Search and Destroy : New Order

Destroy: Republic. (Yuck...)

Destroy -- any and all Revenge discs you find.

Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!

Search -- Technique, seeing as every song is great Destroy -- (the best of) New Order: chronological sequencing produces miserable conclusion, except for "Blue Monday" inexplicably made penultimate, and what's with all the dumb remixes??

Destroy: the album version of "Subculture", which is far and away the worst thing they've ever recorded. Honorable mention to "Pineapple Face" by Revenge for being incomprehensible.

When it comes to destroy, it has to be said that "World in Motion" is the worst song recorded by anyone.

EVER.

It almost makes latter day Bryan Adams look cool. The utterly craptastic lyric "Arivaderci it's one on one" alone would qualify it for the honor.

Destroy: Yeah some of those songs on Republic were really cringeworthy, though I think all the other singles are relatively okay.

Destroy:most of the remixes of their songs as they are just poor. Special mention goes to the wonderfully useless Arman van Heldan (?) mix of bizarre love triangle.

"World In Motion" may be a largely useless song, but at least it's sung in tune. I have no idea how much Bernard had been drinking before he recorded the vocals for "Subculture", but let's hope he never ever drinks that much again.

I'm sitting here gritting my teeth just thinking about it...

Destroy: 'Blue Monday', horrifically dull and inexplicable showered with praise.

Destroy: NEW ORDER

But many more could be named, especially in the first category.

destroy: blue monday

Brotherhood side one

Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)

Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)

Destroy:

Republic

the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique

Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]

BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.

Discuss.

It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.

* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky

* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"

* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"

I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"

By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."

Cheers

Ci

Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"

Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."

so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

... at least that's what I think it's called...

knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.

Thank you.

Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)

Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.

http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp

I saw them in the 80s and promptly forgot for 15 years that I had seen them. That said, it was at a shed venue, squishy lawn bad for dancing on a hot summer night and a generally not-very-neworder environment

Peter Hook and the Light ARE better live than New Order, I've seen both and it's not even close. And yeah, he regularly plays a bunch of deep cuts and mixes up the setlist from night to night. He's just a lot of fun to see live (and it was definitely him playing bass during the Perfect Kiss when I saw him a couple months ago).

I saw them in the 80s and promptly forgot for 15 years that I had seen them.

same, but now I can hear a recording of that show, and it's astonishing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2mxdn0fJ9s

(the visual is not actually from the Billy Barty show -- there is a shot of that one online though & my 16-year-old profile is visible in it)

Lots of good tidbits in this Stephen Morris interview:

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/new-orders-stephen-morris-talks-brotherhood-definitive-edition-music-videos-whats-next-more-bv-interview/

I didn't know they wrote lyrics as a group:

-In Peter Hook’s New Order memoir, Substance, he credits you with the “Bizarre Love Triangle” lyric “I feel shot right through with the bolt of blue.” Is that how you remember it?

No. I wish I had. Maybe I did, and I was just so incredibly stoned at the time I don’t remember, but I’ve got to say, I have no recollection of it as a fact.

-During that era, the lyrics were a little bit more of a group process than just Bernard writing everything, right?

Yes that’s true, we all contributed to the lyrics in the ’80s. For Brotherhood, we ended up in Amazon Studios in Liverpool. We were in one studio, and Echo & the Bunnymen were across the corridor in another studio, and they’d just come in and they’d be amazed at us going, “Moon, June. What could possibly rhyme with June that isn’t moon?” Ian McCulloch was like, “You write lyrics by committee?!?” I said, “Yeah, don’t you?” They were astounded and rather amused at our terrible scribblings. Yeah, but anything will do when you’re desperate, a literal bolt from the blue. “Bizarre Love Triangle” was one of our better efforts, I think. It was corporate lyric writing. Don’t do it when you’re drunk!

-Was the “I think you are a pig, you should be in a zoo” line from “Every Little Counts” a drunk on the mic lyric?

Yeah. That was literally the one take, and that was it. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, what should we do? “Every second counts when I’m with you.” Someone said, “I think you’re a pig.” That was probably Gillian, I think, who came out with that one. “You should be in a zoo.” Right, “Go on Bernard. You sing that.” It’s just like, “What?” Yeah, yeah. We didn’t take it too seriously, as you can probably tell from that track,

-What about “You caught me at a bad time, so why don’t you piss off?” from “Your Silent Face”? I always figured that was an ad lib.

Well no, actually. Believe it or not, we agonized over that line. It’s always the ones that have a kind of element of grandeur. Like “Your Silent Face.” It’s kind of, it’s beautiful, it’s rolling countryside. Well, how can we … We can’t, we can’t. We’ve got to show people that we’re not actually as pretentious as it sounds, so yeah, stick a jokey lyric in, and the same on “Every Little Counts.”

I alluded to it in the Bernard Sumner thread.

really good interview, i hope bernard will listen to him & gillian and agree to play "leave me alone" live again

Ahem...anyone still have the old Recycle blog versions? Had them all and miss them - darned Lacie external drive. I remember them sounding the best of any versions I'd owned.

Drop me a line

That's the fan remastered 12"s, right?

Yup. Ned - thanks! Am on it!

Since my ilxor email is compromised I BSKY messaged ya, Ned!

I'm gonna be buried with mine.

pitch-corrected Dead Souls or nothing.

Curtis vocals wiped from Joy Division masters.

Shocking!

AI Chris Martin inserted in his place.

I was able to retain my copy of Recycle through periods of digital instability… but does anyone have the text they wrote for each upload?

I don’t remember if I ever saved his posts anywhere, but I think it’s all still available on the Wayback Machine.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110101071402/http://neworder-recycle.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html

(The text that is; I’m assuming the download links are all broken at this point.)

FLACs on slsk

How did they get to be FLACs? Are they upsampled?

Dunno, but they go all the way up to 20kHz which I thought was indicative of lossless compression

those are transcodes then but kind of pointless as the originals were only released in 256kbps AAC per the original post and my own archives: https://web.archive.org/web/20110101063642/http://neworder-recycle.blogspot.com/2009/08/recycle.html

actually there is a post in which 50£ specifically explains why flacs were not released: https://web.archive.org/web/20120217044822/http://neworder-recycle.blogspot.com/2009/10/flac-vs-aac.html

they never posted the FLACs to the blog, but they do exist as per the comments so it's conceivable that someone on Soulseek is sharing them... although more likely they just converted the AACs to FLAC, which is harmless as long as you know transcoding the FLACs to any lossy format will make them sound worse.

As of last week, the release date of Low-Life is closer to the end of World War II than it is to today. I feel old.

xp oh i didn't realize that! i suppose that the overlap between people who were friends with 50 pound and people who share on soulseek must be pretty high. the FLACs, if real, are a bootleg of a bootleg then..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zxqiz00KAI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAYGrdBa5Eo

wow they're digging up some deep cuts this tour. great that they're playing more from technique at last but i'd never even heard of this get ready-era b-side before lol

i'm gonna be soooo mad if i don't get to see them in a few days due to the flooding here

My fav New Order was the US mini l.p. of 12"singles. I now have most or all of it as part of the Movement 2CD set.
I do like some later stuff but that mini l.p. is pretty sublime to me.

I bought that as a cd single in Canada.

good show tonight, wonderful to see them at last. sumner's vocals were patchy of course but he can still sing "bizarre love triangle" surprisingly well - that, "ceremony" and "temptation" were all fantastic of course. i'm baffled they didn't play "the perfect kiss" or "regret" though.

it was nice to hear "vanishing point" and "love less" too at least, though i have no idea why they dug up "player in the league". "state of the nation" was a weird one that even had guitars in its backing track despite cunningham standing around barely playing anything all song? it's not like he or sumner couldn't have played that guitar part

i hadn't ever paid attention to the lyrics to "be a rebel" before but now i have to respect that 'be a rebel, not a devil' is up there with sumner's most inane work

Not sure I'd ever heard or heard of "Player in the League" before, but just listened and that song is not particularly good, even as far as b-sides go.

yeah it's a b-side to "here to stay" so i'd never even heard of it before this week

at least they didn't play "rock the shack" like someone kept yelling out for

Unrelated note: The Western Works and Cargo Studios demos of Movement-era songs are SO GOOD.

even when new order play a cool back catalogue song now i really struggle to feel it? perhaps it is partly barney’s new singing voice but also everything feels pretty flat around him - obviously their 80s gigs were often kind of hanging by a thread technologically which added an unpredictable element - but i watched a bit of stuff from 2003 last night (the first time i saw them) and for all his faults hooky really is adding a lot, not only with his bass playing but also second frontman vibes

obviously that was more than 20 years ago, sigh

anyway last time i saw them they very improbably played the one song that i most wanted to hear and it was… a bit disappointing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf9aF8bVQws

i don't think they had "love less" quite worked out - the lead part wasn't that chiming acoustic guitar like on the studio version so it didn't have the same feeling, but it was still cool to hear

the only thing that really felt flat last night music-wise was "state of the nation", due to being way too reliant on the backing track. they had plenty of energy otherwise.

& sumner's singing was patchy of course but he was better than i expected really

good to hear! i am still very glad i saw them both the times i did (once with hooky and once with gillian) - i wonder if there will ever be a full reunion

went looking for live versions of round and round last night - love the bass in this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cpEaI93oZ8

Peter Hook and the Light definitely have a vibe these days, they just seem like they're having a great time up there and you can feel it

xp Hook was open to a one-off had the HOF inducted them the last time they were nominated. (If things work out, we may get three reunions this time around that may never happen again.)

I think Hooky has been making noises for a while that he’d be quite keen to rejoin

in sydney last night they didn’t play either of the Technique songs that have been in rotation, booo - happy to have skipped it - but i saw pj Harvey on the outdoor opera house stage the night before and NO by the harbour on a warm sydney night woulda been fun for sure

Saw the the line up minus Gillian but with Hook back in '98 (they hadn't played live in 5 years which seemed like an age at the time and was considered a really big deal) and this was a highlight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImCFJm42qI4

Yeah that one was on the peel session they did in 98, which was ace. Do check it out

wait, I thought Gillian did play at Reading? I own that DVD.

yeah she didn't retire from touring until get ready was released

Can't believe these guys ever had anything to do with a dweeb like Billy Corgan.

The five years between Republic and Reading 1998 seemed like an eternity back then.