What is the future of music

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I surfed throught the radio today to be at a loss to here anything that made me think we are progressing. I want to know what has rocked your boat and made you think that (this person, group) are pushing the edge. I want to hear the future please help

― espresso fetish (espresso fetish), Friday, 26 December 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have a complete response to your question, but I do want to say: please don't judge the current state of music, or its future, by what's on the radio.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 26 December 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

duh, there's actually a devolution going on.

― nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 26 December 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks rockscientist
I have a very specific taste in music
The collection is excessive
But even when i listen to most genres the only new thing is to run everything into a filter, pluggin

― espresso fetish (espresso fetish), Friday, 26 December 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Can you describe your taste in music, or give examples?

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 26 December 2003 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Because it might help people answer the question in a more targeted way.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 26 December 2003 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i suppose the future of music is direct reproduction of the sounds in ppl's heads....

― pete s, Friday, 26 December 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i archive electronica
from recorded electronic sounds from the 1930's to the most up to date electro and techno availible.

But i do listen o a huge vatiety of stuff

― espresso fetish (espresso fetish), Friday, 26 December 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

the future of music is in accidents

― Nik (Nik), Friday, 26 December 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

right on Nik
I n the studio, this is one of the most amazing parts of a piece
It is so zen
I really apprieciate those small defects
I makes it intersting
HUMAN

― espresso fetish (espresso fetish), Friday, 26 December 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

more of the same

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 26 December 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that part of the future of music will be that a lot of people will come to terms with the concept that a lot of the pop music that they enjoy has become a kind of traditional music which shouldn't be thought of as being so seperate from other traditional and folk musics. There's always going to be new spins on things, and new ways of making music within those traditions - it's just that we should not be so hung up novelty, or expect real widespread innovation to happen in regular intervals or from any particular style of music.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 26 December 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Until...

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 26 December 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Industrial collapse. No one will remember how to play instruments any longer. Rap will become even more important.

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 26 December 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Why can people only imagine bleak futures?
Hey, they still had speed-metal bands in Mega City One!

― pete s, Friday, 26 December 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Would industrial collapse include the destruction of all pre-existing pianos, guitars, drums, woodwinds and all other acoustic instruments? I don't buy that people would abandon traditional instruments en masse like that when it is more probable that electronic instruments would be the biggest casaulty of industrial collapse. Unless you mean to suggest that everyone would go back to the "two turntables and a microphone" model of rap music.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 26 December 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Matthew, I wasn't being very serious.

I actually liked the idea in your original post, but I think the function of a folk tradition has changed thanks to recording technology. Of course, there's always the uniqueness of a live music experience, but recording has maybe fueled the desire for change.

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 26 December 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(And I meant rap in the narrow sense of rapping, which is why I didn't say hip-hop.)

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 26 December 2003 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure if it is exactly recording which changes so much as the record industry operating like, well, an industry - to function, it needs to have at least an illusion of novelty to keep people interested, and I think a lot of our critical expections for music to evolve in some kind of linear narrative comes directly from that influence. I would think that anyone with a serious interest in the history of art and music would recognize that it is anything but a linear and obvious thing except for in the most extreme examples. So I really think that thinking about the immediate future of music ("what's going to be the next big thing" thinking in particular) in the present tense is a bit like speculating about what a 2007 model Lexus is going to be like.

I'm not sure if a lot of pop music can be directly analogous to folk musics now, but in some ways it can be like it. For example, you find a lot of people who will hear current bands playing in the style of say, 80s keyboard pop, and deride it for being retro or nostalgic, and my argument is that there's no good reason for bands to not play in (or explore) that particular musical tradition. Just because they are no longer fashionable or especially relevant, there's no good reason why any genre or subgenre from the past 60 years shouldn't continue on as a traditional form. I think a lot of this is just a problem of historical perspective - we think that certain styles of music are 'over' because we've lived through their initial arc in terms of the pop culture narrative and we don't take their latter day incarnations seriously because we've been taught to only respect novelty.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 26 December 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the expectation for periodic, big time, innovation, can be traced back to European classical music, as well, at least after a certain point.

(Will try to respond more completely later.)

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 26 December 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Rebellious people have been wanting people to abandon Mozart and Bach for a couple hundred years now. It still hasn't happened. There will be new genres and new styles, but the tradition will live too.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 26 December 2003 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Naughty, horrid, rebellious people!

― pete s, Friday, 26 December 2003 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir I think abandonment of artists and genres can only ever be a personal choice anyway.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 26 December 2003 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not quite sure how Geir's comment was relevant to this thread to begin with - what does Mozart and Bach have to do with the future music (any more than any other influential artist ever), and what does it have to do with the other tangent about 'modern' music becoming akin to traditional music?

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 26 December 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, really, that post could just as well have read "Elvis 4-evah!" or "The Rolling Stones music rulez always!"

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 26 December 2003 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing Geir says has any releveence to anything apart from Geir. Ever.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 27 December 2003 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, shut up you sub Marxist prole.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 27 December 2003 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

in the future please can their be no Pop Idol. Thanks.

― martin (martin), Saturday, 27 December 2003 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

hey dom can you call me a prole too

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 27 December 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

while i jack off

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 27 December 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

also post pictures of tupac

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 27 December 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 27 December 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever it is don't let Four-tet or Prefuse 73 in.

― gigmonkey (cs appleby), Sunday, 28 December 2003 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

bit too rowdy for you eh?

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 28 December 2003 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.nd.edu/~bkerwin/tupac.gif

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 28 December 2003 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Good enough?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 28 December 2003 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/dre700/e787/e78754zr6cw.jpg

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 28 December 2003 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish Lynskey was right, but I am afraid not ;)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Welcome, Espresso Fetish! Welcome to ILM! Not before time.

EF is a good friend of mine and the sweetest person who ever wielded a group handle.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 28 December 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

My answer to the question is this: let the future look after itself.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 28 December 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Technology will enable parametric control of the human voice at point of exhalation. Vocoders/digital pitchshifting etc. are today's equivalent of vintage monophonic synthesizers

― dave q, Sunday, 28 December 2003 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

― DarrensCoq (DarrenK), Sunday, 28 December 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

dave q
i am with you!
at the moment in the studio i im running 3hardware vocoders + software one, this is the freshest thing for me for vocal and filtering percussive sounds.

― espresso fetish (espresso fetish), Sunday, 28 December 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been listening to some jackie o motherfucker, tortoise, pink floyd's atom heart mother, stereolab, phish, and can lately and i think i like the idea of a devolving revolution that rocks.

― James eM, Sunday, 28 December 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

uhhhhh...me.

― tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Sunday, 28 December 2003 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Banging rocks together!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Monday, 29 December 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

My feeling is that we will return to a pre-rock default mode in which music is no more than a casual interest for most people and a real but somewhat specialised enthusiasm for a musically minded minority. The rock era, during which huge sections of the population with no musical aptitude nevertheless regarded their musical taste as a huge part of their identity, will look increasingly like an aberration.

Iconography and other extra-musical elements attaching to music will become less and less culturally important as we return to pre-rock normalcy. Most music writing as currently practised will more or less die out. Writing will continue at the teen-mag level and at a more specialised level concerned with form and technique rather than meaning.

― ArfArf, Monday, 29 December 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Darren I kiss you

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 29 December 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: Dave Q - I heartily agree. I've been involved with a handful of projects recently and a lot of the reason I'm getting call-backs and more offers is down to the stuff I'm doing with this technology. Proper hardware vocoders are great but there are far more flexible pieces of software appearing that can do much more.

It isn't entirely a vocal thing though - like Expresso Fetish says there are delights to be had using them with percussion / drums and any manner of other things. I've not heard many of the techniques I'm using yet on a commercial record, to be honest I think they'll be more useful in the near future for MBV pad-loving monsters like myself.

To illustrate - this is a small section of a vocal track of something I've been working on. All of this is one vocal and processing. (I won't be able to keep this up for long due to bandwidth so get it while its hot)

http://www.coastaltown.nildram.co.uk/images/formant.mp3

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 29 December 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice work Lynskey
I could only monitor it through some cheap and nasty computer
speakers. The vocoder sounded great, some large reverb too??
I am using a Korg VC-10, Warpfacory and an Ensoniq DP4
In a chain the sound becomes wild

― espresso fetish (espresso fetish), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

A city will literally be built on rock n roll.

Umm, also producers (the hip-hop kind) will become ever more omnipresent or something.

And something about fluidity.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That ain't no vocoder - vocoders work by having a carrier signal which the vocal input then reshapes. The effect there is achieved by maintaining the formant frequency of an piece of audio and replacing the harmonics to whatever you are playing on a midi keyboard, hence the harmonies. Yup, there's loads of 'verb, like I said, I'm a pad-loving monster.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

In the city built on rock and roll (literally) mentioned by christhamrin, the cars will all be powered by slamming 909 rhythms.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 1 January 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I had this city built on rock and roll discussion before with people and we had it pretty planned out. We were figuring out the engineering and physics of it and all. One of the most delightfully rediculus things ever.

Seriously though. Dismemberment Plan.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Friday, 2 January 2004 08:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Music's all in the future, until the song finishes. Why this fetish for progress? I find the kicks my favourite rekkids of 2003 give me are of a very similar sort to that wot I get if I put on a Chuck Berry comp. Things have to change in order to deliver the listening charge in fresh ways, but some combination of exciting rhythmic punch and smart (or funny) surface (including lyrics, tunes, texture and hooks) hasn't shown much sign of tiring on me. The same pleasure buttons get pushed, and I get real excited if that pushing also delivers me a new way of understanding something in my mind or body.

So, the future of music for me is more of the same, only different enough to remain fresh. It is even possible that this difference will at some point coincide with something that has already happened, but made fresh again. This is also the future of sex.

― plebian plebs (plebian), Friday, 2 January 2004 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Well that's just about perfect. Beautiful.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 2 January 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a really nice clip, lynskey.

I agree w/whoever said let the future take care of itself.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 January 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Future of music? Well, short-term, probably exactly the same songs we've been hearing for the past few months. Ludacris' "Stand Up," etc.

― Lewis J. Bateman (Lewis Bateman), Friday, 2 January 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

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