Matthew Dear - worthy of the hype?

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When I hear the words "microhouse" and "vocals" together in the same sentence, I cringe, but i've been hearing good things - can anyone lead me one way or the other?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The play button?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont like his voice. that buck ep ws a bit sucky

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, but "Dog Days" is ace. So is "Laguna Madre"

the ghostly international website has some downloads

Nik (Nik), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

the record is tremendous. top five year-end for me, and same with battaglia. pareles and sanneh love it too. get it!!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

that buck ep ws a bit sucky

That was James Cotton though.

I sort of like Leave Luck to Heaven as well.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Dear definitely has production skillz and makes pretty nice stuff, but I also think he's hyped a bit more than necessary in some circles. I mean its basically a more digestible/lukewarm version of what Zip and Dimbiman were doing back in 94/95..

pete from the street, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

or 97 rather, been hearing this stuff too long regardless...

pete from the street, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

andy otm with the "sort of". i like dear fine but i'm not entirely sure why he's getting the amount of hype that he is.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

haha whoops

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

He gets hyped because he's one of the only Americans doing this kind of music. Ghostly is also a very well branded label, with nice graphic design and a good marketing dpt.

But yeah, Laguna Madre is great! And the album is quite nice too but doesn't really push boundaries like Villalobos' Alcachofa who I think has merged vocals and "microhouse" very well.

Philippe, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, right, Dear hasn't invented anything -- that's been established. However, with the exception of Closer Musik, no one in that field has used vocals to the extent that he has. At least half of his album is made up of full-blown songs -- he's not just repeating one treated line over and over and over. Again, the fact that he does this doesn't make him all that special. He writes good songs and he makes good dance tracks; sometimes the two happen at the same time. I can't think of anyone in the field who has made a better home listening LP that can be just as effective on the dancefloor. I think of it as a pop record as much as a dance record.

(As a tangential footnote, I wish it could've received half the amount of attention that was paid to that obnoxious Postal Service record.)

Or you could say that my love for the record is solely based on jingoism. I do roll around my neighborhood with this blaring from my General Lee-style SUV every day.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

it's nice and all but i think my favorite track is the first (ha ha).

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's MORE of a pop record than a dance record. and ditto to all of andy's fine words. i reviewed the thing for cmj, but the dec. issue STILL hasn't come out (i did the bjaxx record too)(i can't remember what i said about either, except something about microhouse being "rural dance music" and i'm not sure what i meant by that. something about spaciousness).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't think of anyone in the field who has made a better home listening LP that can be just as effective on the dancefloor.

otm

also his music is the most well-done and idiosyncractic electronic stuff to come out of michigan in a lonnggg time (to these ears anyway) and for as moody or dry as the tunes can be they are so so funky

thirding the praise for "laguna madre"...


disco baggins (disco stu), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

for gods sake! this stuff is CRAP. why wouldn't you just listen to Mr. Fingers instead??

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

*smacks forehead*

Thanks for the reminder

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

wow vahid, i thought you would be among the folks that liked his stuff

disco baggins (disco stu), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

of course dear is derivative of mr. fingers, but what form of comtemporary house or techno isn't in some way?

disco baggins (disco stu), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, i know, that's just polemic.

but really, i don't see where you find the pleasure in this. it's like you suck all the fun out of some good bouncy house and replace it with these post-isolee plug-ins. it was slightly boring by the tenth time i'd listened to the isolee album, let alone the tenth artist who was ripping off the style. and there's still all those weird american indie hangups about taste / restraint / underachieving.

the website, with the photo of them standing around all unsmiling in their sociology dept. hallway like they're posing for details or gq just makes me tense.

the mr. fingers comparison is extremely literal here, i think.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

and my feelings on all of this apply to the postal service, and dntel and the rest of this stuff, too.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Was there ever a verdict in the "Is the dance canon now as annoying as the rock canon" thread? 'Cause my vote is YES.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I never got bored with Rest, but then again, I could've just listened to Liaisions Dangereuses. I always liked the Losoul album more than both, actually -- but why did I spent so much time with it when I could've been listening to (more) Theo Parrish?

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

because they weren't bad. matthew dear is just bad.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ok i'll shut up now.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if Former Supposed So Called Nihilist Teenage Drug Disco Addiction Counselor Addict Choir 313 Doo Dah Band has anything to add.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

what exactly is the "dance canon"? and does theo parrish belong to it? (no pun intended)

disco baggins (disco stu), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

it's like you suck all the fun out of some good bouncy house and replace it with these post-isolee plug-ins

b-b-but dear has made some good bouncy house, it may be competely neurotic, but it's bouncy

the comparisons to postal service and dntel baffle me

disco baggins (disco stu), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, you might as well compare him to the beta band (maybe i'd like it better.)

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, basically, if somebody beat you to the punch with whatever it is you did/do, you are automatically excluded from the canon. Your chances of being in the canon are increased if you were the first (maybe second, with some exceptions), to do whatever it is that you did/do/might possibly do in the future. If the adjectives 'innovative,' 'real,' 'soulful' or 'deep' appear in a decent percetage of reviews/profiles about you (somewhere above 60% of them, perhaps), you have a good chance of making the cut. (This is what I've gathered throughout the past few years.)

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Techno had initially thrived on it's independence from pop structures, but it eventually confined itself in its own rules, and now people like Dear/Kompakt are changing the rules and reverting back to pop. Sure its interesting just because its different than the techno from last year, but personally I'd like to see techno pushing other creative boundaries while keeping outside the pop realm... Pop is attractive for different reasons than techno and different elements interest me in each genre separately. I think techno loses some of its ethereal timeless qualities when grounded in pop structure and hence loses a lot (at least for me).

pete from the street, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

So, like, 99.99% of the DJs who beatmatched after Francis Grasso have no hope of making it into the dance canon.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

well i'm not sure why you're so annoyed andy but now you're just misrepresenting me.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Pop's been done before. What's the point?

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(I reserve the right to be a goofball one day a year here.)

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

the pop i hear in kompakt and dear is so very different than the pop i hear in dntel/ps or justin timberlake. there's a gas lp called pop that lays down the gauntlet quite nicely

maybe pop has become a worthless descriptor

but yeah, different strokes for different folks and all that

disco stu (disco stu), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I hate to admit it, but I think we have a consensus for Roger: Matthew Dear is the Yakov Smirnov of microhouse.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Where this leaves Akufen and Luomo is beyond me.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Stu otm, if you really REALLY think Kompakt or Matthew Dear is very pop you need to turn a radio on or play it at a shitty bar and see what happens. Pop for the initiated maybe.

I mean I think if we use this liberal definition of pop then you could argue easily enough that a MASSIVE percentage of house music is pop or popist. I quite like this idea but maybe only because I like house music and pop music. I have some sense this might be taking too favourable a view of the music we like.

I sympathise with Vahid's position a bit here, only in a kind of irrational way though. I just think of the dance critics here in Dublin putting Dear and co at the top of all their end of year lists and then playing regular club house every weekend.

The Dear/Fingers thing is interesting because there is a great deal of snobbery from fans of both towards regular house music or whatever, in some sense though I empathise more with the Fingers lovers, there are surely alot of Matthew Dear/DNTEL/Kompakt people who are unaware of the existence of the rest of dance music


Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post, is all Akufen's stuff as STUPID as deck the house? what I'm asking is, if I hated Deck The House should I still bother with other stuff, does he make serious deep house music or serious not deep house music? I hate the kind of "fun" that Deck The House is meant to be, smart kind etc)

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, dear's dj sets suck by the way. i've seen him four times now, and only once was it at all engrossing or danceable. waaaaaaaay too glitchy/brainy and completely devoid of "pop" (whatever that definition currently is).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Download "Skidoos" Ronan (can't believe I'm advising you on dance music) -- I don't like Akufen much but that is an amazing track.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

look out Ronan!!!! somebody's about to compare you to mt!!! (not a bad thing, you should hear mike's mixtapes)

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, its different pop- but the underlying and most important element is the chorus and/or catchy hook. Thats what propelled peopel like Jay-Z into supertardom. And that is the driving factor of pop techno/pop-house. If you check interviews with Michael Mayer from the past year, he openly speaks of the shift in focus of Kompakt toward pop structures.. I don't think pop is as elusive as you are making it to be. And yes, many house songs are pop too..

pete from the street, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll dance to anything in the dance music spec, that's why I'm really uncomfortable with the home listening/nightclub divide, even on this thread, I mean anything with a beat I'll dance to really, just have a few beers and the limbs begin moving involuntarily. Most dance music really is easy to dance to, even glitchy stuff, though I can see how this would not be the case if you're not majorly into it.

I am surely the anti-Mike T, but then again I have listened to almost nothing but that Derrick Carter mix and Ten City and stuff for the last few weeks.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree Pete, I guess I was really just saying that it's alot LESS pop (and less popular) than a fairly big percentage of house music, lots of which is shit but all the same. I forget what my point was other than that. Perhaps that if you're used to listening to minimal techno or particularly fashionable dance music then it doesn't tend to be pop and this may enhance the pop value of Kompakt etc.

I'm not really so it's speculation on my part.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

isn't the michael mayer variety of pop the same sort of idealized not-really-pop you have in belle+sebastian or saint etienne?

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm comparing dear to dntel and postal service because i'm hearing indie and not pop.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

no wait, i'm hearing emo.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

vahid otm, really. mayer is obviously about as comparable to sean paul or nickleback as st. etienne or the junior boys are.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

This record is great, slept on by ILXors maybe?

Neil S, Thursday, 20 January 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)

Yes, I admit I slept on it. Am attempting to repent by wearing out the mp3s this month. Really fucking good album.

The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 20 January 2011 16:25 (fourteen years ago)

if you're on slsk these days i could even put together an 80 minute cd of pre-microhouse-not-microhouse. (hell, i'd mail it out if you want)

did you ever put this comp together vahid?

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 20 January 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)

love this record. i figured ppl were talking about it in one of the bobbins threads

gr8080, Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:20 (fourteen years ago)

i really liked 'dog days' back in the day. saw this guy at sonotheque in like '04

*gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

this album is pretty different

dog days is a jam tho

gr8080, Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)

gr8080 do u like the audion stuff?

*gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)

dear has a tumblr btw -- he posts occasionally, usually just photos of food hes eating

*gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)

http://mdear.tumblr.com/

hmm less food than i remember

*gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)

jabberjaw singles are good too

Blazes Boyband (Pillbox), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)

Leave Luck to Heaven ('Dog Days'-era LP) & the latest one are the best Matt Dear records imo. Asa Breed got a lot of good press at the time, but imo leans too heavily on the indie vox side of what he does & not enough vaguely evil-sounding techno stuff. Of course, the Audion records are really good for that sort of thing.

Blazes Boyband (Pillbox), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)

yah i didnt like the asa breed lp at all

*gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)

"mouth to mouth" is still the best thing ever

groovemaaan, Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:37 (fourteen years ago)

Been digging this lately

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tWuq-EySf4

(better to seek out the actual EP version)

beer, beer, beer (Pillbox), Sunday, 23 January 2011 05:39 (fourteen years ago)

Black City is def in my top ten on 2010 even though i didnt know it existed till last week

gr8080, Sunday, 23 January 2011 05:54 (fourteen years ago)

its like brian ferry producing a nine inch nails record

gr8080, Sunday, 23 January 2011 05:55 (fourteen years ago)

^^
a high compliment & accurate description

beer, beer, beer (Pillbox), Sunday, 23 January 2011 05:58 (fourteen years ago)

MD figured prominently into my best o 2010 as well

beer, beer, beer (Pillbox), Sunday, 23 January 2011 05:59 (fourteen years ago)

Black City is all right, I couldn't really get into it though, I wish it had more jams like the title track. Asa Breed was much better -- it struck a nice balance between "three-minute techno singles" and moody, late 70's David Bowie-esque stuff.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 23 January 2011 07:30 (fourteen years ago)

Agreed! Asa Breed completely nails the mix of Goth-Mooodiness and blissed-out-yet-dark dancey floor fillers!

sub rosarie, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:02 (fourteen years ago)

Dear fans should also check out the new compilation out on Ghostly International. More dancefloor oriented than what Dear has been putting out under his own name for a while including Daniel Wang and Gold Panda who are both must-listens for anybody who likes great house music.

sub rosarie, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:13 (fourteen years ago)

I would also recommend his Audion side project for more techno good-ness.

sub rosarie, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:14 (fourteen years ago)

gold panda also one of my favorite records from last year

gr8080, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:15 (fourteen years ago)

Yes! A really fantastic record, went on heavy rotation on this listener's iPod.

sub rosarie, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:19 (fourteen years ago)

yeah gp album is dope. 'you.' is the jam!

beer, beer, beer (Pillbox), Monday, 24 January 2011 00:23 (fourteen years ago)

I much preferred his XX remix to the original track. It makes up a lot of the meatiness and punch that I find lacking in The XX sound.

sub rosarie, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:32 (fourteen years ago)

Asa Breed sucked so very badly that I, even in spite of my mid 00's fawning adoration for Leave Luck to Heaven, decided to not even bother with this one.

EDB, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:39 (fourteen years ago)

Also, I can't help but feel that the fact that dude always puts his own vocals on remixes just reeks of egotism.

EDB, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:42 (fourteen years ago)

yah feeling you there, i remember thinking it was weird that it was the one that picked up a load of hipster kisses. i think i have kindof overpraised Tide on this board before so i wont but I think the more this guy makes "the kind of music he wants to make" is the more i realise i have no interest in hearing it. xx remix was a p awful stodgy groove-free zone.

plax (ico), Monday, 24 January 2011 00:42 (fourteen years ago)

We definitely part company on that front, I will admit my initial encounter with his music was Asa Breed, and frankly I was somewhat disappointed to explore his previous incarnation as a more minimal producer, really found the rich sonics of his more current output lacking to great detriment.

sub rosarie, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:46 (fourteen years ago)

the more this guy makes "the kind of music he wants to make" is the more i realise i have no interest in hearing it.

Yes! This is exactly how I feel about him.

I did buy the Little People (Black City) 12" (which I, pretty much without fail, always accidentally call "Little City, Black People), and it's alright.

EDB, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:52 (fourteen years ago)

boy i sure do hate it when artists make the kind of music they want to make

gr8080, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)

it is when it sucks ass!

plax (ico), Monday, 24 January 2011 00:57 (fourteen years ago)

well idk this record prolly doesnt suck ass but its not half as interesting to me as the stuff he was doing when he was tryna be trendy

plax (ico), Monday, 24 January 2011 00:57 (fourteen years ago)

yeah I found Asa Breed a bit ridiculous, think it was the vocals..

Heard Little People Black City on a car a few days ago and it wasn't bad.

Umm, I think that's my glass. (laser precise purpose maker era), Monday, 24 January 2011 00:58 (fourteen years ago)

Loved Asa Breed, I don't understand why people think there's a problem with vocals on this record. Black City hasn't left a great impression so far.

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Monday, 24 January 2011 01:10 (fourteen years ago)

I deleted that album years ago but I remember the vocals being so DEEP and over the top it made me think of Bowie meets Type O Negative or something like that, and I was always about to laugh but it wasn't funny enough just vaguely unpleasant.

Umm, I think that's my glass. (laser precise purpose maker era), Monday, 24 January 2011 01:19 (fourteen years ago)

Asa Breed sucked so very badly that I, even in spite of my mid 00's fawning adoration for Leave Luck to Heaven, decided to not even bother with this one.

u have made a terrible decision

beer, beer, beer (Pillbox), Monday, 24 January 2011 01:31 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q767FrWodRY

"FIRST OF ALL, THE MORSE CODE IN THE BACKGROUND HAS TO GO."

"This will be a failure."

Wrong-Way Willy (Andy K), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 16:00 (fourteen years ago)

episode FORTY SEVEN?????

gr8080, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

Really good new track!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WawXqpqwRn0

Arvo Pärt Chimp (Neil S), Monday, 25 June 2012 12:01 (thirteen years ago)

New album is great - even better than Black City.

Get wolves (DL), Monday, 25 June 2012 12:22 (thirteen years ago)

so good!

kind of a Madchester vibe but unmistakably him

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 25 June 2012 16:44 (thirteen years ago)

this track is brilliant, heard it on bis a few weeks ago. he's really maturing as a songwriter.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 10:25 (thirteen years ago)

I need to try again to get into Black City. I still like his first two albums the best? Probably will like the new one.

Wait, first two albums and the Audion one. Always the Audion one.

hot sauce delivery device (mh), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 20:47 (thirteen years ago)

I've been listening to Black City on repeat to prepare myself for the new one, and "Slowdance" has finally clicked for me. So, so great.

muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 01:22 (thirteen years ago)

four years pass...

Nobody should ever listen to what I say because it took me ten years to figure out that "Asa Breed" is realllllly good. TEN. YEARS.

0 / 0 (lukas), Sunday, 29 January 2017 08:22 (eight years ago)

Amazon or google or whatever search engine crawled its spiders into my computer says I should bu his dj kicks. What say you ilm search engine?

dance cum rituals (Moka), Sunday, 29 January 2017 08:44 (eight years ago)

looks like it could be cool

the late great, Sunday, 29 January 2017 08:58 (eight years ago)

fair amount of good tracks on there and new audion is always welcome

the late great, Sunday, 29 January 2017 08:59 (eight years ago)


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