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This is the thread where we pretend we work for the World Music Network label and have been asked to compile a single-disc [repeat: single-disc] overview of a single genre for their Rough Guide series. "Genre" can mean whatever you want it to. Traditionally the Rough Guide discs have been over 60 minutes and/or at least 15 tracks long, though not always both. (The recent Rough Guide to Ska, for example, is 20 tracks totaling 48 minutes.)

So . . . let's begin!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 09:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide to Britpop

Pulp - 'Common People'
Supergrass: 'Mansize Rooster'
Oasis: 'Live Forever'
Mansun 'Wide Open Space'
Saint Etienne - 'You're In A Bad Way'
The Nubiles - 'Layabout'
Sleeper - 'Inbetweener'
The Divine Comedy - 'Something For The Weekend'
Fat Les 'Vindaloo'
Shampoo - 'Trouble'
Arab Strap 'First Big Weekend Of The Summer'
Stereolab - 'French Disko'
BabyBird - "Goodnight"
Blur - 'Girls And Boys'
Suede - 'Animal Nitrate'
McAlmont & Butler - 'Yes'
Kenickie - 'Millionaire Sweeper'
Dubstar - 'Stars'
World Of Twist - 'Sons Of The Stage'
Denim - 'It Fell Off The Back Of A Lorry'

This is going to cause some consternation - I've tried to combine pivotal tracks from both the "first" and "second" waves of Britpop (ie 1989-92 and 1993-6), while avoiding tracks so ubiquitous to incite hatred and chuck in a couple of obscure-but-worth-seeking-out bubblers too. I've also done my best not to treat Britpop like simply a musical genre, more of a cultural/socio-political one, hence Arab Strap, Stereolab and Shampoo. I fear the track order needs a little work but I've hit the wall.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 09:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide To French House

01. Motorbass 'Ezio'
02. Daft Punk 'Musique'
03. Minos Pour Main Basse (Sur La Ville) 'Le Patron Est Devene Foux!'
04. I:Cube 'Disco Cubizm (Daft Punk mix)'
05. Gabrielle 'Forget About The World (Daft Punk mix)'
06. Alan Braxe 'Vertigo'
07. Le Knight Club 'Saturn'
08. Stardust 'Music Sounds Better With You'
09. Alex Gopher 'The Child'
10. Cassius 'La Mouche (DJ Falcon mix)'
11. Modjo 'Chillin'
12. Roy Davis Jr 'Rock Shock (Thomas Bangalter mix)'
13. DJ Falcon & Thomas Bangalter 'Together'
13. Lifelike 'My Precious Diamond'
14. Syndicated Peoples 'Be Right'
15. Archigram 'Carnaval'
16. Alan Braxe & Fred Falke 'Rubicon'

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh! Thankyou Steve, you've just finally identified a handwritten (the label, not the record, smartasses) promo 12" which has been sitting in my "what the fuck is this?" pile since 1999...I knew it was Daft Punk in some shape or form but I just couldn't source the vocal sample - and it's Gabrielle! Who'dathunkit? Wonder if it's worth something...the B-side seems to bear absolutely no relation to the A.

Also, no Micronauts? "The Jag", maybe?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

oh god yes definitely 'The Jag' - either squeeze it in after Alex Gopher or have it replace the Gabrielle remix. i knew i'd forgotten something big.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

In order to convey the full glory of the "Rough Guide To...." experience, wouldn't it be necessary for the "Rough Guide to Britpop" to inexplicably fail to include anything by at least one out of Suede, Blur and Oasis; and also include a track each by e.g. Mott The Hoople and The Vapors, in a supposed attempt to provide some sort of historical context?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

no, because a real rough guide wouldn't include Mott or Vapors. they'd include some skiffle, instead.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

also we have the advantage of not having to go through licensing rigamarole here

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i was hoping the early 90s stuff would proved sufficient historical context for Britpop. After all, surely someone'll run up a 60s mod/beat pop/r&b Rough Guide in good time won't they?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"while avoiding tracks so ubiquitous to incite hatred" - I don't like this approach, but if your going to adopt it "Girls and Boys" and "Common People" have to go, surely?

― ArfArf, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

But Matos, surely it's precisely because of having to go through the "licensing rigmarole" (and consequently ending up with a "Rough Guide to Britpop" that includes nothing by by at least one out of Suede, Blur and Oasis and with tracks by Mott The Hoople and The Vapors instead of something by The Kinks / Who / Small Faces / David Bowie / Slade / T-Rex / Jam / Wire / Madness) that gives the Rough Trade series their unique charm?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah. if that's the way you want to go about it, go ahead, but I don't think we need to restrict ourselves because they have to.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the only way we can hope to recreate the feel of the originals is to get someone who knows and loves a particular genre to draw up the original list; then get someone who knows and hates that genre to delete 3 or 4 tracks from the list at random; then get someone who doesn't know or care about the genre whatsoever to choose their replacements.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

or we can not bother recreating the feel of the originals and make up our own to our own specifications, which is the ENTIRE POINT

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide to the Orb

1. The Blue Room
2. A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain that Rules from the
Centre of the Ultraworld

Just fits...

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide To... New American Teenpop

"New" meaning the current 'wave', so basically 98-04. In classic Rough Guide style there are a couple of 'historically interesting' tracks on there too. I think I need one or two more tracks to finish this off - any suggestions? I didn't want to have more than one track per artist, except for Britney and Xtina whose 'career arcs' are interesting and need illustrating. The UK/Euro Rough Guide is naturally forthcoming.

Britney Spears - Oops I Did It Again
*N'Sync - The Game Is Over
Christina Aguilera - Genie In A Bottle
LFO - Summer Girls
Jordan Knight - Give It To You
Backstreet Boys - Everybody (Backstreet's Back)
Mandy Moore - Candy
Jessica Simpson - I Think I'm In Love With You
Dream - This Is Me
Christina Milian - AM to PM
P!nk - Get The Party Started
Avril Lavigne - Sk8er Boi
Justin Timberlake - Rock Your Body
Christina Aguilera - Beautiful
Britney Spears - Toxic

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd forgotten they do single-artist ones, duh. OK then . . .

The Rough Guide to Pavement

1. AT&T
2. Box Elder
3. Conduit for Sale!
4. Forklift
5. Kentucky Cocktail (Peel Session)
6. Grounded
7. Gold Soundz
8. Shady Lane
9. Major Leagues
10. Range Life
11. Silence Kit
12. Elevate Me Later
13. Spit on a Stranger
14. Rattled by the Rush
15. Perfume-V
16. Debris Slide
17. Cut Your Hair
18. Stereo
19. Summer Babe (Winter Version)
20. Trigger Cut/Wounded Kite at :17
21. Here (Peel Session)
22. Kennel District
23. Frontwards
24. Grave Architecture
25. Date with Ikea
26. Perfect Depth
27. Carrot Rope

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide To Big Beat

01. Fatboy Slim 'Santa Cruz'
02. Chemical Brothers 'Leave Home'
03. Lionrock 'Fire Up The Shoesaw'
04. Mekon ft Schooly D 'School's Out'
05. Propellerheads 'Big Dog'
06. Psychedelia Smith 'Fixy Jointy'
07. Wink 'Higher State Of Consciousness (Tweakin Acid Funk mix)'
08. Monkey Mafia ft Patra 'Work Mi Body'
09. Lo-Fidelity All Stars ft Pigeonhed 'Battleflag'
10. Freestylers 'Freestyle Noize'
11. Hardknox 'Cos I Can'
12. Midfield General 'Devil In Sports Casual'
13. Bentley Rhythm Ace 'Bentley's Gonna Sort You Out'
14. Fatboy Slim 'Everybody Needs A 303'
15. Death In Vegas 'Opium Shuffle (Monkey Mafia mix)'
16. Wildchild 'Renegade Master (Fatboy Slim mix)'

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

lol Steve that's the soundtrack to EVERY party I went to 1997-8!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide To Baggy

01. James 'Come Home'
02. Stone Roses 'Fool's Gold'
03. Happy Mondays 'Step On'
04. The Charlatans 'The Only One I Know'
05. The Farm 'Groovy Train'
06. Soup Dragons ft Junior Reid 'I'm Free'
07. EMF 'Unbelievable'
08. Inspiral Carpets 'Caravan'
09. World Of Twist 'The Storm'
10. Primal Scream 'Loaded'
11. Northside 'Shall We Take A trip'
12. Paris Angels 'Perfume'
13. Mock Turtles 'Can You Dig It'
14. The Charlatans 'Then'
15. Blur 'She's So High'
16. Jesus Jones 'Right Here Right Now'
17. Ned's Atomic Dustbin 'Grey Cell Green'

oh dear...

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i would like to see Rough Guides to:

Crunk
Grime
Microhaus

i'm going to bootlegs and techstep next i think

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Stevem where was "Keep The Faith"?????

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Stevem where was "Keep The Faith"?????

lol and The Cure's "Never Enough", natch...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide To Bootlegs

Evolution Control Committee 'Whipped Cream'
Negativland 'U2'
Frenchbloke 'Sexy Model'
Kurtis Rush 'Forgot About Overload'
Richard X 'I Wanna Dance With Numbers'
Jacknife Lee 'Get Ur 9lb Cock On'
Skaatter 'Madonna Is A Filthy Slut'
Osymyso 'Intro Inspection (12 minute version)'
Cassette Boy 'Fly Me To New York'
Soulwax 'Dreadlock Child'
Freelance Hellraiser 'A Stroke Of Genieus'
Picasio 'Fill Me Tiger'
Sugababes 'Freak Like Me'
Conway 'Lisa's Got Hives'
Kylie Minogue 'Can't Get Blue Monday Out Of My Head (live)'

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide to German hip-hop

Fettes Brot - "Nordish By Nature"
Fantastischen Vier - "Populaer"
Tic Tac Toe - "Ich Find' Dich ScheiBe"
Deichkind - "Weit Weg"
Fischmob - ?
Funf Sterne Deluxe - "Willst Du Mit Mir Geh'n?"
Beginner - "Gustav Gans"
Curse - "Und Was Ist Jetzt"
Ferris MC - "Zur Erinnerung"

Can anyone help with finishing this?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Last time I went to Germany (in 1998) I remember seeing a video by a band called Freundeskreis, who seemed to be some sort of german white rap supergroup (ie they seemed to be made up of german rappers who I'd never heard of before until seeing them in other videos that very week).

A video called 'Dein Herz Schlagt Schneller' by Funf Sterne Deluxe was also getting what some like to call 'heavy rotation' back then.

I suppose one week in June 1998 isn't enough on which to base any kind of profound insight into german rap, but it's the only time I've ever encountered it.

― M Carty (mj_c), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Funf Sterne Deluxe are Der tobi und Das Bo from Fettes Brot if I remember rightly. Their album is called Sillium and it's fucking brilliant.

I think I'm right in saying that nobody in the UK realises quite how bit hip-hop is in Germany - German hip-hoppers frequently collaborate with RZA, ODB, Biz Markie, Fuschnickens etc, so I guess the septics are more on point.

Side note: Dizzee Rascal would sound FUCKING PHENOMENAL if he rapped in German!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I was really taken aback by how much of it there was. And some of it wasn't half bad either (notably Funf Sterne Deluxe). Was I right about Freundeskreis being a deutsche wu-tang or am I misinterpreting/misremembering?

― M Carty (mj_c), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

kinderzimmer productions - i didn't know what time it was
(yes, it is in german)

― (jg) ((jg)), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

You need some Puppetmastaz too, 'Pet Sounds' for instance.

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide to Industro-Pop (incl. historical signifiers)

KMFDM - GodHead
Ministry - Stigmata
Nitzer Ebb - Murderous
Skinny Puppy - Assimilate
Lords of Acid - I sit on Acid
Throbbing Gristle - Hot on the Heels of Love
NIN - Closer
Gruesome Twosome - Hallucination Generation
Einsturzende Neubauten - Haus der Luge
Front 242 - Headhunter
Revolting Cocks - Beers, Steers and Queers
BiGod 20 - The Bog
Kraftwerk - Metal on Metal
Thrill Kill Kult - Days of Swine and Roses
The Normal - Warm Leatherette

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide To Techstep

ed rush 'kilimanjaro'
t power 'mutant jazz (dj trace rollers instinct mix)'
blame & justice 'planet neptune'
nasty habits 'shadow boxing'
boymerang 'still'
dillinja 'deadly deep subs'
codename john 'warning'
rufige kru 'dark metal'
optical 'to shape the future'
adam f 'metropolis'
doc scott 'unofficial ghost'
peshay 'the nocturnal'
source direct 'call and response'
ed rush & optical 'funktion'
spring heeled jack 'bells'
matrix 'mute'
trace & nico 'cells'
kraken 'dominion'
dj krust ft saul williams 'coded language'

works best if tracks are mixed into each other - if i get the chance i will make this mix

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Sergio Messina- Gladio
Articolo 31- La Fidanzata
99 Posse- Curre Curre Guagliò
Almamegretta- Figli Di Annibale
Joe Cassano- Dio Lodato Per Sta Chance
Frankie Hi NRG Fight Da Faida
Gruff- 1 vs 2
La Pina- Piovono Angeli
Sottotono- Di Tormento Ce N'è Uno
Nuovi Briganti - I Fratelli Lavorano Fuori
Isola Posse - Passaparola Caparezza- Fuori Dal Tunnel
Sud Sound System - Fuecu
Sean (with Elise & DJ Double S) - Vexed
Sangue Misto - Nella Luce Delle 6:00

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me try that again....

Rough Guide to Italian Hip-Hop

Sergio Messina- Gladio
Articolo 31- La Fidanzata
99 Posse- Curre Curre Guagliò
Almamegretta- Figli Di Annibale
Joe Cassano- Dio Lodato Per Sta Chance
Frankie Hi NRG Fight Da Faida
Gruff- 1 vs 2
La Pina- Piovono Angeli
Sottotono- Di Tormento Ce N'è Uno
Nuovi Briganti - I Fratelli Lavorano Fuori
Isola Posse - Passaparola Sud Sound System - Fuecu
Sean (with Elise & DJ Double S) - Vexed
Sangue Misto - Nella Luce Delle 6:00
Caparezza- Fuori Dal Tunnel

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I demand a Rough Guide to British Hip-Hop, covering the eighties to now.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide to New Orleans Brass Bands

(in rough chronological order)

1. Eureka Brass Band 'Just a Closer Walk With Thee'
2. Dirty Dozen Brass Band 'Feet Can't Fail Me Now'
3. Dirty Dozen Brass Band 'Voodoo'
4. Rebirth Brass Band 'Do Whatcha Wanna'
5. Treme Brass Band 'Gimme My Money Back'
6. Original Pinstripe Brass Band 'Lord Lord Lord'
7. New Birth Brass Band 'D-Boy'
8. Lil' Rascals Brass Band 'Buck It Like a Horse'
9. New Birth Brass Band 'Caribbean Second Line'
10. Rebirth Brass Band 'Blackbird Special' (live)
11. Mama Digdown's Brass Band 'Word on the Street pt. II'
12. Soul Rebels Brass Band 'Rollin''
13. Rebirth Brass Band 'Rebirth Melody/Casanova'
14. Youngblood Brass Band 'Brooklyn'
15. Sixth Ward All-Stars 'Didn't He Ramble'

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide To UK Teenpop

1. Spice Girls - Say You'll Be There
2. All Saints - War Of Nerves
3. Billie - Honey To The Bee
4. Louise - 2 Faced
5. Five - Keep On Movin'
6. Blue - Fly By II
7. Busted - You Said No
8. Will Young - Leave Right Now
9. Mel C and Lisa Left-Eye Lopez - Never Be The Same Again
10. Atomic Kitten - I Need Your Love
11. Scooch - For Sure
12. Girls Aloud - Some Kind Of Miracle
13. Steps - Deeper Shade Of Blue
14. S Club Juniors - Automatic High
15. Kylie Minogue - Can't Get You Out Of My Head
16. Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Murder On The Dancefloor
17. Sugababes - Freak Like Me

Also I can't believe I left DAPHNE AND CELESTE off the US volume though they would fit better on this one.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide to UK Garage

1. Double 99 - "Ripgroove"
2. Ruff Da Menace - "Kick The Party Into Full Effect"
3. Gant - "Sound Bwoy Burial (187 Lockdown Mix)"
4. Dem 2 - "Destiny"
5. Ramsey & Fen - "Desir"e
6. Amira - "My Desire (Dreem Teem Mix)"
7. Doolally - "Straight From The Heart"
8. Artful Dodger - "Rewind"
9. DJ Zinc - "138 Trek"
10. Zed Bias - "Neighborhood"
11. Sweet Female Attitude - "Flowers (Sunship Mix)"
12. Truesteppers feat. Victoria Beckham and Dane Bowers - "Out Of Your Mind"
13. El-B feat. Juiceman - "Digital"
13. Oxide & Neutrino - "Bound 4 Da Reload"
14. Darqwan - "Said The Spider"
15. More Fire Crew - "Oi"
16. Dizzee Rascal - "I Luv U"
17. Wiley - "Ice Rink"

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide To Black Metal

1.Venom - Witching Hour
2.Bathory - Equimanthorn
3.Hellhammer - Triumph Of Death
4.Sarcofago - The Black Vomit
5.Mayhem - The Freezing Moon
6.Darkthrone - Kathaarian Life Code
7.Burzum - Det Som Engang Var
8.Immortal - Unsilent Storms In The Northern Abyss
9.Emperor - Inno A Satana
10.Summoning - Marching Homewards

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

(long songs, so only ten)

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide To late 80s British Hip Hop

Kiss AMC 'A Bit Of U2'
Wee Papa Girl Rappers 'Heat It Up'
Daddy Freddy 'Respect'
London Posse 'How's Life In London'
Outlaw Posse 'Lyrical Terrorist'
Gunshot 'First Offence'
Overlord X 'X Posse Theme'
JC001 'Never Again'
Betty Boo 'Doin' The Do'
Wildski 'Warrior'
Hijack 'Style Wars'
Caveman 'Fry You Like Fish'
Stereo MCs 'On 33'
Silver Bullet 'Bring Forth The Guillotine'
Ruthless Rap Assassins 'And It Wasn't A Dream'

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

oh hell put Derek B 'Bad Young Brother' on there as well

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'm Ready" ahead of "Fry You Like Fish" Steve, surely? Also the single version of "Never Change" by MC Buzz B? Maybe that came out too late for this.

I had you down for a big MC Tunes fan, too.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I was about to ask you, Steve...
;-)

― derek b (no relation), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide to Harpsichord Pop

Partridge Family - "Come On Get Happy"
Destiny's Child - "Bills Bills Bills"
Elvis Costello - "Green Shirt"
Pink - "There You Go"
Stranglers - "Golden Brown"
Paris Sisters - "Dream Lover"
Beatles - "Piggies"
Bjork - "Human Behaviour" (MTV "Unplugged" version)
Bryan Ferry - "I Love How You Love Me"
DeFranco Family - "Heartbeat (It's a Lovebeat)"
Left Banke - "Walk Away Renee"
Eminem - "The Real Slim Shady"
Percy Faith - "Delicado"
Yardbirds - "For Your Love"
Love - "Stephanie Says"
Judy Collins - "Both Sides Now"
Partridge Family - "I Think I Love You"

― s woods, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i prefer 'Fry You Like Fish' but those are the only two Caveman songs i know. i don't suppose you actually have copies of these tracks Tim (i don't)? i fear to him them again in a way as i expect they sound much worse than i remember. maybe add the She Rockers to that comp as well?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Very hard to find MC Tunes on soulseek it seems :(

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Scott -- you need also Mercury Rev's "Delta Sun Bottleneck Stomp" and the Neon Philharmonic's "Morning Girl."

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

11. Scooch - For Sure

Wait, did that sign say Hell? And what are we doing in this handcart?

Steve, I'd hugely welcome an unmixed CDr of that techstep comp, should you at some point be predisposed to create one for me...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Michael. I can't recall that Mercury Rev song by title...I'll have to investigate. I also left off a really good Rosemary Clooney one and a pretty good John Cale one, the titles of which escape me right now (my harpsi-comp is at home). And undoubtedly, more She'kspere/r&b/hip-hop.

― s woods, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

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Rough Guide To Dadrock (Revised 2nd edition)

Coldplay - Yellow
Paul Weller - Uh Huh Oh Yeah
Oasis - Little By Little
Starsailor - Alcoholic
The Stereophonics - A Thousand Trees
David Gray - Babylon
Chris Rea - Road To Hell
The Verve - Lucky Man
Smokin' Mojo Filters - Come Together
The Beautiful South - Perfect 10
Travis - Driftwood
Eric Clapton - Tears In Heaven
Nickelback - How You Remind Me
Dodgy - Good Enough
Manic Street Preachers - You Stole The Sun From My Heart
Cast - Fly
Catatonia - Road Rage
Ocean Colour Scene - The Riverboat Song

Bonus hidden track - Liam Gallagher & Steve Craddock - Carnation

(If it overruns it doesn't matter - those who bought it would want it on cassette anyway)

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Ian: Much better. Add a Hated tune in there, and your list will be complete.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Very rough, but here's J-Pop. (I intentionally ignored P5 Shibuya-kei stuff, since it doesn't chart that well/highly. If I have the time, I'll compile its own rough guide later.)

The Rough Guide to J-Pop, 1996-2001

Hitomi - Love 2000
Spitz - Cherry
Utada Hikaru - Addicted To You
Dragon Ash - Grateful Days
m-flo - Come Again
Shiina Ringo - Yokushitsu
Glay - However
My Little Lover - Free
Quruli - Wandervogel
The Brilliant Green - Angel Song
Judy and Mary - Motto
Morning Musume - Love Machine
Hirai Ken - Kiss Of Life
UA - Milk Tea
Mondo Grosso feat. Bird - Life
Ayumi Hamasaki - Never Ever
Amuro Namie - Can You Celebrate?

― JS Williams (js williams), Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide to Prince Productions from the '80s

Vanity 6 - Nasty Girl
The Time - 777-9311
Sheila E - The Belle of St. Mark
Andre Cymone - The Dance Electric
The Family - Screams of Passion
Madhouse - 6
Appollina 6 - Sex Shooter
The Bangles - Manic Monday
Jill Jones - Mia Bocca
The Time - Jungle Love
The Family - High Fashion
Patti Labelle - Yo Mister
Sheila E - A Love Bizarre

― Jedmond, Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's an unasked-for Rough Guide To Thatcherism: An Indie Response (only one track / three artists overlap but I claim them for indie and insist that Tom insert "Hippychick" or something...) I'm sure I've missed some blindingly obvious things.

1. Newtown Neurotics: Kick Out The Tories
2. The Redskins: Unionise!
3. McCarthy: The Procession of Popular Capitalism
4. Morrissey: Margaret On The Guillotine
5. Boothill Foot-Tappers: True Blues
6. Chumbawamba: Smash Clause 28!
7. Billy Bragg: There Is Power In A Union
8. Microdisney: Past
9. Another Sunny Day: You Should All Be Murdered
10. McCarthy: We Are All Bourgeois Now
11. Mekons: Fight The Cuts
12. The Enemy Within: Strike!
13. The Jasmine Minks: World’s No Place
14. The Men They Couldn’t Hang: Ironmasters
15. Scab Aid: Let It Be
16. Wolfhounds: Rent Act
17. Big Flame: Why Popstars Can’t Dance

11 of these 18 are by acts whose name starts with either M, B or J. this seems surprising to me.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we get a Jam & Lewis Rough Guide happening here.

Side Note - was Rhythm Nation ever widely released on vinyl?

― Jedmond, Thursday, 15 January 2004 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

my Rough Guide to Northern Soul (by no means definitive)

S.O.S - Edwin Starr
This heart of mine - Jimmy James and the Vagabonds
Everything's gonna be alright - P.P. Arnold
Out on the Floor - Dobie Gray
Baby Hit and Run - The Contours
Landslide - Tony Clarke
Tainted Love - Gloria Jones
Nothing but a heartache - Flirtations
when I'm gone - Brenda Holloway
Needle in a Haystack - Velvelettes
Girls are out to get you - Fascinations
I'm on my way - Dean Parrish
you've been gone too long - Anne Sexton
7 days too long - Chuck Wood
Do I love you - Frank Wilson
Hey Girl don't bother me - The Tams

It's a bit obvious though, but my memory is seeive like for remembering song titles.

― chris (chris), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide to B

Beck - Loser
Billy Bragg - Milkman of Human Kindness
Beach Boys - Heroes and Villains (7 min Smile version)
Bangles - Going down to Liverpool
Barry Blue - Dancing on a Saturday Night
Big Black - FishFry
Beatles - Hey Bulldog
Blur - Strange news from another star
Brinsley Schwarz - Surrender to the Rhythm
Bachman Turner Overdrive - Taking care of Business
Blondie - Hanging on the Telephone
Blue - Gonna Capture your heart
Chet Baker - Do it the hard way
The Bees - A Minha Menina
Edward Ball - The Mill Hill Self Hate Club
Kate Bush - Babooshka
Badly Drawn Boy - It came from the ground
Bis - Kandy Pop

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone care to do a Rough guide to London?

Perhaps that could be the first post on Part Two of this thread, since as julio's said elsewhere, this one's bloody enormous now and could probably do with being locked.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide to Millenial Femme R&B:

1. Aaliyah - Are You That Somebody?
2. Destiny's Child - Bugaboo
3. Kelis - Caught Out There
4. Mya & Sisqo - It's All About Me
5. Missy Elliot - Hot Boyz
6. TLC - Silly Ho
7. Destiny's Child - Perfect Man
8. Toya - I Do!
9. Whitney Houston - It's Not Right, But It's Okay
10. Aaliyah - We Need A Resolution
11. Janet Jackson - Empty
12. Kelis - Roller Rink
13. Ashanti - Voodoo
14. Destiny's Child - Survivor
15. Mya - Free
16. En Vogue - Those Dogs
17. Pink - Private Show
18. Tweet - Oops (Oh My)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Hearsay- pure and simple
Girls aloud- sound of the underground
Will young- leave right now
Gareth gates- sunshine
Lemar- dance (with u)
javine-real things
Rosie ribbons- blink
Phixx- hold on me
Liberty x- just a little
Alex parks- mad world

― lid, Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

In response to Sym's request above, I actually made a ROugh Guide to Lee Perry productions CD last year sometime. The CD's lying around the house somewhere but I've lost the tracklisting.

In its place here's a quick Rough Guide to Lee Perry's self-productions 1964 - 1986 (all of the tracks listed are credited to Lee Perry or The Upsetters or somesuch.

1. Chicken Scratch
2. Dr. Dick
3. People Funny Boy
4. The Upsetter
5. Goosy
6. Kimble
7. Return of Django
8. Drugs And Poison
9. Kentucky Skank
10. Dreamland
11. Crab Walking
12. Curly Dub
13. Zion’s Blood
14. Soul Fire
15. Throw Some Water In
16. Bionic Rats
17. Psyche and Trim
18. I Am A Madman (Dub)

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide To Croydon (Work In Progress)

Brian Auger Trinity – Come Back To Croydon
Kirsty McColl – There’s A Guy Down The Chip Shop Swears He’s Elvis
Saint Etienne – London Belongs To Me
Jeff Beck – Hi-Ho Silver Lining
Dane Bowers – Shut Up And Forget About It
Eternal – Stay
Des’ree – Feel So High
The Damned – Eloise
Captain Sensible – Happy Talk
Peter Sarstedt – Where Do You Go To My Lovely
Gary Glitter – I'm The Leader Of The Gang (I Am)
Procul Harum – Whiter Shade Of Pale

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh, forgot:

Julie Driscoll & The Brian Auger Trinity - This Wheel's On Fire

This'd be track 2, obviously.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide to 2003 Dancehall:

1. Sean Paul - Feel Alright
2. Tubby T - Ready She Ready
3. Spragga Benz - Guns & Girls
4. Wayne Marshall & Vybz Kartel - Why pt. 2
5. Kip Rich & Preditor - Head Nah Good
6. Assassin - Want To Be Free
7. Sean Paul - Close To Me
8. Sizzla - Love & Affection
9. Elephant Man - Fuck U Sign
10. Bounty Killer - Hot Like Fire
11. Vybz Kartel - Sweet to da Belly
12. Ward 21 - Bug Out
13. Sizzla - All Is Well
14. Sean Paul - Head Fi Toe
15. Vybz Kartel - Bandwagonist
16. Elephant Man - Nah Lick
17. Wayne Wonder - You Make My Life Complete
18. Beenie Man & Miss Thing - Dude
19. Elephant Man - All Out
20. Buju Banton - Five-O
21. Baby Cham - Wah Dat Fah
22. Ward 21 - Style
23. Mad Cobra - Lazy Gal
24. Vybz Kartel - Send On

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Lid you forgot the Cheeky Girls!!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim, no TOK? Bummer.

― pudding (js williams), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

11. Mr Oizo – Flat Beat

is that novelty?????

PS I WANT BROADBAND WAAAAAAH

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: TOK - I would have put "Dis Means War" on there but I already have "Close To Me" on the same riddim. TOK are cursed with always making my second or third favourite take on any riddim. Actually I would have put on their Mad Instruments version if I could remember its name.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique cast your mind back and recall why that track was a hit.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide To Warp (label) The Singles

1. Sweet Exorcist - Sweet Exorcist
2. LFO - We Are Back
3. Tricky Disco - Tricky Disco
4. Aphex Twin - On
5. Max Tundra - Children At Play
6. Squarepusher - My Red hot Car
7. Nightmares on Wax - Les Nuit
8. Vincent Gallo - So Sad
9. Broadcast - Echo's Answer
10. Mira Calix - Prickle
11. AFX - Hangable Auto Bulb 2
12. Red Snapper - Loopascoopa
13. GAK - GAK
14. David Holmes - Johnny Favourite
15. Autechre - Envane
16. The Sabres of Paradise - Wilmot
17. Two Lone Swordsmen - A Virus With Shoes

― searchanddelete, Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

les boards du canade?

― eNRIQUE (Enrique), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

WBS: glorious omission of Captain Sensible's "Croydon", nice one.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The problem with the croydon one is that it's artists whose oeuvres I'm not that familiar with, St Etienne excepted. I'm a bit ashamed that I was more anxious to keep Floetry and Katie Melua out than Gary Glitter...

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

and Dane Bowers.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

WBS - check out Mott The Hoople's "Saturday Gigs", for the bit where things are going badly for the band, very directionless, but hope is around the corner for as Ian H sings very loudly and triumphantly -

"...AND THEN WE WENT TO CROYDON!"

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't Croydon loom large in the history of the field Mice, too? I should concentrate on continuing to omit them if I were you.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I could have put forgotten Hepburn-a-likes Thunderbugs in too. Their drummer was from Croydon.

Oh, and Richard Blackwood as well. And Mica Paris.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

In fact, there really isn't much excuse for Dane Bowers being in there at all...

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It sounds like separate East Croydon and West Croydon volumes might be necessary WBS.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Do we want a second thread BTW? There's been unwieldiness complaints re. this one.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide to Native Tongues

1 .A Tribe called Quest "Award Tour"
2. A Tribe called Quest "Oh My God"
3. A Tribe called Quest "Jazz (We've Got)"
4. A Tribe called Quest "We can get down"
5. A Tribe called Quest "Luck of Lucien"
6. Black Star "Definition"
7. De La Soul "Buddy feat (feat Jungle Brothers/Q-Tip)"
8. De La Soul "Stakes is High (Remix feat Mos Def)"
9. Jungle Brothers "Straight out the jungle"
10. Mos Def "Ms. Fat Booty"
11. Mos Def, Q-Tip, Tash "Body Rock - Lyricist Lounge - Volume One)"
12. Phife Dawg "Ben Dova"
13. Talib Kweli - "Manifesto (Lyricist Lounge - Volume One)"

― Kenson, Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

OH God.

And Comet Gain. Singer used to work in Beanos. Staff there were extremely critical of me buying one of their albums.

Tom - may be advisable.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide the Blues

1 Little Walter - My Babe
2 Elmore James - Dust My Broom
3 Screamin' Jay Hawkins - I Put A Spell On You
4 BB King - Everyday I Have the Blue
5 Muddy Waters - Got My Mojo Working
6 Howlin' Wolf - Ain't Superstitious
7 Sonny Boy Williamson - Take It Easy Baby
8 Boom Boom - John Lee Hooker
9 Robert Johnson - Travelling Riverside Blues
10 Charlie Musselwhite - Christo Redemptor
11 Son Seals - Telephone Angel
12 Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble - Couldn't Stand the Weather
13 Luther Johnson, Jr. - Sweet Home Chicago
14 Koko Taylor - Big Boss Man
15 Lightnin' Hopkins - Shotgun Blues
17 Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee - Walk On
18 Memphis Slim - Life Is Like That

― Todd, Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Lock please.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique.. they'll be in the TRG to Warp Album Tracks..

― searchanddelete, Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

That'd be a bit of Living on a Prayer there, stevem?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide Two...

Because this one has got enjoyably large. I'm not going to lock this though because ppl might still want to discuss the lists posted above. But -

- if you've got a new RG, put it in the new thread please!

- if you want to discuss these ones, carry on.

Cheers!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

"Rough Guide To Croydon (Work In Progress)

The Damned – Eloise
Captain Sensible – Happy Talk"

At the risk of being a pedant: I'm not sure there's much of a link to Eloise (Capt. Sensible didn't play on that one, so even the fact that the Captain first met Ratty when they were both working as cleaners at the Fairfield Hall becomes a bit tenuous (I might as well link Eloise to Reading because Ratty and The Captain both used to work at Milletts in Broad Street!); and if you're going for a Captain Sensible solo single, wouldn't "Croydon" be a better choice, or was it just too bleedin' obvious?

Of course if you had originally wanted to licence "New Rose" and "Croydon" but found you couldn't get / afford them so you just accepted "Eloise" and "Happy Talk" 'cos they were available / cheap and you couldn't remember what the relevance was supposed to be in the first place but those were close enough; then you get bonus points for reflecting the true nature of the Rough Guide series.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Stewart - they're more there cos I know shit-all about the Damned and Captain Sensible except they were from Croydon, a bit.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

ARGH I LEFT "JOIN IN THE CHANT" OFF OF MY INDUSTRIAL DANCE GUIDE.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow. Stevem's page is fantastic.

I'm going to try and do Tom Waits and post-year 2000 jazz if I have some time tonight.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

".... I know shit-all about the Damned and Captain Sensible except they were from Croydon, a bit."

Aaaaaah, I suspected as much....

Actually the only links are the ones I described above

You really should know more about The Damned 'though 'cos they're great - and you might find the Captain's single "Croydon" amusing (co-written by Robyn Hitchcock IIRC and also available on his first solo album Women & Captain's First and the comp. Collection). Wish I could find the bloody lyrics to it on the bloody interweb.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I went for 'Murderous' myself...

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I just wanted to make the 700th post.

Sorry.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide to Dungeon Family vol. I

1. Dungeon Family – “Trans DF Express” // album: Even in Darkness
2. Outkast – “B.O.B” // album: Stankonia
3. Goodie Mob – “They Don’t Dance No Mo’” // album: Still Standing
4. Backbone – “5 Deuce – 4 Tre” // album: Concrete Law
5. Goodie Mob – “Dirty South” // album: Soul Food
6. Dungeon Family – “6 Minutes (Dungeon Family it’s on)” // album: Even in Darkness
7. Cool Breeze – “Watch for the Hook (Dungeon Family Mix)” // album: East Point’s Greatest Hits
8. Outkast – “Whole World” (feat. Killer Mike) // album: Big Boi and Dre Present...Outkast
9. Killer Mike - “Home of the Brave” // album: Monster
10. Slimm Calhoun – “Well” // album: Skinny
11. Outkast – “So Fresh, So Clean” // album: Stankonia
12. Goodie Mob – “Goodie Bag” // album: Soul Food
13. Outkast – “GHETTOMUSICK” // album: Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
14. Bubba Sparxxx – “Back in The Mud” // album: Deliverance

― Benzel Flashington, Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

No Cee-Lo?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember there's another thread for the actual RGs now!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rough Guide to Magma

1. "Riah Sahiltaahk" (1001 1001 Degrees Centigrades)
2. "Mekanik Kommandoh" (Mekanik Kommandoh)
3. Christian Vander - "Wurdah Itah" (Wurdah Itah)
4. "Theusz Haamtahk" - (BBC Londres 1974)
5. "Kohntarkosz, pts 1&2" (Kohntarkosz)
6. "Hhai" (Live)
7. "De Futura" (Udu Wudu)
8. "The Last Seven Minutes" (Attahk)
9. Weidorje - "Vilna" (Weidorje)
10. Offering - "Cosmos" (A Fiïèh )

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

OK the discussion here, lists on

The Rough Guide Two...

was too ambitious - I will lock this one.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

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