The latest Michael Jackson interview.

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Any thoughts? A transcript is here.

The weirdly slow Michael was on display this time, rather than the jittery one.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 29 December 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Um...mostly just that looking directly at him these days sorta freaks me out. And I think he might be innocent.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"If you really want to know about me, there's a song I wrote, which is the most honest song I've ever written. It's the most autobiographical song I've ever written. It's called "Childhood". They should listen to it. That's the one they really should listen to.

The most "honest" song he's ever written is called "Childhood", and it's the theme from Free Willy 2. I'm not touching that.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 29 December 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

did you see the clip of the "childhood" video? it was pretty intense

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 29 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is everything today so GODDAMN DARK!

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 29 December 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I don't think "dark" is an apt description of MJ's visage.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 29 December 2003 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the quote? "Only in America could a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white woman"

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 29 December 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"MICHAEL JACKSON: Then one time, I asked to use the restroom. And they said, "Sure, it's right around the corner there." Once I went in the restroom, they locked me in there for like 45 minutes. There was doo doo, feces thrown all over the walls, the floor, the ceiling. And it stunk so bad. Then one of the policemen came by the window. And he made a sarcastic remark. He said, "Smell — does it smell good enough for you in there? How do you like the smell? Is it good?" And I just simply said, "It's alright. It's okay." So, I just sat there, and waited. "

Chris 'Knuckle Deep' V. (Chris V), Monday, 29 December 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Doo-Doo.

Chris 'Knuckle Deep' V. (Chris V), Monday, 29 December 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

ED BRADLEY: What is your response to the allegations that were brought by the district attorney in Santa Barbara, that you molested this boy?

MICHAEL JACKSON: Totally false. Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists.

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/12/28/image590405x.jpg

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 29 December 2003 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

He had me, then he lost me. He started out talking about what he sets out to do for children, children with cancer and leukemia and such, give them an amusement park to play at, and help them feel better even if they're not going to get well. And I thought, you go, Michael. That's totally cool. And then most of the rest of the interview was a bunch of whining. He kept saying, "I'm hurting." And I just wanted to shake him and yell at him, "This is not about you!"

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 29 December 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

This one gets me every time:

JACKSON ACCUSER: There was one night, I asked him if I could stay in the bedroom. And he let me stay in the bedroom. And I was like, Michael, you can sleep on the bed. And he was like, no, no you sleep in the bed. And then he finally said, ‘Okay, if you love me, you’ll sleep on the bed.’ I was like, ‘Oh, man.’ And so I finally slept on the bed.

It's totally chilling until you remember that that night, Jackson slept on the floor.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 29 December 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, it was funnier the way he said it on 60 Min. Doodoofeces. No comma. Like it's all one word. I said to myself, "What?"

scott m (mcd), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm leaning toward believing Michael now. He's so unscripted and responding in such bizarre ways -- it seems like a crazy rich guy who really had something to hide would present a more coherent defense. He hasn't changed his cockamamie story at all, still shares his bed with kids, still doesn't have a problem with it.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 29 December 2003 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I've looked up Krafft-Ebing's 'Psychosexual Neuroses' and there isn't a word for people who are sexully attracted to terminal chemo-therapy cancer patients with no hair and no eyebrows. As a perversion, it seems to be completely undocumented. Either Jackson is the weirdest sicko on the planet, or someone wants his money.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 29 December 2003 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(What's the word for people who are financially attracted to very rich people? That does seem to be a more common perversion.)

Momus (Momus), Monday, 29 December 2003 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(Common perversions, of course, get called 'normal' and become invisible.)

Momus (Momus), Monday, 29 December 2003 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

http://thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/jackochargeinside.jpg

I was struck by how much make-up he wears these days, I mean he looks like a freakin drag queen: lip stick, false eye lashes, heavy eye liner. He had the same amount of make-up when he posed for this mug shot after he turned himself in. It's my understanding that before suspects have their mug shot taken they have to wash off all make-up. The rumor going around now is that that make-up is actually TATTOOED ONTO HIS FACE! That's right: permanent red lips, eye liner, etc. Anyone know anything about this?

nonthings (nonthings), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Those eyebrows sure look like Magic Marker to me...

nonthings (nonthings), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh GOD my mother once berated me for ruining an expensive Chip & Dale doll (not Chippendale doll;, Mom was not that progressive) I had just recieved as a gift as she thought I had drawn a Magic Marker outline around the eyes when in fact the eyes had just come like that right from the factory and the more I flabbergastedly argued my innocence the more she almost cried, but anyways, I think Mike might be innocent too: if you're the kind of person for whom memories of childhood are random involuntary heat-bursts of carnage and embarrassment, I guess it is sort of plausible that to make yourself feel better you'd try to edit and rescreen your youth by the most stupid, misguided, but ultimately harmless means necessary (I mean, last week I wore a diaper to the club and later shot a cop).

DarrensCoq (DarrenK), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't any normal child be too scared shitless to come within a hundred metres of that... thing... let alone want to sleep in the same room?

It's the kiddies who are the sickos.


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Anyway, it's good to see MJ dangling his kids over the balcony. Usually he just tosses them off.

Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I had mixed feelings before, but think he's totally innocent now. I think maybe in the effort to be vigilant against kiddie porn, child molesters, and that kind of thing, we've come to view situations like this as sexual whether we like it or not. Not that many men in our culture want or have time to hang out with kids the way Jackson does, and the fact that he does now seems hopelessly beyond the pale. But there really is nothing wrong with it. Unfortunately, I can't think of a way for him to gracefully clear his name; even if he's cleared as these charges he's eternally branded a creep. I'm not saying there isn't a lot about Jackson that isn't Grade A freakish, clearly there is. But as for his affection for kids and wanting to play with them, etc., I think it's authentic and non-sexual. Maybe not the ideal of mature, adult emotions and relationships, but still innocent, and perfectly within the law.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

His face makes more sense when you compare these two:

http://www.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/37722/41888.jpg

http://thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/jackochargeinside.jpg

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I think at the root of this case lies a neurosis -- not Michael Jackson's, but one that seems to have taken hold of our culture. We are not pluralistic. Difference makes us uneasy.

Children are different. Michael Jackson is different. We have two basic modes when we encounter something different. We either admire it, see it as exotic, sexually fetishize it, or we try to make it conform, force it to be like us. (Sometimes we do both at the same time.) When we encounter difference in children or exotic foreign cultures, we know that it is convergent: these people may be different, but they're becoming more like us. Children will become adults, foreigners will lose their unique customs and become more western. Michael Jackson, on the other hand, seems to be becoming less like us. He is getting more different over time. And this is just not acceptible. He must be destroyed.

We cannot co-exist with difference, because we are not pluralists. We're pretty primitive. Basically, when we see something different, we want to fuck it or kill it. We've been fucking Michael Jackson for thirty years, and now it's time to kill him.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

This relates to the "Looking for adult themes in kids entertainment" from a while back...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I was struck by how much make-up he wears these days, I mean he looks like a freakin drag queen: lip stick, false eye lashes, heavy eye liner.

After this many plastic operations, his two options are either to wear a lot of makeup or to look like a monster.

I do understand his choice...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I firmly believe that we should always question the validity of our definition of "normal" before we get too swept up in persecuting anyone for straying too far from it: far too many of the criteria that our society has adopted as means of identifying or defining what consitutes socially / legally acceptable behaviour, actually seem to be entirely arbitrary when you think about them logically and dispassionately.

However I certainly don't believe that every possible variation from our definition of "normal" is potentially "valid".

I'm not at all sure which side of this "validity" divide Michael Jackson falls on - but I do believe that his wealth and status has not only allowed him to create his own little world in which he has been able to indulge in behaviour that wouldn't generally be considered "normal" but has simultaneously forced him to live in his own little world and to indulge in behaviour that wouldn't generally be considered "normal".

I think this makes it doubly difficult for us to judge him in any valid way.

If he was an ordinary person with an ordinary job living in an ordinary house in an ordinary street surrounded by ordinary people, I very much doubt that he would have been able to continue for very long to behave in a manner as far from what our society considers to be "normal".

At the same time however, if he was an ordinary person with an ordinary job living in an ordinary house in an ordinary street surrounded by ordinary people, I can't help but wonder whether his behaviour would ever have strayed as far as it has from what our society considers to be "normal".

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are people so mean to Momus on this board? He's a bright guy.

DarrensCoq (DarrenK), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

it's an annoying male bonding thing by people who think they've transcended that sort of thing.

iopadf, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I really don't think Jackson is capable of molesting kids, emotionally or physically. He seems to be completely asexual as is.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 06:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are people so mean to Momus on this board? He's a bright guy.

He is, and we all know that. People give him shit because he won't admit any error. When backed into a corner, he'll get more and more nonsensical instead of just admitting his errors in reasoning. It gets ridiculous, and since this is all kinda permanent record, it's easy to remember the time he's been ridiculous. So that's where that comes from.

That aside: Momus, you're right about our demonization of difference. Of course you are. But our demonization of Michael Jackson, I think, stems from a slightly different place. Because with him, it's not just a difference issue, it's a class issue. Stewart OTM. As much as Michael himself would like to cast the debate into terms of race, it's really about rich and poor. Michael is a very extreme example of what rich people can get away with, and that, more than anything, is why the general population hates him.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Pop-Culture-Personified (bear with me) is pissed off that Michael still refuses to kill himself and bring his prolongued "tragic descent" act to its logical conclusion. His pain is everyone's pain. (I'm serious about this. Think about how convenient and comfy everyone would feel if he killed himself and everyone would be finally allowed to mourn and absolve themselves of his "freak" period.)

Still... blaming everything on "society." I guess that makes me Michael Jackson. (I do think he's innocent. It seems all too plausible that the kid's parents saw flashing money signs over their kid's digitally obscured face when he appeared over and over again on that Brit doc earlier this year, giggling "Cash-in time!")

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Kill himself? Jesus, man. Your last post gave me the creepy nasty chills like nothing Calum ever wrote. That's awful.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I should make it more clear that I'm railing on what I consider to be a heartless pop culture. Michael as a person basically never existed for most people, so they'd rather Michael the zombie shell went away as Michael the King of Pop did so many years ago.

I'm by NO MEANS saying that I think Michael should kill himself. I'm on the guy's side. And I totally agree with Lynskey upthread re: "why does everything have to be so goddamned dark?"

(I was and still am listening to the soundtrack for Irreversible as I typed this, so maybe that accounts for painting the picture a tad more dramatic than necessary.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

*imagines Jacko getting anally raped*

may pang (maypang), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

ew.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, I didn't make the movie.

may pang (maypang), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree that the interview made me believe that it is much more likely that MJ is innocent than guilty, but the overall impression I got is that MICHAEL JACKSON IS A FUCKING MORON WHO HAS NO CONCEPT OF HOW TO FUNCTION IN SOCIETY. As my father-inlaw said, "If you are so convinced that there's a conspiracy against you, why do you keep handing them bullets?"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

bingo.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

true dat.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

My overall impression is Michael Jackson is a crazy man, but maybe not a harmful crazy man.

Christian Rawk (Christian Rawk), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he's harmful to children, but not necessarily in the way that he's been charged with.
but he certainly doesn't seem to have enough of a grasp of cause and effect to be responisible for the safety and well-being of youngsters.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Jackson in being-harmful-to-kids-in-almost-precisely-the-same-way-that-80-percent-of-adults-are-harmful-to-kids shockah.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That's kind of what I meant.
But I'm tired and really don't have enough grasp of cause and effect to be commenting on this case.
I don't think he's a pedophile but he's definitely a dangler. And for his kids, everyday is Halloween.

Christian Rawk (Christian Rawk), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, but he seems to have it/do it in a much more reckless than normal fashion.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think we can safely equate MJ's unique approach to parenting to that of 80 per cent of moms and dads.

Christian Rawk (Christian Rawk), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

You're saying that 80% of the people out there with or around kids for significant periods of time don't do things that set bad examples for the kids?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

of all the things I might call dangling a baby off a german balcony, "a bad example" is not at the top of the list.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

No. But you said precisely the same way. I think MJ has kind of raised the bar a bit with some of his more bizarre proclivities.

Christian Rawk (Christian Rawk), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh come on -- The balcony-dangling was blown ALL out of proportion. It's not that much different from a dad throwing his baby way up in the air, toward the ceiling, and the mom getting all scared because the baby might fall and hurt himself. (When, truth is, babies are a lot more indestructible than people think. Plus the dad probably knows how to catch pretty good.) (Um, maybe in some families, the MOM tosses the baby up, and the DAD gets scared. Or they BOTH do, and the grandparents start fretting. But you get the idea.) For all we know, the baby LIKED being dangled off the ledge. It's not like Eric Clapton, forgetting to use damn window guards. (Rob Sheffield's review of "Tears in Heaven": "Kill it before it grows," heh heh.)

chuck, Wednesday, 31 December 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing about parenting is that EVERYBODY always wants to butt in and give their two cents about how they could do it better than you. Michael should tell nosey people to mind their own business, dammit! (Or at least when he's dangling his kid from the balcony, he should.)

chuck, Wednesday, 31 December 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)


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