Do you get really edgy about music?

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I know I've written lots of stuff on the back of conversations that made me want to scream. Why, when someone says "I don't like dance music" do I have to go into detail on how they ARE narrow minded no matter what way they look at it. Why do I have to tell people Country is not what they think it is, Ash are no better than "shit manufactured pop", Stereophonics are not indie, Mogwai are not noise, genres mean nothing, I know best........ME. At least thats probably how I comes across, are any of you guys like this? I know I am. But if all the idiots who don't agree with me would just learn.................. : )

― Ronan, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm afraid I understand yr question a little too well. Except, of course, you're mistaken. It's not you, it's me. ME!!!!

― M. Matos, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

of course yr all fucked, oh, no hang on, _we're_ all fucked.

― Geoff, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

so are all arguments about music essentially pointless and based on subjectivity?

is it possible to empirically prove that you are right and someone else is wrong in a question of taste?

― fritz, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The fact that PiL's Metal Box is the best record ever made is not a question of taste! (Which answers your question.)

― Andy, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is narrow minded always bad? I don't think so.

― nathalie, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm the same way, Ronan. You know, we really are very much alike. Let's hang out soon, ok? C'mon, we'll have fun.

― Sean, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"The fact that PiL's Metal Box is the best record ever made is not a question of taste! (Which answers your question.)"

argh, that can't be true. Just look at 'Albatross' ... it's clear that in one sense Lydon was referencing the cumulative weight of all those Sex Pistols years, like a millstone around his neck. But at the same time, considering the old 'I Hate Pink Floyd' shirt he used to wear, and his distaste for pretention and the progressive rock of old, you've got this sprawling, ten-minute piece that just goes on and on ... the fact that it can be punishing in its continuity doesn't excuse the stylistic flaw -- he's imitating the grandiose styles he hated. It's not that there's no room for change, just that any album that concerned with its predecessors (like the legacy of the Romantic poets) is going to be caught up with them ..

Don't get me wrong. I love Metal Box. Jah Wobble's ridiculous basslines still sound so good today .. all those tracks opening up that hollow, abyss-like space that the Velvet Underground and Joy Division found a bit of ... I'm just using yer comment as an excuse to sound off, since I don't believe in the 'best album' question anyway.

chris.

― Dare, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hold on, I've always liked country! You mean Tim McGraw and the Dixie Chicks, right?

― dave q, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I sent a nasty note to the opera today and cancelled my season tickets.
I will get into huge fights about country.

― anthony, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

..."the fact that it (PiL's "Albatross") can be punishing in its continuity doesn't excuse the stylistic flaw -- he's imitating the grandiose styles he hated..."

What's this "stylistic flaw" you speak of? Progressive tendencies are not in and of themselves bad--in fact, some of the coolest music ever has come from people trying to push the envelope. It's just that the execution of those tendencies can be great or poor. I think I read something by Simon Reynolds in which he wondered, concerning Johnny Rotten's "I hate Pink Floyd" shirt, why he had a Pink Floyd shirt in the first place. And as far as those "grandiose styles he hated," Lydon's favorite band at the time was the Deutsch jamming monster Can, so I hardly think he hated progressive tendencies in music.

― Clarke B., Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I get cagey about music.

― jason, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

John Lydon's autobiography says that you can only hate Pink Floyd for so long.

― Damian, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"the fact that it (PiL's "Albatross") can be punishing in its continuity doesn't excuse the stylistic flaw -- he's imitating the grandiose styles he hated..." 'What's this "stylistic flaw" you speak of? Progressive tendencies are not in and of themselves bad -- in fact, some of the coolest music ever has come from people trying to push the envelope.'

In the context of what I was saying, the imitative fallacy -- just that he created his own sloppy epic in berating/mocking other's. But I agree with you, I don't think he was entirely against progressivism, so my comments worked more to point out the historical complications of that album, rather than any flaw ...

but in a personal-listening sense, the flaw is just that the damn song drones on too long. it gets boring after about the 6th or 7th minute ;)

― Dare, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

he wuz also a big and public fan of peter hamill and vdgg, in whose sector of prog PiL arguably fall: and of neil young and capt beefy, whom arguably ditto kinda

― mark s, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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