Hector Zazou: S&D?

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I'm borrowing "Songs From the Cold Seas" from the library right now, and I think it's great. His music appeals to my love of world music and my love of experimental postpunk at the same time. I remember reading about him a while ago, but I finally got around to hearing something. Which one's of his should be seached out and which should be avoided?

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

All music guide redchecks "Sahara Blue", but according to the Ryuichi Sakamoto S/D thread it is in the to be destoryed side. Is that really so?

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I interviewed him once -- low key, thoughtful feller. I like both that album and the Rimbaud tribute but I know nothing else by him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't he do some stuff on Bill Rieflin's label?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm trying to think how something that "includes Bill Laswell, Dead Can Dance, John Cale, David Sylvian, Ryuichi Sakamoto, and Tim Simenon," and is "a mix of musical styles set to lyrics/vocals taken from the pen of Arthur Rimbaud." could be bad.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i remember liking that one! me wife loves it.

mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the irish one is a bit dull though.

mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

if you like 'Cold Seas', then you should proceed cautiously to 'Sahara Blue'. I like 'Cold Seas' a lot better.

Zazou had a brief Rock In Opposition link. His first duo, ZNR, has two albums of Satie-esque moog/rhodes/drum machine pop (have only heard the first, have long been hunting for the second).

His solo stuff is less casual, poised, glossy, sparklingly produced, but also with a kind of post-modern artificial remove; self-consciously lovely. It really works on the early records. 'Reivax Au Bongo', I think that record's fucking georgeous. 'Geologies' too. Noir et Blanc should be a lot better known than it is.

In '89 the loveliness congealed a bit, later records seem shallow and so the pretensions suddenly become unbearable, but it might just be my high opinion of the early records. If you like 'Cold Seas', get 'Reivax Au Bongo'. Avoid the Harold Budd collaboration like plague. The Irish one is totally empty.

The recent record with Sandy Dillon I'm not sure about, but she's a really intense, fucked up vocalist, and it's actually the weirdest thing he's done in a long time, so it might very well grow on me.

(Jon L), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

start off with noir et blanc which was zazou bikaye et cy1. which is a mix of african sung electronics. it's very good.

guilty was patchy, but there is the fabulous na kenda 12" off it which is as near as african acid house as you'll possibly get.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like Geologies and Geographies and was seduced by the megastar This Mortal Coil-ness of Sahara Blue and Songs From... initially, but don't listen to them any more. There's something gloopily art-rock about the arrangements, as if they're something Peter Gabriel would kick himself for not thinking of first. I should give them another go with post-4AD ears.

There are/were two versions of Sahara Blue - I think I have the one shorn of all the Sylvian contributions (some legal dispute?), or at least with his name taken off the sleeve. I'm not at home so I can't tell from the Allmusic entry whether the tracklisting matches my copy (on Crammed).

The Bjork track on Cold Seas... is lovely.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

frenchbloke> na kenda 12" which is as near as african acid house as you'll possibly get.

so good. it's on the 'guilty' CD, worth it for that one track. bikaye's vocals are incredible. he's great on 'reivax au bongo' as well, but in more of a soundscapey Martin Denny context.

I'm still looking for the 'mr. manager' 12", contemporary with 'noir et blanc'. My maniac russian friends tell me it's even further out than the album.

(Jon L), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
just went to a screening of "nanook of the north"

zazou was doing the accompaniment

he forced the audience to watch a totally inept promotional video for chansons des mers froides before "nanook"--the bits of music played during this video made it sound utterly reprehensible, like deep forest under ice

the accompaniment was one of the worst things i've ever sat through, completely vacuous and dull (but unnecessarily loud)

i'm afraid that on the evidence i have to write him off as a charlatan

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 17 April 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

he sounds like all the worst tendencies that lurk either around the edges or in the center of numerous musical movements of the past 20 years, rolled into one

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 17 April 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

re the bjork track: why all the unnecessary echo? why does everything have to sound so fucking "deep" and "ethereal"?

ugh

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 17 April 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I love "I'll Strangle You" on Sahara Blue, though the rest of the album doesn't do much for me. Glyph with Harold Budd has a nice trip-hop vibe, but nonetheless wasn't really my cup of tea.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 17 April 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i actually have no sense of what sounds "trip hop" is supposed to evoke, but if they are anything like what i heard tonight, i think i'll stay away

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 17 April 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

the promo video stuff irked me for a reason that's simultaneously musical and social; it's the sort of intertwining of various traditional musics (or elements thereof) for trippy "effects" in an otherwise utterly pedestrian light-electroacoustic soundscape.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 17 April 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

cmon this is the most vitriolic i've been concering a musical artist on ilm, i want debate, insults, etc

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 18 April 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i almost typed "virtuosic"--ha ha i wish

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 18 April 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I won't debate you, the later stuff is really unbearably slick and hurts my feelings

(Jon L), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I could debate you, but I've stayed away from all the later ones because the "celebrity guest" thing tripped some prejudice-wire in my skull that forwards a "don't listen" message. I'll have to make myself listen to one.

jazz odysseus, Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I recently listened to the one with Sandy Dillon, which struck me as incredibly bland.
The stuff with Bikaye, appearing on the Crammed retrospective, is great though. Is 'Reivax au Bongo' in that vein?

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Monday, 19 April 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
i'm still smarting from this. i've never been so disgusted with a musical performance/aesthetic in my life. if i had had tomatoes they would have ended up in mr. zazou's face.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

also, knowing the nature of the results of this combination, the following sentence gives me the fear: His music appeals to my love of world music and my love of experimental postpunk at the same time.

...imagine the most dubious variants on those two "genres" (and yes, one of mr. zazou's big problems is that he really seems to think of "world music" as a "genre") mixed together...

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

a bit harsh there. Have you checked out 'Reivax au Bongo'? A few African singers guest on this but the music doesn't make any concession to cheap exoticism.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

harsh, but I can relate. the later stuff really is terrifying. especially in light of how great the earlier stuff is. glad you liked 'Reivax au Bongo', that record is a favorite.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I finally ordered the Les Nouvelles Polyphonies Corses album he produced in the early 90's; some parts already hideously overproduced, but overall the choral parts are too beautiful to drown in the soup. I usually start it on track 7 to skip the overproduced opening tracks. Jon Hassell contributes some nice moments.

upthread when I said 'Geologies' I meant 'Geometries' -- the vinyl version of the record has an outstanding extra song, definitely my favorite album apart from 'Reivax'.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

the version of saharah blue with sylvian is actually the one that doesn't credit him on the sleeve, weirdly; the versions with his name of the sleeve don't have his vocals on the record. I'm not sure why this is. those songs aren't bad and you can find them on slsk, but apparently sylvian was not happy at all with them which is why they aren't on the album after the first pressing.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

also, it isn't a very interesting album, and everything else I've heard by him is crap (this actually only amounts to Glyph. Nice cover art though).

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
So... Are all of his albums one good song and then a lot of crap? I'll Strangle You (with Gallic funboy Gerard Depardieu) and the Bjork song are the only things I've dug from him. Can anyone give a better description of his earlier stuff?

js (honestengine), Thursday, 16 February 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Reivax au Bongo is very soundscape-ish and quite dark. It is supposed to represent a made up traditional African folklore, in line with the concept with the album which tells the (Tinitin-like) tale of Reivax lost in a made-up African land (the Bongo). It has gripping and beautiful moments, but is def. not easy-listening nor 'world music'. Zazou uses a lot of African signifiers but uses to construct a sound that has nothing to do with real African music. It is an artifical ethnic music.
I think I'm making it sound really pompous but is quite intriguing really.

Baaderonixx, born again in Xixax (baaderonixx), Thursday, 16 February 2006 10:55 (twenty years ago)

Zazou's earlier stuff is, in my opinion, very much of the early-'80s Crammed Discs aesthetic in general: a mixture of synthesized lushness, unconventional chamber arrangements, and electro avant-oddity. His initial instrumental work reminds me of the first few Yello records in this regard, although with a slightly less sinister edge. They mix-and-match "world music" (how I hate that term) clichés in invigorating and often pretentious ways, and it's easy enough to hear the possibility of his later blandness in some of the more exotic set pieces. The largely organic Geographies sounds a lot like Yann Tiersen's pre-Amelie stuff, shaken up with remnants of Tuxedomoon's instrumental work and early Bel Canto. It's all adventurous stuff, but definitely all over the map stylistically, as is typical of Zazou's catalogue.

Noir et Blanc, his album with CY1 and Bony Bikaye, is an amazing set of African/European art-songs which contrast Bikaye's commanding, resonant vocals (usually layered or multitracked) with CY1's remarkably contemporary-sounding, minimalist dub pulses. It sounds like nothing else I've ever heard - or perhaps what Graceland might have sounded like, had Aphex Twin decided to make it before Selected Ambient Works Vol. I.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Thursday, 16 February 2006 11:01 (twenty years ago)

I need to check that one out. I love the Zazou/Bikaye stuff on the Crammed boxset.

Baaderonixx, born again in Xixax (baaderonixx), Thursday, 16 February 2006 11:03 (twenty years ago)

That box set - Crammed Global Soundclash 1980-89 - is phenomenal, if anyone hasn't heard it. I was slightly annoyed by the "DJ mix" format - it crams in something like 60 tracks on two CDs - but if you're unfamiliar with the Crammed work in general, it's got all the compelling bits mashed in there. Plus, it's the only place to get "When It's War" by People In Control on CD! Noir et Blanc is a highlight of their catalogue, one of the top 5 best things they've ever released.

And, as far as Zazou/Bikaye's other stuff without CY1, I find it marginally less compelling listening. Mr. Manager isn't really any further-out than Noir, as a poster suggests above; in fact, it strikes me as a more refined and traditional-sounding mixture of high life and electropop elements, very much in the vein of so much soukous stuff that's out there. "Nostalgie" is a gorgeous, twinkly big-beat pop number that sounds like riding the escalators at Saks Fifth Avenue. I have Guilty! on vinyl as well, but all I can remember of it is that it sounds a bit more "rock" and didn't appeal to me as much.

Bony Bikaye, incidentally, made a hideous solo album of weird cover tunes a few years back that's available on eMusic. It reminds me of an African Daniel Johnston, and not in a good way...

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Thursday, 16 February 2006 11:10 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

RIP

sleeve, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:19 (seventeen years ago)

??!!

baaderonixx, Thursday, 11 September 2008 07:43 (seventeen years ago)


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