Ryan Adams..overrated

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OK, downloaded shitloads of Ryan Adams stuff from Soulseek..listened to it..profoundly unimpressed, for a so-called 'great songwriter' he seems to have very few good songs. In short he doesn't justify the critical fawning he seems to get...

― Maimonides (Maimonides), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Calling Ryan Adams overrated...overrated.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Ryan Adams possibly the most hated artist on ILM? He annoys me for the most part but there's some good songs on Heartbreaker to be fair.

― Michael B, Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i think that some of the whiskeytown material is pretty good, strangers almanac in particular. but if you can't imagine yourself liking an alt.country record, that's probably not the one that's going to turn you around. pretty much everything he's done solo after heartbreaker (inclusive of putting out recordings, performing live, dating, walking down the street, etc.) has gotten as much or more criticial derision as it has praise.

― andrew s, Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

heard one track off new lp on the radio. i recall yawning. but that was all. average stuff .. though i would never judge him on one track only .. or would i ??

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I came to Ryan Adams with an open mind..neither hating or liking...
I mean I like Neil Young..Rolling Stones, Calexico..that kinda thing so why shouldn't I like Ryan Adams?

― Maimonides (Maimonides), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Heartbreaker. It's so great. Which makes the rest of his output sound even more pathetic. I remember playing Gold the first time and wondering if it was even the same dude.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

actually .. now i think .. i put on Gold on listening post when released so i could see if worthy of hyperbole. it did little to impress, subsequently it stayed on the listening post. hyperbole was therefore ignored from thereon ..

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Even Uncut are turning against him now though. He's fucked!

― Michael B, Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

a good editor would do wonders for the guy.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The impression is his ego's too big for that.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Just downloaded Heartbreaker..on advice from previous not bad so far...

― Maimonides (Maimonides), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"Even Uncut are turning against him now though"

Only in a "Genius's new album disappoints" sort of way.

Adams may be overrated somewhere but it sure isn't round here. He isn't working in a musical area I've found interesting over the past several years, but I've heard enough of his stuff to realise he has a phenomenal talent as a pasticheur, at the very least. And anyone who attracts the amount of opprobrium he does from people for whom rock criticism is a kind of adolescent tribal warfare must have something going for him.

― ArfArf, Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, a chance for him to be ignored.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

pastiche, you definetly hit the nail on the head there Arf Arf, he's like Beck without all the pomo hip hop trimmings in some respects. He's as artificial and contrived as Britney in some respects..not that that's a bad thing...

― Maimonides (Maimonides), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

so far listening to this album makes me think...Jeff Buckley, David Gray, Beck, Bruce Springsteen and Nirvana funnily enough, fair comment?

― Maimonides (Maimonides), Thursday, 8 January 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I would alter the first post in this thread from "he only has a very few good songs" to "he only has a few VERY GOOD songs."
He's had a sort of verbal diarrhea the last few years and needs to calm down. Still, I do think music junkies (here, pitchfork, a few other places) have been more than a little cruel--if he is the egomaniac he sometimes appears, the proper response is to ignore him, not to hate him.

― Phil Christman, Thursday, 8 January 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear a track from his new album called So alive, the other night and I was quite shocked as it sounded exactly like early Smiths or Orange Juice. If the rest of the album was like that song I'd bury my prejudices and get a copy, if it's dreary old sub-Stones rip-off shit then probably not.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 8 January 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear Ignoring Ryan Adams is the new Slating Ryan Adams as Overrated

― roxymuzak, Thursday, 8 January 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Ryan Adams . . . overrated = Buddy Holly . . . dead

― Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the track "This Is It" on Rock'n'Roll more than anything on the new Strokes album, easy.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

you just don't like HIM cause the music is undeniable!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I like Ryan Adams' personality. I wish I could be in a band with someone like him. I just can't stand the fluffed-up hackery he's been spitting out. Though his best of will probably be better than Bryan Adams' So Far So Good.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Though not by much.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I was walking through the electronics section at Target last night and his video for "So Alive" was showing on all the TVs. I just stood there dumbfounded. The song was pure sugar and the whole time he's just prancing around smiling at the camera like a loony. I can't believe this is the same guy who wrote "Waiting to Derail".

― boldbury, Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

he kind of channels the singer from the Darkness at the end of "So Alive." I don't approve. I really hope he balloons in weight soon so we can say Parker Posey's dating a Porky Poseur.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i kinda feel sorry for him. all the talent in the world (his good songs really are that good)and no idea what to do with it. hopefully he'll find his place in the world and stop trying to fill that of (less able) others. not helped of course by his record co who seem determined to commodify him (how dumb must these people be?)

a question> the Rock n Roll album has to be a piss-take doesn't it?

sarcasm drips from it. some of the lyrics are embarrassingly bad. the production is simply dreadful.

― Guy Incognito, Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I deny Ryan Adams' music.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

ryan adams has done the seemingly impossible ... he's made me take the side of derogatis in something!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

What? He's dating Parker Posey?

Now I have to kill him.

― boldbury, Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

She's even credited as Rock'N'Roll's exe"cute"ive producer. His words.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

What? He's dating Parker Posey?

She must be trying to sleep her way to the bottom.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I mentioned this on another Ryan Adams Hate thread but his singing on Whiskeytown's cover of Gram Parson's "A Song For You" is really nice. They did a great job.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"She must be trying to sleep her way to the bottom."

Needlessly inflammatory response: I guess Elliot Smith was unavailable.

― boldbury, Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

elliot smith lives in thugz mansion. respect.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Heartbreaker is sublime. I will cherish it forever.

Faithless Street, Pneumonia and Strangers Almanac by Whiskeytown all have some great tracks on them. I'm not a fan of Gold (though "La Cienega..." and "Sylvia Plath" are standouts) and everything that followed i've been extremely dissapointed with.

― uzumaki (uzumaki), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Loved Whiskeytown, though.

― roxymuzak, Friday, 9 January 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I found him slightly overrated back in 2001. These days, I think the way everybody is after him is unfair too though.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 9 January 2004 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Ryan Adams: the Dwight Gooden of rock?

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 9 January 2004 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm expecting that five-CD box set will be a return to form. It shows he's willing to cull the herd, so to speak, paring away the less stellar material from the originally planned 82-CD opus (co-executive produced by some are-house actress and the faux-rastafarian from Counting Crows).

― Christian Rawk (Christian Rawk), Friday, 9 January 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Pope...shits in woods

― sym (shmuel), Friday, 9 January 2004 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Ryan Adiemus

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Friday, 9 January 2004 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

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