― DR. C, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Nick Dastoor, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Dud: Everything else
― JM, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Omar, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
How long exactly should it have taken to come out with that cack- handed second album?? Considering the long history of addicts that have produced great albums despite their addiction, drugs are not a excuse. And neither is Damon. Sorry love, any sensible person would have seen the man for what he was from the beginning (namely, Satan) and stayed well away; so it's a bit difficult to feel any pangs of sympathy for relationship angst holding the album up. It just sounds whiny and self-pitying. Why didn't they just admit they were lazy?
Of course if it were a masterpiece, it might have justified all the years away. As it was, it was a collection of re-treads and noodling.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
On the other hand, both albums have lots of filler. So that makes them neutral. But when you consider that Justine Frischmann is directly responsible for Damon Albarn writing "No Distance Left To Run" - one of the most painful musical atrocities ever - that puts them well into dud territory.
― Edward Okulicz, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Dr. C, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tim, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 16 March 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― kate (dali), Sunday, 16 March 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 16 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 16 March 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 16 March 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 March 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 17 March 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― mike a (mike a), Monday, 17 March 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 17 March 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 17 March 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 17 March 2003 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)
If you like that man-ish quality in a woman. I can barely hear M.E.S in The Menace mix of 'How He Wrote Elastic Man'.
― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)
I just think they're really... joyous. And succulent, insofar as scratchy skinnypop like this can be succulent. The evening session tracks that never got a proper studio recording/release were totally the clockwork-heaven-y music of the spheres and would OBVIOUSLY have turned them into greatestbandofalltime OBVIOUSLY etc etc. There were always so many bloops and pwtwangs and eeps and unfs layered under the records and this just made them more luscious than their contemporaries. Maybe. I dunno really but they were glorious and what I've heard of Klang isn't really but I eagerlyeagerly anticipate Justine's electropoptastical second(third?) coming.
― Alex in Leeds (Alex in Doncaster), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nu-Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)
but anyway.. ill toe the party line, first album classic, etc etc etc.
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)
best looking band ever!
http://www.stutter.demon.co.uk/elastica/images/bw_promo.jpg
― piscesboy, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)
― D. Bachyrycz, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)
― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)
Didn't everyone think so in 1995?
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)
the menace- one of the truly great albums of '00
― hub, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago)
Gosh.
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 25 June 2009 17:38 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah I'd read something about that a few years back. Hey, if she's happy. Klang, her post-Elastica group mentioned above, had a good album, and then she saw the light etc.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 June 2009 17:59 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah, I think she does talks about the whole thing too, or at least she did one at a church in Perth a couple of years ago, there was always posters on the bus for guest talks at one of the more happy-clappy churches, people like her, lower league footballers, that sort of thing. Didn't go, funnily enough, figured there would be too much God and not enough music.
― MichaelJLambert, Thursday, 25 June 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago)
meanwhile Justine Frischmann got married in Boulder. Her bridesmaid Maya looks familiar.
― da croupier, Thursday, 25 June 2009 18:17 (fifteen years ago)
For a second I'm all 'when did that...' and then I see it's from last year.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 June 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago)
She looks great!
I hailed a cab for her once, when I was 18. Also she prodded me out of the way of her microphone. And then she doesn't even invite me to the wedding.
― nabisco, Thursday, 25 June 2009 18:26 (fifteen years ago)
I like how "Waking Up" and "Connection" are the exact same video. It's an effective way to save money.. I kinda wish more bands would do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPeJixp-zp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzEfXU5Gsu0
― billstevejim, Sunday, 16 August 2009 03:15 (fifteen years ago)
that's the second/US-made version of Connection though, OG has toy cars and a white background IIRC
― chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Monday, 17 August 2009 01:59 (fifteen years ago)
Weird! For a long train ride today from rural Pennsylvania back home to NYC, I took along Mojo's commemorative Britpop issue and read the Elastica item with rapt enthusiasm, revisiting that fantastic debut LP on my iPod in the process. Ample proof that the 90's weren't entirely crap after all.
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 17 August 2009 02:13 (fifteen years ago)
I didn't even think "The Menace" was crap!
Mind you, that last single "The Bitch Don't Work" was certainly crap though!
― Mark G, Monday, 17 August 2009 13:55 (fifteen years ago)
The Menace was excellent, and The Bitch Don't Work was a great way to bow out.
― chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Monday, 17 August 2009 23:38 (fifteen years ago)
excellent is a bit of a stretch but it's not a bad record. i think i would have a better impression of it if the 6 track EP wasn't almost entirely included on it
― you! me! posting! (electricsound), Monday, 17 August 2009 23:40 (fifteen years ago)
"How He Wrote Elastica Man" is super great.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 00:16 (fifteen years ago)
i think i would have a better impression of it if the 6 track EP wasn't almost entirely included on it
by which i meant the remainder of the record didn't seem quite up to the same standard
― you! me! posting! (electricsound), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 00:18 (fifteen years ago)
yeah if I'd bought the EP I would have been mad disappointed
― chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 03:18 (fifteen years ago)
...with the much-later album
i don't understand how a heart is a spade
but somehow the vital connection is made.
― jed_, Saturday, 28 August 2010 12:04 (fourteen years ago)
Donna Matthews: wld siesta in her Ford Fiesta.
― Sun Tea (Pillbox), Saturday, 28 August 2010 12:11 (fourteen years ago)
Stutter, still amazing
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Monday, 30 August 2010 10:25 (fourteen years ago)
Was there ever a better looking band?
― piscesx, Monday, 30 August 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.spinmag.com/gallery/spins-where-are-they-now?page=1
― Duke, Monday, 30 August 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
Sorry, generally too indie-androgynous for my tastes. Second from right is certainly doable though.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 00:24 (fourteen years ago)
debut re-issued next year.
in the meantime..
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/mar/14/justine-frischmann-elastica-interview-volta-art-fair?CMP=fb_gu
― piscesx, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 22:21 (nine years ago)
Oh, goodie! I liked their cover of 'No More Heroes'! :P
― // 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 22:47 (nine years ago)
Justine Frischmann @thefrisch Brett liked making me eat citrus fruits. I told him, "Don't feed me a lime, boy".
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 23:01 (nine years ago)
Justin Welch's Facebook has pictures of the whole band (minus JF) at Abbey Road this week. Probably just a remastering job thought I guess....
― Oz, Saturday, 21 January 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)
Even Donna? I suppose she's come to more peace with her past.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 January 2017 17:53 (eight years ago)
I re-listened to the first LP the other night and I still think it holds up, even if one can detect the Wire and Stranglers, uh, "influences"
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Saturday, 21 January 2017 19:43 (eight years ago)
Oh sure, but then I liked the 2nd album, after a fashion..
― Mark G, Saturday, 21 January 2017 21:35 (eight years ago)
http://www.vanyaland.com/2017/01/21/they-hadnt-seen-each-other-for-20yrs-elastica-are-back-in-the-studio/
― Ex Slacker, Sunday, 22 January 2017 01:24 (eight years ago)
Wow, Donna's looking really well!
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Sunday, 22 January 2017 02:13 (eight years ago)
I thought Donna was a nun?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 January 2017 15:13 (eight years ago)
In fact, both Donna and Justin look really well, really healthy. Annie, on the other hand...
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Sunday, 22 January 2017 19:08 (eight years ago)
So, I'm listening to The Menace again for the first time in more years than I'd care to count, and... it hasn't aged very well, has it? A couple of the tracks sound good to me ('My Sex', which sadly isn't a cover of the Ultravox classic even if it nicks the chord progression and feel) but on the whole I think the lukewarm reviews it got were OTM. The debut still sounds lemon fresh and packed full of great material and performances, but this album sounds like an anti-drugs advert.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 14 December 2017 20:41 (seven years ago)
I never thought it was as bad as people said at the time, but I'm fully prepared to accept that it wasn't as good as it should have been.
― Mark G, Friday, 15 December 2017 10:58 (seven years ago)
The EP they released shortly before The Menace is far, far superior IMO.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 December 2017 11:27 (seven years ago)
This one - https://www.discogs.com/Elastica-6-Track-EP/master/91191
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 December 2017 11:28 (seven years ago)
At the time I thought it was weird that they included Donna material on the album after she left the band long before the release. Seemed like an admission of (good) material shortage
― PaulTMA, Friday, 15 December 2017 11:36 (seven years ago)
Wasn't most of that ep on the album?
― Mark G, Friday, 15 December 2017 11:37 (seven years ago)
And they missed out "Bar bar bar" which was silly of them.
― Mark G, Friday, 15 December 2017 11:38 (seven years ago)
Elastica were one of the few Britpop bands I liked at the time and still do. Probably because they were much more punk influenced than most of them I suppose. But I've never actually heard the Menace. I saw them live a couple of times around that time so I have heard some of the songs, and I think I've listened to the 6 track EP once but years ago.
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 15 December 2017 11:48 (seven years ago)
I liked the demolish one on there. Funny how it's very like "Kidney Bingos" tunewise..
― Mark G, Friday, 15 December 2017 11:50 (seven years ago)
The album had inferior rerecorded versions of several of the EP tracks.
Think I could put together a pretty decent second LP by combining the EP, some session tracks from 96 and perhaps one or two tracks from The Menace
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 December 2017 11:53 (seven years ago)
Whole EP is up here for anyone feeling in the mood - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzssCSvI5Jc&list=PLUo1lRxNwvLUa-0k0ZS9tE4glTw9AjhbL
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 December 2017 11:58 (seven years ago)
I revisited the debut today and it still very much sounds like one of the better of the '90s British guitar pop stuff... as much as I like The Great Escape, Elastica is a far better record. Yes, you can detect the influences here and there but so what? They had great influences.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 15 December 2017 18:34 (seven years ago)
As for The Menace, I could see what Justine was trying to do - bring in more electronics, go further down the post-punk route, but the material isn't as good and it doesn't sound like their hearts are in it... the constant touring of the first record, the smack addictions, the Donna and Justin thing, the pressure to follow up the debut, the line up changes and indecision... it all had a negative effect on the band and they may as well have knocked it on the head, to be honest because it would have been a miracle if the second album had been any good.
What made it worse, and this often gets forgotten as the popularity of British guitar music would start to surge again as a new wave of bands came along, but by 2001 it was too late as a lot of Elastica's '90s British guitar music peers had either split or were perceived as being on the slide.
Damon's heart was in Gorillaz and not Blur and Think Tank would not have been made if he hadn't felt obligated to do so. Pulp's We Love Life didn't generate any huge hits and their greatest hits would chart poorly. Suede were fumbling through the making of A New Morning with a newly sober but still not with it Brett Anderson and would soon split. Supergrass still retained their audience but their chart success had long faded. Oasis were down to two original members and had slid in popularity immensely. The Verve had split, The Boo Radleys had split. Ash were doing well, though.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, 15 December 2017 18:55 (seven years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/IvjHvUn.pngJustine with Liam, 1995
― calstars, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:24 (four years ago)
nah Swing Out Sister innit
https://michaelputland.com/swing-out-sister-1992/
― piscesx, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:58 (four years ago)
haha what a bizarre revive
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 3 June 2021 07:18 (four years ago)
A breakout, you could say.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 June 2021 12:11 (four years ago)
I just learned that Justine appears on Pete Townshend's "White City" outtake "Night School," and the video, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WMOnfiu40k
Apparently she was boarding school roommates with Pete's daughter?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 July 2021 22:57 (three years ago)