― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)
Better lyrics than anything on "Speakerboxxx": "A.D.I.D.A.S."*Better beats than anything on "The Love Below": "U Know I Love U"
I mean, yeah, I still dig on "Hey Ya" but that's like saying I thought Liam Neeson was cool in The Phantom Menace.
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Kish Kash isn't even on fucking metacritic! Behold all the Outkast slobbering tho: Only Rolling Stone and the Austin Chronicle dare give it below 70.
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)
"A witty comedy with a message."
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)
I mean, I know the reason for this, but can people's musical expanses really be THAT narrowminded, seeing as the progression from Rooty to Kish Kash was pretty much plain for all to see?
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)
As sad as the Kish Kash situation is, I was one of four people who voted for the Chemical Brothers' Come With Us in 2002's P&J (and it's one of the six albums on that list I still actually like). I think we're not supposed to dance what with there being wars and Osama and shit.
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)
I've seen so many local rock-centric lists where Outkast on the one hand stick out like a sore thumb - the only "black" music, the only American pop music - and yet on the other hand accord with the rest of the list's vague respectability (Outkast as innovators, moving beyond boundaries of hip hop etc.). Basement Jaxx's relationship to black music is one step removed, they're from the UK, they're no longer making obvious chart hits and their respectability isn't quite so glaring. Instead of providing the bridge between the populist music that the critics want to engage with and all the stuff they actually engage with (same ol' indie rock) they sorta fall between the two stools. It may not even be that the listmakers didn't like Kish Kash; perhaps there just weren't nearly as many reasons to listen to it in the first place.
It's not fair to say this is the only or even predominant reason for Outkast's greater critical success obv - there are a lot of people who love populist hip hop who also love S/TLB, and a lot of people who love both it and Kish Kash.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― tipustiger, Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 3 January 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sean M (Sean M), Saturday, 3 January 2004 07:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 3 January 2004 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 3 January 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)
Goddamn.
― spittle (spittle), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― spittle (spittle), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― spittle (spittle), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, even though I love Speakerboxxx way more than Dre's record, is it just riding the rockist coattails of its counterpart? I mean, Ghettomusick and horn sections aside, it's not THAT different from other hip-hop and from the last 'Kast record, right?
It's just really good.
― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris O., Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 3 January 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)
somewhat ironically i understand all the criticisms for the Outkast album(s) perfectly, yet it's still just about edged my top pick of the year from Basement Jaxx - i love the ideas of it too much, am swung by the promises it makes (but doesnt necessarily deliver on) - and if nothing else just ignore the weaker parts and enjoy my own definition of the album (single disc combining tracks from both or whatever)
― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)
Ew, now I hate the future.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)
TLB is, however, a straight up masterpiece IMHO, a once-in-a-lifetime record that A3K will have to live up to for the rest of his carreer. I will not add to the praise og this marvelous and imaginative and balanced work of art - others have already said it far better than I am able to. But I will say this: Both the Jaxx record and the André record are clearly made out of an artistic desire, no, a desperate need to change directions, and for me it is clear that André has succeeded to a much larger extent.His songs were initially meant to be the soundtrack for a film, and he has internalized them for the past three years or so, figuring out how to make good songs when you are a rapper, using all your arsenal of inspiration from that musical game. The difference between the two records may actually be that the Jaxx are running beautifully and inventively out of inspiration, trying to press and squeeze the music they love towards something they don't even know what is themselves. They are stressed and they don't have much to give from. André, however, is using his rich hip hop background as the template for making great songs. He has already left his former artistic selv behind, and is not clinging to it like the Jaxx.
It follows then, of course, that whereas The Jaxx are still discovering a tiny bit of new ground on ntheir new album, André is having fun inside already known boundaries (which he is stretching to the fullest, though).
Does this make sense?
― Jay Kid (Jay K), Saturday, 3 January 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)
I thought it was "forever my Beyonce!" that sucks!
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)
the AllMusicGuide reviewRobert Christgau's review
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael B, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Amazing Randy (Amazing Randy), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 July 2004 02:21 (twenty years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 23 July 2004 02:24 (twenty years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 July 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:12 (twenty years ago)
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 July 2004 13:26 (twenty years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 23 July 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago)
The Love Below is great
― admrl, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago)
Amazing thread.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 00:43 (sixteen years ago)
I too will defy the hivemind. Could be a third shorter though.
― chap, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 00:52 (sixteen years ago)
thread title otm
― deej, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 00:58 (sixteen years ago)
I for one could never get into Kish Kash. Crazy Itch Radio is the real Jaxx masterpiece.
Bitching about "She Lives in My Lap" because it sounds like "the R&B Mr. Bungle" = most retarded thing I've ever read on ILX.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 01:26 (sixteen years ago)
Five years on, SB/TLB still totally rocks the house. Top ten of the decade for sure.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 01:28 (sixteen years ago)
remarkable challop archeology
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 02:29 (sixteen years ago)
hahahaha like tracing the rings of a mighty oak
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 02:37 (sixteen years ago)
Prediction: In five years, way more people will still be talking about David Banner's record than the OutKast one. And on the rock side, the Stripes and the Mars Volta will be the long-term survivors.
^^ This guy knows what's up.
― energy flash gordon, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 03:06 (sixteen years ago)
-- some dude, Tuesday, August 5, 2008 9:37 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
loolol
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 6 August 2008 03:20 (sixteen years ago)
lol jc chasez when he had contender status.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago)
"Caroline (Caroline!) She's the reason for the world bitch (bitch!)
I hope she's speedingonthewaytotheclubtryingtohurryuptogettosomeballerorsingerorsomebodylikethatandtrytoputonhermakeupinthemirror and CRASH!! CRAAASH!! CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH into a DITCH!! (Just playin'!)"
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 7 August 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago)
Better lyrics than anything on "Speakerboxxx": "A.D.I.D.A.S." Better beats than anything on "The Love Below": "U Know I Love U"
What are these songs?
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 7 August 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago)
PITCHFORK GAVE "ROSES" ONE-AND-A-HALF STARS?!?!?!?
WHAT the FUCK!?!?!
"Lyrically, it's just all too ridiulous"?? Even the immortal rhyme, "Caroline (Caroline!) She's the reason for the world bitch (bitch!) I hope she's speedingonthewaytotheclubtryingtohurryuptogettosomeballerorsingerorsomebodylikethatandtrytoputonhermakeupinthemirror and crash, craaaash, craaaaaaash into a ditch!"?
-- Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, March 8, 2004 7:10 PM (3 years ago)
― jaymc, Thursday, 7 August 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago)
So good I had to post it twice.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 7 August 2008 20:46 (sixteen years ago)
To show up 5 years late to the party:
I like both. Took the Love Below a year to grow on me (mostly due to a knee-jerk "WTFingF?!?" since I grew up loving OutKast - ATLiens was the first I heard of them in 5th grade). But it is kinda cheesy. I know where he's going with that and that it's supposed to be, but I can't help thinking one of my favorite rappers went for a Dan Deacon-style record for a bit. And I don't like Dan Deacon.
― skygreenleopard, Friday, 8 August 2008 01:35 (sixteen years ago)
"right here's the spot" is such DEEP FUNK 4eva
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:54 (fourteen years ago)
damn, I think ^^^ is my fave jaxx trak
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:06 (fourteen years ago)
i know you fancy me i FANCY you
― marilyn VO5 savant (donna rouge), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:18 (fourteen years ago)