The Britpop 'Replacer' 100 list

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Straightforward enough...

Here's the list, replace a 'baddie' with a 'goodie'

The first cut list was made here

The Britpop one hundred hall of joy! - Classics only.

and was this:

100) Common People - Pulp
99) 'Hanging Around' Me Me Me
98) Suede: Asphalt World
97] Blur: To The End
96) Supergrass : Mansize Rooster
95) Pulp - Ansaphone
94) Echobelly: I Can't Imagine The World Without Me
93) Menswe@r - I'll Manage Somehow
92) My Life Story - Angel
91) Elastica - 'Never Here'
90) Oasis 'Slide Away'
89. Echobelly - King of The Kerb
88)The Auteurs 'New French girlfriend'
87] Supergrass: Alright
86] Oasis: Live Forever
85) Mansun 'Wide Open Space'
84) Space 'Female Of The Species'
83) Pulp 'Mis-Shapes'
82. The Verve - This Is Music
81. Pulp - Pink Glove
80. Blur - Popscene
79) Oasis - 'Acquiesce'
78) St Et - 'you're in a bad way'
77. The Nubiles - "Layabout"
76. Shed Seven - "This Is My House"
75. Saint Etienne - "Who Do You Think You Are?"
74) Blur - "For Tomorrow" (long version obv)
73. Denim - "Job Centre"
72) Stone Roses 'Love Spreads'
71) Stone Roses 'Begging You'
70. The Stone Roses - "How Do You Sleep?"
69) Blur - "This is a Low"
68) Chemical Brothers 'Life Is Sweet'
67) The Bluetones - Slight Return
66) The Charlatans - Can't Get Out of Bed
65) Sleeper - Inbetweener
64] Pulp: Babies
63. elastica - waking up
62. pulp - she's a lady
61. The Boo Radleys - Wake Up Boo
60] The Auteurs: Unsolved Child Murder
59. The Divine Comedy - Something For The Weekend
58) Oasis: Rock'n'Roll Star
57) Lightning Seeds 'Life's Too Short'
56. Lightning Seeds feat Baddiel and Skinner - "Three Lions"
55. suede - stay together
54) Fat Les 'Vindaloo'
53) Kula Shaker 'Tattva'
52) echobelly - insomniac
51. Chumbawamba - Someone's Always Telling You How To Behave
50. Sleeper 'Vegas'
49. Garbage 'Queer'
48. Suede 'We Are The Pigs'
47. Denim - "It Fell Off The Back Of A Lorry"
46. Suede: The Chemistry Between Us
45) Catatonia "You've Got a Lot to Answer For"
44. The Divine Comedy - "I'm All You Need"
43) Northern Uproar 'Rollercoaster'
42. saint etienne - hobart paving
41. catatonia - mulder and scully
40) Babybird 'The F Word'
39. Reverend Black Grape
38) Ocean Colour Scene 'The Day We Caught the Train'
37. Bubonique - "Oi Copper"
36. Powder - 20th Century Gods
35] Black Grape: Kelly's Heroes
34. Shampoo - Trouble
33] Sleeper: Lie Detector
32) Julianne Regan's Mice - "Matt's Prozac"
31) Underworld 'Born Slippy'
30] The Wannadies: You and Me Song
29. Sexus - "How Do You Kiss?"
28. Denim - Summer Smash
27. Hollywood - Apocalypse Kiss
26. Super Furry Animals 'Northern Lights'
25] Gene: Still Can't Find The Phone
24. Blur - Best Days
23. Bis - Kandy Pop
22. The Sundays 'Summertime'
21. Tricky - Black Steel
20) Salad: Drink The Elixir
19. Blur - Stereotypes
18) Arab Strap 'First Big Weekend of the Summer'
17) Bennet - Mum's Gone To Iceland
16) Tiger - On The Rose
15) The Bluetones - Bluetonic
14. The Verve 'Sonnet'
13) 'Under Canvas Under Wraps - delgados
12) Tiny Monroe: Cream Bun
11. BabyBird - "Goodnight"
10. Rialto - "When We're Together"
9. Saint Etienne - He's On The Phone
8) Pulp 'Sorted For E's And Whizz'
7] Super Furry Animals: Hometown Unicorn
6) Ocean Colour Scene - Hundred Mile High City
5. Embassy - Box Star AM
4. Blur - Girls And Boys
3) Animal Nitrate - Suede
2] Geneva: Tranquilizer
1) Pulp - I Spy

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

argh, i was afraid someone would do this - can't we just let this stuff rest with what little dignity it retains? ;)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Not sure what I'd take out (Rialto, Sexus maybe?) but I'd add

Why? - The Sweeney

― AndyB (AndyB), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(If you can't take one out then you can't put one in)

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, get rid of fat les :)

― AndyB (AndyB), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

What stevem said. I mean, this could go on forever until every Britpop song ever has been mentioned.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

we could replace them with songs of a different genre...see who is the last union-jacked swaggart left standing..

soul, maybe...as so many of them were plundered from there in the first place. or perhaps that other peculiarly british genre known as GLAM ROCK

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I did mean this for people who weren't here this lunchtime, and for replacement of records that are not as good as the ones suggesting to be the replacees.

But it's not exactly flying in the same way, so ... never mind.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, get rid of fat les :)

Oi! I chose that.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Rialto and Geneva in the Top 10? This list sucks. And why are you putting album tracks in there? Right, if that's the case then here's my top 10:

Tracks 2 to 11 from Dog Man Star.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Then the whole of Suede and Different Class and Coming Up.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Are we considering This is Hardcore Britpop or the record that killed Britpop (I'll go with the latter but then I don't see Dog Man Star as Britpop either and you've got fecking We are the Pigs and The Asphalt World in the above list). WHAT???

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracks 2 to 11 from Dog Man Star.

good god.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

And fucking Embassy and Ocean Colour Scene? WTF?

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

BritPop was all marketing maaaan, so you can put in slightly off-lilter choices. OCS wd never have had any success *without* britpop.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

OUT:
78) St Et - 'you're in a bad way'
since it was released way before Britpop (though it's a great song)

IN:
78) Fine Time - Cast
I couldn't care less for the band, but whenever somebody mentions Britpop I automaticly think of Cast, so they do deserve a place in this list

― daarkbee, Monday, 12 January 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

We have to take...

17) Bennet - Mum's Gone To Iceland

out because it was a piece of insipid shit, and replace it with Come Out 2Nite by Kenickie cos as Ailsa noted we all forgot about them.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

OUT:
78) St Et - 'you're in a bad way'
since it was released way before Britpop (though it's a great song)

I picked that too, and frankly early 1993 is *not* 'way before' britpop, since it was contemporaneous of 'Suede' by Suede and 'Modern Life is Rubbish' by Blur and AFTER 'Popscene', the first two Suede singles, and quite possibly Pulp's 'Babies' and 'Lipgloss'. St Et invented Britpop.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

And fucking Embassy and Ocean Colour Scene? WTF?

For the first time ever, I agree wholeheartedly with the C-Man.
Off you go:
6) Ocean Colour Scene - Hundred Mile High City
Instead: Pulp: 'Help The Aged'

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

no mention of heavy stereo! hurrah!

― AndyB (AndyB), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha, you fools, it's too late, the list is ILM canon now and will be referenced every time Britpop is mentioned again.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

that's true.

You mean, no-one's done that one before?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

so, we're doing this thread after all, then...
if you're kicking out saint etienne, some comment must be made..

OUT: the lightning seeds (i mean, c'mon, anything with david baddiel on it...)
IN: heavenly: space manitee (that's an ALBUM TRACK!)

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Out: The Verve - Sonnet - because it is toss

In: Lush - Single Girl - because it is ace

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

william bloody - otm

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha there was no Lush in it either! I like the list more and more with every passing moment.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

But Tico, it's clearly the Best of Sheeyine. No-one else wd include 'Black Steel' in a list of Britpop songs would they?

'life is unfair/
kill yourself or get over it'

In 60 Foot Dolls 'Happy Shopper
Out anything by Oasis

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Out - Lightning Seeds - Life's Too Short - because it wasn't Britpop

In - Longpigs - She Said - because it was

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yes.

Any chance of getting Kenickie "Punka" in too?

Oh yeah, let's be having 6) OCS - 100 mile high thin lizzy for being miles offside.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh and come on folks, state the outgoing numbers, otherwise someone else is going to replace it twice...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

60' dolls over my dead body enrique!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Any chance of getting Kenickie "Punka" in too?
Oh yeah, let's be having 6) OCS - 100 mile high thin lizzy for being miles offside.

Oh and come on folks, state the outgoing numbers, otherwise someone else is going to replace it twice...

Yeah like I just did... ooops.

Um out goes 99) me me me as being way too generic. In goes Punka there.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Um out goes 99) me me me as being way too generic. In goes Punka there

fuck this shit!! all my choices are going to the wall.
well screw you guys:
76. Shed Seven - "This Is My House"
replaced with
TLC 'Waterfalls' which was released same day as 'Country House. Eat it.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

is 70. 'how do you sleep' a cover of the john lennon track?

if so, ditch that. and, one cover for another, 'save all your kisses for me' by kenickie.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

It isn't the John Lennon song. So it stays for now...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Fucking hell, you're all wrong. Get rid of most of this shit - fucking Kenickie, OCS, Cast, Lightning Seeds, Kula Shaker and let's try and figure out how you're defining Britpop. "This is Hardcore" is NOT Britpop so no fucking Help the Aged at number 6 thankyou very much (it's not even the best track on that album, why not go the whole hog and have the title track in there which is utterly brill?). If you're including Dog Man Star, Second Coming and This is Hardcore as Britpop albums then why not Blur, The Bends and OK Computer? You're throwing the net waaaay too wide.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I think your sensibilities are too refined for us calum.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

("fucking hell, you're all wrong" = calum's epitaph, surely.)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Weeelll, its like those punk compilations. They all seem to end on "Contort yourself" by James Chance and the Contortions or some such.

Its more or less saying "This is the door where britpop left, out of..."

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, in this case, i agree, the net is far too wide (though i suppose at least it is more specific than last time out, when i think even doc scott ended up being britpop).

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Get rid of most of this shit - fucking Kenickie, OCS, Cast, Lightning Seeds, Kula Shaker and let's try and figure out how you're defining Britpop

well... 'shit' would cover a hell of a lot of britpop...

If you're including Dog Man Star, Second Coming and This is Hardcore as Britpop albums then why not Blur, The Bends and OK Computer? You're throwing the net waaaay too wide.

okay, britpop:
a bunch of bands, some of which were similar and some of which shared no discernible common factors that were thrown together for the purposes of marketing them more effectively and for giving the nme something to write about.

you couldn't be britpop if you were REALLY serious. so, no radiohead.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

But I'd argue that Dog Man Star and This is Hardcore were waaaay more serious than anything by Radiohead...

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

you're all fucking cunts, the end

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

In the verb sense?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

stevenm, in his spare, time dresses up naked under a Santa Claus outfit, builds a wooden grotto in the middle of town centres and asks young children in to sit on his lap wherein he usually flashes himself and makes lewd and offensive facial expressions.

He is wanted all over the UK for this crime. That ILX tolerates him is despicable and just not right.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The bit where in "History today" when Baddiel turns back from Newman who has just given a "That's your mum that is", and goes...

"Oh god."

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

serious doe, what's the point of compiling a list if you're gonna just put entire albums by the same band in it, and no band should feature more than 10 times no matter how good/consistent they are - doesn't seem worthwhile to me then. the idea of the original list was to highlight the really good stuff including overlooked and underestimated tracks. everyone knows Pulp are brilliant and Suede had a lot of fine songs - that makes for a boring list. i picked 'Life's Too SHort' because i think it's a good POP song that happens to be BRITISH. granted it doesn't fit with this (horrible) Britpop aesthetic that we all recognise really but there's surely room for bending. elasticity > elastica. and i picked 'Sonnet' because it's a very very lovely song and i would like someone to present an argument against that which doesn't just amount to 'it is toss', esp. when they pick Ocean Cunting Scene (hi William! ;) - i should probably get a proper argument for why it's so good tho.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i think even doc scott ended up being britpop).

dude come on, that break from 'VIP Drumz' is straight from 'Dedicated Follower Of Fashion'

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Alright, well how about you make it three times maximum for each band?

So for Pulp you'd have: Common People, Babies and Do You Remember the First Time? (If you're doing album tracks then Pink Glove) and Suede you'd have Metal Mickey, Animal Nitrate and Beautiful Ones. Although if you're doing B-sides then To the Birds is better than all of them.

And I still say Dog Man Star and This is Hardcore are no go areas, just like "Blur" by Blur is so not Britpop...

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

the problem is if you're going to be that stringent about your definition of Britpop then all you really end up with is about seven bands.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

actually no, seven ALBUMS

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

'New Generation' not Britpop, eh? Well, as I live and breathe...

it's a very very lovely song and i would like someone to present an argument against that which doesn't just amount to 'it is toss', esp.

Oddly, this is one of those songs that's probably run through my head in these last 6 years more than many that I own. And can't explain why I dislike it. Prolly because Ashcroft is such a dickweed. I can't help liking 'Bittersweet Symphony' and a bunch of stuff of 'Northern Soul,' but he sounds too cocky on this.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

true or false: Britpop was more about drinking in crap pubs in Camden, sixth form poetry and pretending to like football than having anything to do with actual music

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

My argument against it:

- inane chorus
- horrible rock voice
- bit of a plodder as per

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"bit of a plodder as per" = verve's weak point generally.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

most Verve songs get criticised with that criticism seeming to amount to nothing more than 'Richard Ashcroft is a nobhead'. i don't think his lyrics were that trite even up to 'Urban Hymns' and even if they were they still held some conviction (and this seems much less of a problem in other pop music e.g. all songs that mention 'baby'). inane chorus? i wouldn't say so especially...again you're much harsher on this when it's a 'rock' song and not a 'pop' song it seems - preference fair enough but if all that separates the inanity between songs you love and hate is really just the genre why always focus on the lyrics so much? the plodding is pleasant enough for me. as for the voice, hmmmm, i just don't mind it - the album should've been called 'Pub Bloke Soul' instead of 'Urban Hymns' perhaps

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

ok the real reason i don't dislike it is because it doesn't get the attention/stauration that BSS and TDDW get (thank god)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Three tracks per band tops is a fair rule. Though its a bit toothpaste back in the tube at this stage...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Three tracks per poster too

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Stevem because if the lyrics are sung with such studied conviction it becomes harder to ignore them. Though actually I got the lyrics wrong - I thought it was "it sounds like a sonnet" rather than "don't sound like no sonnet", which does make more sense. It's still rare for pop songs to throw "my lord"s about thankfully.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I come to think of it most pop lyrics are either OK or actually good.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

so you're saying studied conviction is a bad thing? b-but i felt that Lene really WAS in a Barbie world!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

true or false: Britpop was more about drinking in crap pubs in Camden, sixth form poetry and pretending to like football than having anything to do with actual music

Being too young to drink, and not living in London, and not liking football to this day, and spending my sixth form with a sampler and a box of old hip hop, I can verify that it was All About The Music, Maan.

TS: 'Sonnet' vs 'Shakespeare's Way With Words'

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"please don't put your life in the hand/of a rock 'n' roll band"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

pashmina i don't think that's that bad a lyric either - any lyric off 'Be Here Now' is worse (probably)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought he was singing 'my love' not my Lord - oh my god! this song sucks!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, it's terrible! Every time I hear that song (which is easily their worst out of all those I've heard) it sort of leaps out and makes me feel all queasy!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not as bad as 'Lucky Man'

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

New Generation is the only Brit-poppy track on that album, and why are you not including The Manics?

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't stand Coldplay's 'In My Place' but i do like 'Sonnet' (and numerous U2 songs let's not forget) - but they don't seem too different really. what am i basing that on? i'm not sure - the conviction thing perhaps, only Martin blubs whereas Ashcroft just kinda moans in a manlier tone. i still think Ashcroft is the better lyricist tho (!)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i 'like' how c-man keeps referring to ILM as a single entity - why are YOU not including X or Y...there is no answer to that question, there was no executive decision taken to exclude the Manics, jeez

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

why are you not including The Manics?

You're the one complaining that the net was being thrown too wide upthread, can you make your mind up? Oh, wait a minute...

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer 'In My Place'. More humility. Why no Manics? Cos post-94 they sucked and no-one played 'The Holy Bible' at Blow Up.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"In My Place" is probably Coldplay's best lyric (faint praise ahoy).

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not as bad as 'Lucky Man'

Is it as bad as this "lucky man" though enrique?

He had white horses
And ladies by the score
All dressed in satin
And waiting by the door

Oooh, what a lucky man he was

White lace and feathers
They made up his bed
A gold covered mattress
On which he was laid

Chorus

One verse & chorus of Aaaahs

He went to fight wars
For his country and his king
Of his honor and his glory
The people would sing

Chorus

A bullet had found him
His blood ran as he cried
No money could save him
So he laid down and he died

Chorus

Chorus 2 1/2 times with Aaaahs

(x-post no-one gives a fukcing shit about the manics, that's why.)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

* i sense people sweeping up with brushes and emptying pint-pots in sinks *

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

DO YOU SEE!!!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually I can imagine R Ashcroft singing those lyrics.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

It's gawn over my head, sorry. I can't work out the lyrics to 'Clocks', but Tico put em in his Festive Fifty so maybe he can enlighten me' Seems to go

youuu aaarreeeee

over and over

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but Australia/ All Surface No Feeling/ Kevin Carter etc they're all pretty Britpop. And post Holy Bible they did suck, you're correct.
That album, Everything Must Go, was part of the big Britpop summer of 96 though where Oasis were everywhere and Suede made their big comeback...

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

sum ti tum di da great unknown
la d da di da answerphone
ti ti ti ti ti cross the stage
tigers waiting to be tamed singing...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost.. true. Include that song "We only wanna get drunk!"

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

if you want an inane chorus, the Manics are yer men (bless em)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing about 96 though was that everything was shifting towards Rock and the Manics were a big part of that - Suede were a bit of an anomaly it seemed to me, carrying the 'britpop torch' while the big players rested/flailed about after their 95 records.

I can't remember the lyrics to Clocks at all, it's not really a lyrics record is it?

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Codplay write shit. They are the worst band ever and Chris Martin needs a hard kick to the head, never mind a rush of blood to it.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

96 was the worst year for Britain since 1940, as far as I can tell.

I think the Manics played Knobworth. C-Man is right that they were part of that year as much as Suede or Oasis (who didn't actually release any new material).

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

In retrospect, Romo seems more of a logical continuation of 93-95 Britpop than does Oasis-led Britrock - although I'm sure just about every musician and NME/MM writer involved would have been horrified by that thought at the time.

Regardless, that list needs some Orlando.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Au contraire, romo instigators Taylor Parkes and Simon Price were both MM journos and no doubt liked the Pulp-Et-Suede continuum.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but that was also the summer of the Spice Girls, a solo Robbie Williams launching himself on the world with a George Michael cover, and Robson & Jerome's continued assault on the nation's eardrums. Doesn't make them Britpop.

(x post)

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Spice Girls killed it off pretty much.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

yay girl powah!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

boy if it hadn't been for big beat (sorry, amyl house) and Metalheadz '96 would've really sucked...

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Britpop death knell = the year from 'Blur' by 'Blur' (early 97) to 'This is Hardcore' by 'Pulp' (early 98).

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Britpop death knell = Southgate's penalty miss.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Britpop died : Officially:

When Britney Spears' "Baby one more time" kept Blur's "Tender" off the number one spot.

And, as Louise Wener suggested, when she heared Robbie Williams' newly recorded "Angels" debuted for her from the studio next door to hers...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

and Jeremy Bates' 2nd round exit at Wimbledon (probably)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The way I see it the Britpop ideal young British bands getting into the charts with great pop songs about being young and British. Along came the Spice Girls who were a young group getting into the charts with great pop songs about being young and British.

Britpop people had a choice which was to say "Yes! This is great too! There is room for bright girly pop in our scene!" and embrace them or to say "Hold on a minute, this is manufactured rubbish and it's not played by thoughtful blokes on proper instruments." We all know which choice was made - Blur hating their teenybopper fans etc etc - and so the "-pop" part of Britpop quietly slipped into oblivion.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Mm, we-ell, yers, but Spice Girls were crap though, manufactured or not. I mean next to Girls Aloud they're nothing.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I filled 96 with second-hand American hardcore records and generic Kranky-type spacerock to get my liking of so much Britpop out of my system; it seems to have worked quite well

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

the spice girls were great!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's an exaggeration to say Blur hated their teen fans, I think. They were just the sort of band that were wont to change direction - and Modern Life - Parklife - Great Escape made a neat trilogy of sorts.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It's an exaggeration I got from reading pretty much any interview with them from around that time.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i wonder if hating your teenage fans often comes down to the fact you hate yourself as you were at that age?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they were perhaps contemptuous of them, as a result of not being altogether comfortable with their transition from a Camden Indie to Proper Pop band, but I still think "hate" is too strong a word. Even in the case of Graham, who just was in the wrong place really

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

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