Holy Fuckity Bastard It's The New Squarepusher Album (a thread about Ultravisitor)

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Anyone heard it? It's incredible. And the silly man's had the audacity/strangeness to add crowd noises even though it's (apparently) not live at all.

Some delicious melodies ("Iambic 9 Poetry" for example), and on second listen, one absolute jawdropping *stormer* in the shape of "Tetra-Sync".

Not all drill'n'bass lunatism either, some delightful jazz interludes, some talky bits...so, there's no "My Red Hot Car"-ish hit, and it's probably too early to say really, but bloody hell this is good.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice. I haven't played it yet cos anything too noisy gets shouted off in the office, but that sounds handy. On the sleeve Tom looks EXACTLY like this guy James I know, it's been creeping me the fuck out all day.

I shall grill lamb chops to the sound of Squarepusher tonight.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I, in that case, shall grill Tom Jenkinson to the sound of Lambchop.

(bet that kills the thread)

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

And the silly man's had the audacity/strangeness to add crowd noises even though it's (apparently) not live at all.

wasn't this the Utah Saint's trademark first?

vahid (vahid), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

How are you people hearing this? It's not even on SoulSeek!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it better than his last couple of albums? I really think his stuff has been pretty variable since after Rotted One Note. Too many releases with just one standout track and tons of filler.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

wasn't this the Utah Saint's trademark first?

There are any number of fake "live" songs on 50s and 60s records, with fake applause...I'm spacing, but I know Gram Parsons had one with fake applause, even fake beer bottles (or real I guess) beer bottle falling on the floor.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 9 January 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

What I've heard has been pretty good. I guess Squarepusher is one of those guys I shouldn't expect is going to reinvent the wheel every time out, but still capable of creating great tracks in his standard vein.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 9 January 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
has it really leaked yet?

anyone know the file size of the true first track?

scottjames23 (worrysome-man), Sunday, 25 January 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i couldn't even make it through one listen of this, sadly.

no idea if it's leaked, sorry.

toby (tsg20), Sunday, 25 January 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

it has actually leaked yeah, but as toby says, it's a long hard slog

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 25 January 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a good 20 mins too long isn't it? The jazz bits are surprisingly lush though, without sounding ersatz.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 26 January 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I've just heard the EP . . . . it's impressed me. A lot of the Go Plastic tightness, but it sounds like he actually wants you to listen. Talk About You and Me is getting a spin if I ever DJ somewhere.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 26 January 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, yeah the full length is like 79:30. It's pretty impressive though, even if Squarepusher is basically a big show-off.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 26 January 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I safely assume that this will contain two utterly awesome tracks and a load of utter twaddle?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 January 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

it's absolute dross, start to finish. then again, i hate this guy

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 26 January 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i still have no idea how anyone can listen to a whole squarepusher track, let alone record.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Oooo the backlash starts five years ago . . . . .

I guess he's becoming (or he became a long time ago) the sort of musicians' musician. For a wanky slap bass jazzmuppet I suppose that's some sort of victory. For me it's nice that someone is doing some serious kit murder out there, even if it ain't too listenable most of the time. And I like his utter determination to piss people off:- be it Greenways Trajectory or the fact that his Love Will Tear Us Apart cover really annoyed the old-skool d'n'b heads.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I think if he's trying to piss people off, that's what's turning people off of his stuff, rather than him being too "wanky". Although, when I listened to this record last night, I did feel the need to remark that it reminded me of Emperor in places.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i still have no idea how anyone can listen to a whole squarepusher track

hey, some of us actually like jazz-fusion!

vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

though i've felt exactly those sentiments since "selection sixteen".

vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a few tracks on filepile.org

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

iambic 9 poetry... wasnt this on 'music is rotted one note'?

prima fassy (bob), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

a track called "iambic 5 poetry" was on the budokhan mindphone ep

vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah the eternal problem of what to call electro tracks.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I safely assume that this will contain two utterly awesome tracks and a load of utter twaddle?

Yep. (one of the awsome tracks samples Blackboard Jungle, got the promo upstairs and can't be arsed to look up the title, but that one is really good.)

Omar (Omar), Monday, 26 January 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Everything I've heard so far I've liked.. it's more lush than the last two albums, and gets more into live instrumentation territory, which almost fits when he mingles it with crowd noise.

mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure if it wasn't recorded on his last tour. I can remember a lot of the tracks from his set and there seemed to be a lot of extra kit around for a gig that was essentially bass plus laptop. It'd be pretty easy to do.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
I found it peculiar that the cd liner notes of Ultravisitor have "Copyright and Published 2003" written all over it. Living in the past!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone going to the QEH show this friday with Squarepusher, Jamie Lidell and the London Sinfonietta? Mmmm, chinstrokathon!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i couldn't imagine a duller show. think i'll sit in and watch bbc1 seeing as they've got a new series of the roundly trounced but delightful "wild west" on. unless billy childish is playing friday. ultravisitor is freakin grand but boy there's a lot of it

bob snoom, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm going (here) on saturday. somebody told me that chris cunningham is coming along to provide visuals, though i suspect this is merely wishful thinking.

dan jonze, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to the gig in Liverpool. Cunnigham's providing some of the visuals but I doubt he'll actually be "coming along".

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

four weeks pass...
I was pretty disappointed in this. There are moments, but way too much of it spirals into Draft 7.30 abstract noisy electronica territory - no real tempo, no tonality of any kind, no repetition. Not that I'm against this sort of thing completely. I like Confield, but that seems to have a lot more patience and an odd sort of beauty to it. It's just how you do it.

The tracks with live drums (and hence bass & keyboards, often) work way better than everything else, not out of rockism, but because he actually has to write some music to fill up the space. The first one (Iambic 9 Poetry?) is pretty cool, great drums, but track 13 (Tetra-Sync) is fantastic. It actually GOES somewhere, and he actually mixes the cutting and processing with the live instrumentation like I wish he would have done the whole fucking album.

Basically, this just makes me want to get more old, pre-Music is Rotted Squarepusher.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 9 April 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with you on Tetra-sync. It seems to follow its own discernable logic which is fairly rare for that type of Squarepusher track.

The Simfonetta/Sq/Liddell gig was very good, although there was no mingling or collaboration. Ballet Mechanique was absolutely bloody wonderful, as was 6 Marimbas, if anything the orchestra blew the Warp people off the stage.

Squarepusher did a new track, extremely Clockwork-Orange-Soundtrack, and far more logical than even Tetrasync, a slow, steady build. Good stuff.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 9 April 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I find the new willingness of IDM artistes to show their faces (thanks for nuttin', Richard D. James) quite disturbing. I'm still having nightmares about the time I saw a picture of Mike Paradinas by accident

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 9 April 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i LOVE the bass playing on the new album... its really easy for me to listen to. i love it.

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Friday, 9 April 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

it's growing on me!

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 9 April 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
The classical guitar bit is great. There's one track later in the album which starts off kinda abstract but then heads off into the baddest bad bwoy darkcore drum'n'bass tune I've ever heard - FANTASTIC! '50 Cycles' is also great - I love his lyrical posturings, even if they are just that. 'Iambic 9 Poetry' is really beautiful and builds to a lovely climax. (although it always lacks something to my ears)

As an album it really feels like the culmination of all his work thus far. 'Do You Know Squarepusher' was definitely a prototype for some of the work presented here. (where it is more mature) Going from listening to this straight back to 'Music Is Rotted One Note' was a very interesting...

I'm impressed, but I owe it a better listen. (ie not just when I'm driving the car) I'll put it on my minidisc tonight.

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Listened to this properly for the first time the other day and I must say it is better than the last three or four releases but only by a bit. It sounds more like a live prog album to me and has acquired all the good and bad points of that kind of music.

It is a bit too long and I started getting bored by the end. Must check track 13 as I really miss his Hard Normal/Big Loada days.

Squarepusher delights me as much as frustrates me. His stuff almost always sounds like he nearly got there, nearly made an amazing track but somehow didn't quite do it. There's always a missing element that's hard to pin down, like a massive drum'n'bass build up and just as it's about to break out cue more jazz noodling...

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Squarepusher's albums are almost identical to his shows, which means that by the end, I'm too physically tired to be very enthused - and yes, he delights in placing extended solo cadenzas smack in the middle of a set, which basically kills all dancefloor activity dead.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

... and lets you have a rest!

Last Squarepusher gig I saw everyone was pretty much naked by the end. Cool show though, my bass playing friends were in awe the whole time, he is a fucking good bass player.

I wish I could tell when he's doing real drums and when they're programmed, he sounds like he could be a pretty good jazz drummer too.

TomB (TomB), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I found it pretty easy to tell the live drumming from the programming on the record, his recorded drum sound is pretty distinctive (goes for that lo-fi, muted drums, trashy cymbals sound that makes it sound like sampled 70s drums). I do like his drumming though.

I have to go back and listen to this, I think (see my post slightly above).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

'50 Cycles' is also great - I love his lyrical posturings, even if they are just that

I also love this song. There's a Faust/Dalek collab CD out now that I don't think does as good a job with the menacing, industrial version of hip hop that Squarepusher does.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
Tetra-Sync is good, but a total rip off of Fridge.

In summary, meh.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

twenty-one years pass...

might be a hot take but I feel like this is the record Zappa must've thought he was making all those years. not just by putting in all the crowd noise (and perhaps doing some of it live?) but also all the sudden smash cuts and different ways he finds to test people's patience, not to mention layering what sounds like vastly different tracks on top of each other.

I know people were kinda lukewarm on it at the time but I think it's held up really well, now that it's divorced from the shadow of a dying genre. you can really hear the insane amount of work that went into this, clearly he went into this thinking magnum opus and none of his subsequent records try nearly as hard. though thats maybe a good thing. could be the most exhausting record I own.

frogbs, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 04:19 (four weeks ago)

A lot of people hold this one up as one of his best. I should definitely revisit it.

For me it was the album where I fell off the wagon. I'm not even sure I've ever listened to it all the way through. I was an avid SP fan, bought every release as it came out. But my interest in this type of music was on the wane by 2004, not helped by witnessing two catastrophically disappointing Jenkinson sets at Summer festivals around this time, both where the sound was so poor he got frustrated, shouted at the soundman, then spent the rest of his set doing unaccompanied bass solos.

I think it was mostly the crowd noises that threw me at the time. I realise now that was probably a deliberate piece of misdirection. Gonna give it a spin now.

Floyd 'The Oyd' Lloyd (dog latin), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 09:45 (four weeks ago)

Listening back now. I can see why I was underwhelmed but also why this one got a lot of good reviews at the time. It comes across as a "the story so far" consolidation of everything he'd been doing up to that point, from the jazzier and more experimental stuff on 'Music Is Rotted One Note' (an excellent record I wish he'd revisit), to the more electronic-led stuff on 'Go Plastic' and 'Do You Know Squarepusher'.

And while this is retreading familiar ground, the sound is a lot more vaporous and less tangible than his previous records, which all had standout moments of either stark melodic beauty ('Iambic 5 Poetry', 'My Sound') or a pop-rave banger ('Red Hot Car', 'DYK Squarepusher?', 'Cooper's World') to buoy-out the more noodly excesses. Ultravisitor, by comparison, feels like an unsequenced assortment of different styles - jazz, exeprimental, live, electronic - with little through-line or tentpole moments, presenting a Squarepushery paste rather than something I can sink my teeth into. As such, it's not disimilar to Aphex Twin's 'Druqks' album from a few years before, which also came off as a chocolate-box revue of his sound up-to-then.

My impression is that Ultravisitor is actually an attempt at a spring clean - putting things to rest before switching to a new approach on 2006's Hello Everything, which is all-the-more instant and appealing. Just a shame that Ultravisitor came out precisely when Jenkinson's critical and commercial star was at its peak. I think critics were keen to praise it through good will, having steadily gained a following through his previous records.

Floyd 'The Oyd' Lloyd (dog latin), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 12:54 (four weeks ago)


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