The fat one out of Pop Idol is gonna win aint she?

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Wasn't Simon once REALLY nasty to a fat girl during one series of Pop Idol or Pop Stars and yet now he's all over the chubby chick... does this mean the media has forced him to be more PC? I can't see the porky lass having much of a career - you know, call me superficial, but I like my POP to have glamour and sex appeal. I want Holly Valance getting topless like in her latest video, I want Emma Bunton semi-nekkid rolling about a heart shaped bed, I want Britney showing off some thigh. That's what POP is right? Should we really be presenting our young uns with a picture of obesity as a positive career option? I like doughnuts too, but then I don't cause an earthquake the size of a small country when I sit down on the bus...

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The Norwegian winner of this year's Pop Idol is a fat guy with giant teeth. He won because he was the best musically, not because of his looks.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

the australian one has a big big afro. suits him quite well.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir - how shit would pop music be if people were not judged by their looks? Serious question if anyone wants to actually throw away their fake PC for the sake of an obvious answer (i.e. it would be shit indeed).

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

y'know i probably couldn't tell you what half of my favourite musicians actually look like

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh for GODS sake, someone actually be HONEST here.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i am never anything but

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, I'm putting on a Britney album right now. Grrr, she has the sort of thighs that you could rest you head between and end up going on a hunger strike just so you never have to move again!

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

How exactly does the way she looks enhance your enjoyment of the album? I mean, I know girls that listen to U2 while talking about good-looking Larry is... I don't see why the record is necessary for that.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really care what pop stars look like. Obviously, I'm more inclined to enjoy their videos if they're good looking, but as I hardly watch videos anymore, that's not really very important.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M TALKING ABOUT POP!!!

Sex sells the damn thing.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/ilove/years/1971/gallery/images/340/serge.jpg

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, most pop songs (Holly Valance, Rachel Stevens et al) are about wanting someone to shag sung in a sexy pout. What's the Pop Idol bird gonna sing about? Craving a meat pie in the middle of the night?

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum, is her body too bootylicious for you? (fnarr)

She'll sing what she's given. Her weight will probably be used as an excuse when she doesn't sell, but it probably won't be the sole cause.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 19 December 2003 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Hah in the pub on Monday we were talking about these issues

i) Whether Calum would be able to resist trolling the board about Michelle? (answer: no, obv)

ii) How we would market Michelle?

She'll be sold as a Radio 2 artist, obviously - big ballads, torch songs, broken-hearted stuff, yes there will be a subtext of 'I can't find love because I'm big' but use your imagination Calum, there's a lot of people out there who can empathise with heartbreak. The people behind Pop Idol are experts at selling music - they have that Sam bloke to be the heart-throb, with Michelle they can corner a totally different bit of the market.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I just realised how much my wife looks like Jane Birkin

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I know lots of women I think're hotter than Britney, they just don't make records. They should tho.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

People still use the phrase PC to cover "being considerate"?

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i would kill for a popstar i actually thought was hot. not even beth is doing it for me anymore. i might have to start listening to the music.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

She will release a cover of Respect. It is written in the stars.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

beth? Orton?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ditto

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Also there's the suspicion that the great British public have got wise to this whole Pop Idol thing and don't really care about the post-series career thing any more and just want to see a plucky fat girl win a reality TV show.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

they will market her as a dusty springfield type.

it will fail.

pop idol was rubbish this year.

i want a jane birkin chick to rock my world.

beth orton? eww...

never!

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The above post of course means she will sell shedloads.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

beth ditto. not fucking beth orton

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha.

beth ditto is hot.

i'm ill jim, forgive me.

*cough cough*

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Fresh from destroying the Darkness' fledgling career Doomie turns his sights on Pop Idol!! TREMBLE OH FOXY!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

notice that when the discussion actually takes off seriously calum is not around (probably trying to think up more 'hilarious' fat jokes)

also why LISTEN to Britney if you only seem interested in wanking over her?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

like i care?

do you really think michelle is a brilliant pop star tom?

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

will young has cornered the dido market. smart move. gareth gates is fading from the pop landscape - ala holly valance, rachel stevens, et al. the pop idol x-mas single is not doing brilliantly.

the only interesting thing that came out of the recent pop idol is girls aloud ... for factors i'm not going to get into.

michelle is destined to be the one true voice of the show.

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Who's beth ditto, mate?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

she's the hottie out of the gossip.

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

No I don't think she's a brilliant pop star, but I've only watched a cpl of episodes this time round. She has a good voice. I think she'll make a good ballad singer type and will have a steady albums career if marketed well. I'm pretty sure I won't like any of her stuff.

Matt DC is OTM - I think people are voting for the show not the after-show career.

Beth Ditto = lead singer of the Gossip. She is great.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

then why all the agression if you agree?

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

will young has cornered the dido market.

no prizes for guessing what i misread this as

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 19 December 2003 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Will Young has cornered the dodo meerkat?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.queeryouthtv.org/images/beth_ditto_1.jpg

This one?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Doomie I was joking sorry - wasn't meant to be aggressive in any way :)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Beth Ditto rules but I don't fancy her.

If people *do* start voting for the after-show career rather than what they've just seen, that's the moment the whole thing starts to die, right?

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

The great thing about Pop Idol is how nobody really knows the reason people vote - some of it will be on looks, some on the performance, some on the career, some on personality, some just to piss off Pete Waterman I'd guess.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

part of me feels that they have manipulated the show to have michelle win ... i mean, mark is yer typical smiley smiles butlin singer and michelle is different.

it may have the effect of the girl 'i'll do anything for fame, me' plus violent outbursts' aloud v. one true voice. the public want something different.

but i think michelle has the appearance of being different but not the cool, apathetic and vicious personality of girls aloud. i think that is why she is pitted against mark. mark is such the pop idol stereotype.

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

obviously i spend way too much time thinking about pop idol but something about that show repels yet fascinates me.

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I suspect that what they wanted was a Sam vs Michelle final, Sam could win and get the Gareth Gates career and Michelle could be taken out of the spotlight and 'developed' as an artist, i.e. off to Wogan with her.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Delta Goodrem is the hot.

― Jole, Friday, 19 December 2003 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

it almost funny - isnt it - that people with identifiable differences are marketed as 'serious artists'.

will young - gay;
chick from fame academy - gay;
girls aloud - the patrick bateman popsociopaths addicted to fame;
and poor michelle only has her fatness going for her.

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

but no-one wants yet another Sneddon so Mish has to win surely

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Doomie is, depressingly, OTM.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, I am so NEVER GETTING A TELEVISION AGAIN IN MY LIFe EVER.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

She does prog rock and wears a kaftan, Norman.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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Lee Evans - check out that film with Jerry Lewis, ever?

(Name escapes me for a mo)

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

'When Clowns Cry' or something?

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I'm imagining Prince sidling up out of the bathtub dressed like Bozo, hair and everything. Thanks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

This is what is sounds like.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

They say, what is is.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Australia? They take over the Edinburgh Fringe every year, even though I haven't seen a very funny one yet. Ditto Canada.

(x post = funny bones)

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i meant Canada altho i can't actually name Canadian comedians off the top of my head

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Len Cohen

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068451/

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Plot Outline: Jerry Lewis plays a Nazi clown who leads children to the gas chamber in a concentration camp.

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― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Lee Evans - check out that film with Jerry Lewis, ever?
(Name escapes me for a mo)

No, he's talking about Funny Bones, with Oliver Platt. It's a very strange and great movie, and Evans is amazing in it.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha Skyclad! They = the biggest bunch of mentalists evah

― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 19 December 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

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Is this the winner of Norwegian Pop Idol?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 19 December 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Plot Outline: Jerry Lewis plays a Nazi clown who leads children to the gas chamber in a concentration camp.

User Comments: Sounds as if it might have worked in the right hands

Hahahaha very good.

Aldo_Cowpat... I'm actually in Cardiff but I remember the Davidson quote quite well... there was this amazing bit in the Daily Mail* the other week, it was an interview with one of Jim's beleaguered ex-wives.

It's the anniversary of the Falklands (doesn't say which year) and Jim is in front of the telly in full military regalia, standing up and saluting the plucky heroes on the screen. His wife comes in with his dinenr on a tray and walks in front of the telly, puts the tray down and Jim goes completely mental at her for getting in the way, chucks the tray at the wall and probably blackens her eye.

By remarkable coincidence I walked past Simon Weston in the high street earlier.

*I was reading it while getting my hair cut

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 19 December 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

ILX shows how dumd it is by associating Britain as ENGLAND. Christ have any of you assholes taken a geography lesson or been north of Watford?

And the UK has long opposed the bigotry in Israel. I think we're a less racist country than America.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 19 December 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(cough, bradfordoldham BNP coughcough)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the rise of the BNP in ENGLAND is pretty worrying.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 19 December 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Petty nationalism is pretty shit, whichever part of the uk its from, don't you think?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 19 December 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

So who here is going to watch World Idol? I confess that I probably will.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 19 December 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 December 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

amazing. i leave the thread alone and now calum has turned into a stereotypical national british party youth. amazing! calum is v. educational with his 'roleplaying'. more imagination with the next one, though, calum. whatever shall he be next????? i wonder!

― griffin doome, Friday, 19 December 2003 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

What what? Did you read my replies you fuck wad? I'm stating that British nationalism is the most atrocious thing ever, that's why I'm getting irked at people mentioning Britain but meaning only England. There's four countries, each very different.

God, read what I say next time you licker of dead donkey's nuts.

― C-Man (C-Man), Saturday, 20 December 2003 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Er, right -- but the BRITISH National Party actually belives in ENGLISH domination of the rest, of course. There's no such thing as the 'British' nation. Each country is 'very different,' except all are dominated politically by England, and the English tongue, and the fourth, Northern Ireland, is in no way a 'nation'.
And is British nationalism (ie English nationalism) really the 'most atrocious thing ever'? Worse than Nazism?

― Henry K M (Enrique), Saturday, 20 December 2003 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Er... if Scotland is so dominated it's funny how the country still has free education, its own banks notes, own judiciary system, laws etc etc

On your passport you're "British" by the way.

― C-Man (C-Man), Saturday, 20 December 2003 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

c-man - what do they play at the national front disco?

― griffin doome, Saturday, 20 December 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think any of the nations are 'very' different, hardly even slightly different. Petty nationalism is a rubbish belief system.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 20 December 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

christ doome, did you actually READ any of what C-Man said?

its hilarious that you mention his 'roleplaying' though. after all, you are the past master, eh Sonny?
only difference being that all your alter-egos are as backward as each other.

― karl r, Saturday, 20 December 2003 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, coming from an 'old familiar' such as yourself, 'karl', I guess those words carry plenty of weight!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 20 December 2003 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought i had only one identity - a miserable, neurotic, misanthropic, sometimes funny, sometimes not, personality? so bit confused 'karl', please illuminate.

― griffin doome, Saturday, 20 December 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

christ doome, did you actually READ any of what C-Man said?

i read as much as what c-man reads of others.

― griffin doome, Saturday, 20 December 2003 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt: Is this the winner of Norwegian Pop Idol?

Yes.

― OleM (OleM), Saturday, 20 December 2003 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

alright, let's go back to the pop idol discussions. big finale tonight and i'm not going to watch it - can someone post results/reactions on this thread?

― griffin doome, Saturday, 20 December 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

she just won it.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 20 December 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"People still use the phrase PC to cover "being considerate"?
-- Jaunty Alan (AlanTrewarth...), December 19th, 2003."

Or "Not saying what you really feel."

― David Allen, Saturday, 20 December 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Michelle did indeed win it. On tonight's performances she deserved it. They really struggled to fill the time - the outside broadcasts from Glasgow and Wolverhampton were painful, and who decided to do a feature on a BT call centre? Didn't even think much of the song Will sang.

Having the other finallists (anyone else notice the absence of Leon?) made me pine for Suzanne. I never really appreciated how great she was in comparison to the others. She definitely could have been marketed to the Dido/Norah Jones market (except been good) and made a shitload for 19, a lot more than any of the others' single-based careers would have.

― Nick H (Nick H), Saturday, 20 December 2003 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Australia? They take over the Edinburgh Fringe every year, even though I haven't seen a very funny one yet. Ditto Canada.

australia have no good stand-ups. they all suck. all of them. no exceptions.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 21 December 2003 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"People still use the phrase PC to cover "being considerate"?
-- Jaunty Alan (AlanTrewarth...), December 19th, 2003."
Or "Not saying what you really feel."

-- David Allen (Davidalle...), December 20th, 2003.

Correct - I'm sorry, but I don't want my POP in the shape of someone who looks like two tonnes of stale porridge poured into a size 20 dress...

― C-Man (C-Man), Sunday, 21 December 2003 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.skalman.nu/ bookstore-third-hj.htm

― griffin doom, Sunday, 21 December 2003 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ahhh suzanne. she could have been more than a dido. she could have been a polly harvey for the 21st century. i hope she reappears in some guise or other. so cute!

― stirmonster, Sunday, 21 December 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

a friend told me that she was a bore-again christian - so pj harvey is probably off the cards. but with the hairlip and trash marilyn monroe image - she could be big!

― griffin oome, Sunday, 21 December 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

a kim wilde for the 21st century?

if all born again christians look like that, where do i sign up?

― stirmonster, Sunday, 21 December 2003 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this the winner of Norwegian Pop Idol?

I do believe I have seen that face a few times during the past 7-8 months, yes :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 21 December 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

who is the racist comedian that is being talked about upthread? is it someone connected with this 'heil' programme? i dont remember ever seeing that programme, and reading the link it does seem like something from the dark days of the 70s, surprised, and disappointed, to see it is as late as 1990.

i think i might agree with doomie about spain being less insidiously racist than britain, but i dont think so about france, which i think is an extremely racist country on a number of levels, both overtly but also neurotically hidden. italy is an interesting case, there is certainly overt racism, but probably less of the under-the-carpet variety

this is the first pop-idol i havent seen, many of the interesting posts on this thread (particularly tom and doomie) make me wish i had though. liberty x still seem to have been the biggest winners from it though, by being enough of a blank canvas for people not to get bored

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 22 December 2003 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

wheeling out "PC" to cover any of the indulgences here still seems old fashioned to me. I endorse both the use of the word and being "politic", but the compound "PC" has had all the meaning sucked out of it years ago.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 22 December 2003 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems as though pc is what is used to describe a situation when you disagree with the criticism, but not in a situation when you are doing the criticisizing. it seems pc is something people you disagree with do, but never people you agree with.

funny, that

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 22 December 2003 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

It's great isn't it... "you are *********** correct and therefore wrong"...

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 22 December 2003 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Dunno about you lot, but I find that "PC" in tha UK is basically a replacement for "do-gooder" or "fashionable"!!!! (eg Old stuffy types used saying: "It may be fashionable to not want to crush the testicles of Johnny Foreigner" becomes "It may be PC not to...", probably because it might have even penetrated these peoples skulls that almost four decades is quite a long lifetime for a "fashion" to last!!!!!)

Anyway!!!! Dunno why it started with something Channel 4's "received opinion" about that flipping "Heil" proggy!!!! I mean, have they actually investigated anything about it or did they just read the tabloid "outrage"?!??!!? "Heil Honey, I'm Home" was an 'outrageous' sitcom broadcast on the old BSB satellite channel in 1990 to an audience of about 4 viewers!!!! It was a complete and utter pisstake in the (by then dated) really really obvious 1980s UK 'alternative comedy' sense!!!! (Basically, equating the traditional sitcom family with the Nazis!!!!) The plotline ("Adolf Hitler and his wife Eva live somewhere in 1930s American suburbia, next door to a Jewish couple, Arny and Rosa Goldenstein, and their dour niece, Ruth." Erm!!!!) and the deliberately contrived pantomine touches that virtually screamed "DON'T PANIC!!!! THIS IS A PARODY!!!!" basically told you all needed to know!!!!! The only sense in which it was offensive was the quality of the writing, which apparently wasn't that much cop!!!! The only reason it's "infamous" is because it got buried under a welter controversy stoked up by tabloids such as the Sun, who, coincidentelly enough were owned by the same boss who owned the competing Sky satellite channels!!!! This show can't be compared to shows in the 70s with yer actual serious racism issues, from the dodgy stuff ("Mind Your Language" or "Curry and Chips"), to clearly taking the piss out of it ("Till Death Do Us Part", "Rising Damp"), or sitting-on-the-fence-trying-to-have-their-cake-and-eat-it ("Love Thy Neighbour", "Ain't Half Hot Mum"). You're just not going to get shows like that made any more, (With the exception of the "Let's Take The Piss Out Of The Daft Bigot" type stuff like Al Murray) because despite all the moaning about "PC" and whatnot, people just don't funny any more!!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Monday, 22 December 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Arg!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Monday, 22 December 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, I though Michelle winning Pop Idol was jolly good!!!! There was hardly anything interesting about tha Idol, at least they ended it with the fat lady singing!!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Monday, 22 December 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"at least they ended it with the fat lady singing!!!!!"

God yes! (slaps head)

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 December 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no!!!! Some hack from The Observer has stolen my joke!!!!!!!

Pop Idol/Fame Academy. Now that the fat lady has sung, can it please all be over?

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Sunday, 28 December 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

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