If The Cure go metal will it sound like...

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Pornography played by The God Machine, with a bit of luck.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 4 January 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

He's already said it's going to be a stripped-down album, compared it to Seventeen Seconds. After the overwrought track-stuffing and flatly compressed wall of flange that was Bloodflowers, I'd hope he has the sense to pare things down.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 4 January 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

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"As a career move, I can't really recommend it. But if you're in it for the groupies..."

Sansai, Sunday, 4 January 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha! Sansai, you're a good sort.

I have the box set on order for the end of the month. I await patiently.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 January 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"...flatly compressed wall of flange that was Bloodflowers..."

Exactly, and I've been praying this is not an omen regarding the remasters. The bass was a total drone, it's ridiculous. And in spite of all that the vocals drift in and out of the mix (though that may have been intentional). I imagine Bob has a lot of say in the remastering process, and he hasn't been particularly respectful to his back catalog in the past.

Sansai, Sunday, 4 January 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been praying this is not an omen regarding the remasters.

I'm not selling mine back until I hear the remasters (and if I prefer the older issues, I'll keep those in the new cases with the extra disc of goodies for each staying right where it is, of course).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 January 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I said elsewhere Bloodflowers needs to be completely remixed. That record, from the cover art to the liner notes to the mix, is the product of a control freak run amok. Since he lost Porl Thompson's image and Chris Parry's guidance means less to him as he gets older, he's made enormous ego mistakes. The scribbled Paint Shop Pro cover is a harbinger of the "I've been learning ProTools/Cubase" mix within; he overcorrected for the populist album-by-committee disaster that is Wild Mood Swings.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 4 January 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

(This is where Dan and I disagree with this assessment of Bloodflowers -- thank you, move on.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 January 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

robert smith looks like bruce springsteen in that pic.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 4 January 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

He actually looks great without the makeup, he just hasn't put 2 and 2 together yet.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 4 January 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thought "Never Enough" was kinda metal.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 4 January 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

They did play with Motorhead in '78..."Object" and "It's Not You", complete metal.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 4 January 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"Doubt" on Faith was kinda metal too....in an anaemic sorta way, maybe.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 4 January 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cure going metal seems mostly a production choice to me (as several posters above have intimated). Song-structure-wise it's hardly a stretch -- they have the minor-key melodies, plodding rhythms, gloomy lyrical subject matter, and Robert Smith is a skilled-enough guitarist to pull it off.

"One Hundred Years" and "The Kiss" are a heartbeat away from metal songs; "M" and "The Blood" would lend themselves to snazzy metal remakes. Hopefully Messr. Smith will have the savvy to poach some bad-ass Scandinavian dark-metal musicians to play the new material live -- you just know Dimmu Borgir have some Cure records sitting around.

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Sunday, 4 January 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

robert smith looks like bruce springsteen in that pic.

I was thinking more along the lines of Ben Affleck, unfortunately.

OTT OTM.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 4 January 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and back to the Crue, two things: 1) There is a Skinny Puppy remix of "Hooligan's Holiday" out there somewhere. Anyone hear it?
2) Sometimes I think there is a conspiracy to prevent us from finding out that Motley Crue and the Cure are the same band. Cure. Crue. Crue. Cure. They were both on Elektra. They both had big hair and dressed in black. And has anyone seen them in the same room together?

-- Sean Carruthers (oneiro...), July 6th, 2001.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 4 January 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

you just know Dimmu Borgir have some Cure records sitting around

Siegbran has said Katatonia is an even more likely candidate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 January 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Robert Smith, speaking to RollingStone.com, 2 weeks ago said this:

"The heavier sound we're going for is more to do with the tempos and dynamics and the space were leaving," he says."The more space you leave, the heavier you get. It's actually the antithesis of the new-metal assault, which is all about piling things on. It's going back to the Faith period, but making the sounds themselves a lot heavier and more savage."

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 4 January 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

My idea of a Cure gone metal, would be.. In the Woods: Omnio

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 4 January 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)


wouldn't it sound like the chorus in dinosaur jr.'s just like heaven? YOU!!!!

notfazed (notfazed), Sunday, 4 January 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Rob's been clocking the last two Isis records for sure.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 4 January 2004 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The bass was a total drone, it's ridiculous.

DOES NOT COMPUTE

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"wall of flange"

yeah i thought affleck, has he had plastic surgery? Ben affleck? recently? he looks so perfect.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 5 January 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The booming, fat bass sound is one of the highlights of _Bloodflowers_; it's the closest any of their studio albums have come to capturing the sound of Simon's live bass.

Also, the people saying he looks like Been Affleck or Bruce Springsteen on the cover seem to be going blind.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 January 2004 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Not on the cover you silly man, in the picture above, with Bowie...or is that William H. Macy?

I'm not sure what your point is by quoting me above, Tad, but I stand by that comment.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not selling mine back until I hear the remasters (and if I prefer the older issues, I'll keep those in the new cases with the extra disc of goodies for each staying right where it is, of course).

But some of the old CDs sound terrible - especially Boys Don't Cry (for instance, the scream at the end of "Subway Song" is cut off very sloppily) and Pornography (ugh, so cruddy) - the North American discs anyhow. I can't imagine that the remasters will be worse than these - a remastering of the Cure back catalogue is long overdue.

Kent Burt (lingereffect), Monday, 5 January 2004 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

re. the metal sound, I expect it myself to be along the lines of Shake Dog Shake.

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Monday, 5 January 2004 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Not on the cover you silly man, in the picture above, with Bowie...or is that William H. Macy?

HA that makes more sense now; I couldn't get the picture to load yesterday.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 January 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Regarding the bass, Dan:

Obviously, bass guitar should generally be compressed to bring up the sustain, but on Bloodflowers it's so compressed that there's absolutely no difference in volume between the initial pick and the sustain. It's particularly irritating on "Watching Me Fall" (which, if I recall, you adore... ahem...), on which it sounds like they might as well be using an e-bow (nothing against e-bow in general, of course); that lack of definition just doesn't work well in a rock-out song, at least to me.

Sansai, Monday, 5 January 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I like my bass lubugrious and overwhelming (see also "Milkshake" by Kelis) (haha I am the only person alive who would think of equating "Watching Me Fall" and "Milkshake") (help me)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 January 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, here is the place where I say I hear heavy metal Robert Smith whenever I hear The Darkness, the vocal similarity is weird.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 5 January 2004 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

The answer to this thread is: The Deftones!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 5 January 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)


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