SON IS A JUGGALO!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

He's younger than the kid on the cover of Nevermind* and he wants a Nirvana shirt? That's something else.

*by which I mean younger than the kid is now, not younger than he was at the time of the album cover photo shoot

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

chuck for the sake of god don't let him get a "Sublime" hoodie! it will set him on the path to ruin and destruction later in life.

hoobastank will probably be a valuble "ironic" collector's item in like ten years though and maybe even finance his college fees?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I cannot echo Sterling's first comment enough.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, what do the stars after band names mean on that list?

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the idea of using pre-ados as pop-cult whatevers. not just because it's a fun way to get around the pesky child-labour laws, but also because they're, i don't know, a little more honest. I mean, they LIKE what they LIKE, and they're not just saying that!
Like my nephew, when he was 9, used to think nothing of the fact that his two favourite bands were Motorhead and the Spice Girls.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the *******'s means he REALLY wants hoodies by those bands. (And I have no idea whether this means I should get rid of the bootleg 50 Cent live DVD I already bought him for Christmas, or what. It's all very confusing.)

― chuck, Friday, 19 December 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

slipknot hoodies are awesome though.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh, ooh! I wanna play matchmaker for Sherman and Aja!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

they're on opposite coasts though.

(but man, slipknot hoodies are so fly they'll totally get sherman lotsa love from all the gals -- for serious, i wish i could pull the look off)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

they're on opposite coasts though.

I know. They can still be pen pals!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Looking at Shermans's xmas list, it's not surprising he wouldn't like "Hey Ya" - it's probably not hard enough for him.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

If he wasn't 12, I'd say to get him _Ringmaster_ post haste.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 December 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

What's weird about a 12 year old wanting a Nirvana t-shirt? When I was 12 in 1984 I wanted a Led Zep t-shirt.

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 19 December 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

my 78-year-old grandmother thought otis redding's "dock of the bay" was a "new orleans record"

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 20 December 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

she had a judy garland hoodie

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 20 December 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post: Haha, "judy garland hoodie"!)

Anyway, yeh, my boy's only 9 and he loves Nirvana. He likes what he likes. Loves me, but thinks I'm a dork. A good kid, really.

(Oh, and he likes "Hey Ya" a fair bit.)

So, now we've gotten the 9 yr old white male Western Canadian demographic out of the way...

― David A. (Davant), Saturday, 20 December 2003 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, now the mums & dads of 9-to-12-years-old daughters to the thread also? What's the ILM-daughters' take on "Hey Ya" then?

(My daughter's sixteen and doesn't seem to care much 'bout the song one way or another)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 21 December 2003 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Was 2003 really the year that pop "broke"?

because we all know that before this year pop was NEVER in the top 40

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 21 December 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

curtis did you read the thread?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 21 December 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

No, not really. Is it a good one?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 21 December 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Brilliant.

I imagined you saying that without skipping a beat. Maybe you would raise one eyebrow just a little.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 21 December 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Interesting that on Five Live this morning, whilst discussing Pop idol's culmination, one of the pundits (possibly a Fame Academy judge) said summat along the lines of "people are really tired of manufactured pop, that much is obvious... rock is the new pop, just look at The Darkness..." I have a feeling that Bublé (I refuse to pronounce it Booblay - it's Bubble!) and Cullum were also cited.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 21 December 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Buble, the man discovered by David Foster while singing at Brian Mulroney's daughter's wedding.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 22 December 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

bump

― I eat cannibals, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

otm ^

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

They'll all be listening to dance music next.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:18 AM (5 years ago)

― send a hilarious message or make a "wild" statement (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 17 September 2009 18:12 (sixteen years ago)

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