Who is Bob Burchman? He co-wrote a song on The Beach Boys 'Sunflower'...

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I was just about to scribble a few words about 'It's About Time', the Beach Boys song off Sunflower, but I noticed someone called 'Bob Burchman' is credited alongside Dennis Wilson and Al Jardine. As the song seems to be either about Dennis or Brian or both, and actually feels like a message from Dennis to Brian or something, I was wondering who the hell the Burchman guy is. It kinda pricked my interest, given the whole Charles Manson/Dennis Wilson thing. There seems to be no trace on the internet, but there does seem to be an artist guy (who's been the 'decorative painter' on 'This Old House' - a US Changing Rooms type thing I presume?) with the name living in Santa Barbara, California, so maybe it's him...

Anyone have any info? I feel like it somehow matters.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Thursday, 8 January 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The Nearest Faraway Place just describes him as a "writer". I don't know if that means he wrote songs or books though.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 8 January 2004 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn annoying. It's beginning to seem like a bit of a quest.

I might e-mail the Californian artist guy. It would be pretty cool if he turned out to be some regular bloke, who's life happens to have brushed past and contributed to *genius*.

Had a quick look in Brian Wilson's 'autobiograohy'. It barely mentions Sunflower, except to say that Elton John popped in when they were recording and played Brian a bunch of songs. He was amazed apparently.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll check the sleevenotes to the CD reissue tonight. IIRC they do say something about the writing credits.

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i will look in the david leaf book tonight for any references.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Muchly appreciated...

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Me looked in a coupla books too, but they were prolly too "general", alas. So, nuthin...
Anybody found something on the mysterious guy yet?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

The sleevenotes don't say anything about him, just describes him as 'writer'.

rw, Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

No mention in "...California Myth", sorry Jim.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 9 January 2004 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Well, I decided to e-mail him. He's just replied and very kindly says he'll answer a few questions.

If anyone has any then speak now...

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you've addressed the basic questions people would want asked! But how he met whoever he met in the Beach Boys, if this was just a one-off or if there was more planned, was he there at the recording. Definitely also get a sense of what else he's done before and since, his life obviously didn't start with the song! Was he always a fan of theirs from early on, was he a California native, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I love how "It's About Time" packs about six different choruses in less than 2:30. It seems much longer.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Irrelevantly, I also like the way the bonkers bit in "Don't Go Near The Water" sounds like Malkmus.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Ask him if he hates Mike Love as much as I do.

maypang (maypang), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck Tatum otm.

Ned otm about his life before and after, I think it's fascinating to think that his life somehow ran parallel to something that damn amazing.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

And make sure you post the answers here!

The Beach Boys story is strangely full of "unknowns" who collaborated with them all-too-briefly (Roger Christian, Tony Asher, David Sandler, Jack Reiley, Steve Kalinich). Maybe there's only so much arguing an outsider could take...

harveyw (harveyw), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah harvey, couldn't agree more. It seems that - like Sunflower and other post-Smile albums - the collaborators don't fit into the nice Brian = troubled genius storyline so get unfairly ignored. For example, Bob Burchamn said via e-mail that I'm the first person to ask look for him and ask him about the song in 34 years.

I will post the answers that I get back. Initially, he seems like a really nice guy.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn, Jim, well done. :-) I'd say you should see about perhaps writing this up as an article for something somewhere.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Jim. I tracked down David Sandler (Brian's chief collaborator for the American Spring LP) a few years back & he was similarly surprised.

harveyw (harveyw), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, I'd really like to, but who would you suggest? I did kinda realise that it might tie in nicely against the backdrop of Brian Wilson touring UK/redoing Smile (see this month's Mojo), especially as I suppose the song seems to be (in a sense) Dennis' reaction to Brian's Smile period. But I think people might see it as a little peripheral. Who do you think would be interested?

Harvey, that's really cool. Did you write it up? I'd love to read it. The more I think about this there's a really interesting story to be told about The Beach Boys' (not just Brian's) collaborators.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not totally positive, Jim, but there's a way that the story can be considered on its own merits, how someone who is a near total footnote in Canonical Terms might well have a completely different perspective on things. The Music Canon values Burchman solely in this glancing note set against everything else, but here's someone for which this was merely part and parcel of a different life and different goals. In and of itself, it becomes less a 'music' story and one of general human interest.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, I completely agree and this is part of the reason I wanted to track him down (much more than the 'Brian was a nutter' tie-in). The only thing is, who publishes this kind of thing?

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

This is where I'd say you'd want to think about casting your net wider and that's something I don't entirely have the experience and range to help with. You know who I might suggest who posts here -- Douglas Wolk and Suzy, both of whom are freelancers and who have worked with a variety of publications both here and in the States. They have posted many tips in general on both boards as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

er, Mojo

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Mojo, Uncut, certainly -- but again, that almost limits it. A well-written article could feature in places beyond the music magazines, and Jim is indicating an interest in something beyond 'he touched the hem of Brian's garment' genuflecting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Jim: my interview w/David Sandler is on my home pc somewhere. Would be only to happy to send it to you. Not wildly eye-opening, but it told me a few things I didn't know, and gave a little insight in to one of my favourite records.

As for who might be interested in publishing your Burchman piece, I think it's really limited to the various online Beach Boys communities, unless he has some skeletons in the closet (although I believe a print fanzine called -what- 20:20? has recently been set up. Will try to get contact details to you). Not wishing to diminish its value, but, as with my Sandler piece, I think "peripheral" hits the nail on the head.

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

harvey, love to read the piece if you can be bothered mailing it me. Your right about it's peripheral nature, that's why the obvious Mojo/Uncut route might not be so obvious. That fanzine looks interesting, contatc details would be useful.

Ned, cheers for the advice.

I suppose I'll see how it turns out and work from there.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Jim: I've tried emailing you the interview but it's bounced. Do you have another email address? Can you email me & I'll send it by return?

Re Beach Boys fanzine, it is indeed called 20/20, and the editor (Brian Davies) can be contacted on irwelloceanblue@hotmail.com. Good luck.

harveyw (harveyw), Friday, 20 February 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, while we're at it, has anyone here heard the writing session tape of "Sail On Sailor" with Van Dyke Parks that Timothy White writes about? The one where Brian says he'll do whatever Van Dyke asks if he just tells him he's "not insane" (VDP's response: "Shut the fuck up, Brian).

Aside from the general interest I'd have in hearing this little moment, White says the version has lyrics that are far superior. As suspect as his judgement was (was "California Feeling" REALLY the best song Brian had written since "God Only Knows"?), in a world where people go well out of their ways to cover unofficial versions of Beach Boys songs (see that version on Smiling Pets of "Good Vibrations"), this one strikes me as something of a Holy Grail.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 20 February 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the first part of what Bob sent me, more to follow apparently...

I wrote the basic lyric for the song "It's About Time" on July 2nd 1970,when I was 24 years old. I met Dennis Wilson a short
time before then, perhaps in May or June of that year,
through one of my closest and dearest friends from
Junior High and High School, Barbara Charren, who
would soon become Dennis's wife, and mother of two of
his children, Michael and Carl. Barbara had met
Dennis one night while she was working the cash
register at Hamburger Hamlet restaurant in Westwood
Village, here in L.A. I was living in Hawaii with my
wife and newborn son at the time when Dennis and
Barbara started dating, and so it wasn't until we
returned to Los Angeles that I finally got to meet
'the new boyfriend'. I must admit that I was not a
huge Beach Boy fan at that time. My musical leanings
were more toward Marvin Gaye, Otis Redding, James
Brown, Sly and the Family Stone, Smokey Robinson and
The Miracles, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, and Joni
Mitchell. And I had had the impression from watching
early Beach Boy film footage, that Dennis was a bit
too cocky and not the world's greatest drummer. So I
was not really expecting to like Dennis all that much,
when my wife and I invited Barbara and him over for
dinner to meet. But the truth is I liked him. He was
quite charming, low key, and very funny. We sat on
cushions around a low Japanese style table in our
living room eating some sort of asian vegetarian
cuisine, as I remember. At one point in the evening
Dennis mentioned to me that Barbara had told him what
a good poet and lyricist that I was, and asked me if I
would recite something for him to hear. I recited two
or three lyrics that I were fresh in my mind, and
Dennis was blown away. "Wow! I wasn't expecting
that", he said. He went on to tell me that he was
working on a track for a new Beach Boy album, and that
he wanted me to come down to the studio and write the
lyric for this piece. Within a week I was at Brian
Wilson's Bel Air estate/studio to hear the work in
progress. Dennis ran off a cassette tape copy for me,
making me promise not to let anyone hear it. I took
it home with me and listened to the track a few times
to get a feel for what the music was saying to me.
Then I drove to shady spot in Benedict Canyon here in
L.A., parked my car and began writing, as I played and
replayed the track over and over on my portable
cassette player. The lyric literally took me 20
minutes to complete. It came in a flash. I don't
think I've ever written a lyric that quickly since.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Friday, 27 February 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Except he didn't format it like it was blank verse or something.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Friday, 27 February 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

naive teen idol writes upthread:
in a world where people go well out of their ways to cover unofficial versions of Beach Boys songs (see that version on Smiling Pets of "Good Vibrations")

just want to point out that is Gregg Turkington on lead vocals (ie, Carl's parts)... yes, "Neil Hamburger" doing a note for note rendition of the pet sounds version of "good vibrations".

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 27 February 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks Jim

dleone (dleone), Friday, 27 February 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Not a problem. Will post more when I get it.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Friday, 27 February 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Marvelous. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 February 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, gygax!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 27 February 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I recited two or three lyrics that I were fresh in my mind, and
Dennis was blown away. "Wow! I wasn't expecting that", he said.

Wow, it's just like the time he met Manson.

maypang (maypang), Friday, 27 February 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
Did anything happen with this?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)


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