Did David Bowie coin the horrible phrase "Wham Bam, Thank You Ma'am?"

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Or was it used by morons before Suffragette City?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It's an EXTREMELY old saying.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

It's also the title of a Small Faces song.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

And a Mingus piece.

Not That Chuck, Tuesday, 20 January 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

so the answer is no, then. All the more peculiar he'd shout it out in that song, mm? Seems kinda pedestrian for Bowie, no?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

In Max Shulman's classic schmuck-goes-to-college novel "Barefoot Boy with Cheek" (1943), Asa Hearthrug, our hero, is being initiated into the Alpha Cholera fraternity. As part of the ceremony, a (putative) virgin sorority sister brings in a sheep to be sacrificed on the frat's beer-soaked altar. The boys' ritual chant?

"Ram, bam,
Thank you, ma'm."

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

He probably did coin the phrase "she's a total blam-blam" though.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Seems kinda pedestrian for Bowie, no?

Dude.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

or "Thank you for the sex, I'm off now!"

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"Your willing surrender of the flesh to my carnal desires was most appreciated, but I've got a pressing rendez-vous with my haberdasher. Cheerio!"

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Thank you for the sex, I'm off now!"

That would've sounded SO much cooler.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

sad cafe's 'FANX TA-RA' album cover picture to thread !!

piscesboy, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe Bowie heard this (considering he was familiar with Stooges albums):

"ROCKET REDUCER NO.62 (RAMA LAMA FA FA FA)"
Words & music by MC5 [1969]

After some good tokes and a six pack
We can sock 'em out for you
Till you're flat on your back
You know i got to keep it up
Cause i'm a natural man
I'm a born hell raiser
And i don't give a damn
I'm the man for you baby
I'm the man for you baby
I'm the man for you baby
I'm the man for you baby
I'm the man for you

Workin' here before your momma
soakin wet
You think you're satisfied
You ain't seen nothing yet
I said WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM

I'm a born ass pincher
And i don't give a damn
(chorus)
lead…
Rama lama fa fa fa…

You can lay it down on me, momma
Any old time
We can shimmy so good
We'll both be stoned O-Mind
I'm irresistably bad
The cooles' what am
Robin Tyner's the name
And i kick out the jams

(chorus)

willem (willem), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm a born ass pincher and I don't give a damn."
I think I just found my wedding vows.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(hey man) oh leave me alone you know
(hey man) oh henry, get off the phone, I gotta
(hey man) I gotta straighten my face
This mellow thighed chick just put my spine out of place

(hey man) my schooldays insane
(hey man) my work’s down the drain
(hey man) well she’s a total blam-blam
She said she had to squeeze it but she..and then she..

Oh don’t lean on me man, cause you can’t afford the ticket
I’m back from suffragette city
Oh don’t lean on me man
Cause you ain’t got time to check it
You know my suffragette city
Is outta sight...she’s all right

(hey man) ah henry, don’t be unkind, go away
(hey man) I can’t take you this time, no way
(hey man) droogie don’t crash here
There’s only room for one and here she comes, here she comes

Oh don’t lean on me man, cause you can’t afford the ticket
I’m back on suffragette city
Oh don’t lean on me man
Cause you ain’t got time to check it
You know my suffragette city
Is outta sight...she’s all right

Oh hit me!

Oh don’t lean on me man, cause you can’t afford the ticket
I’m back from suffragette city
Oh don’t lean on me man
Cause you ain’t got time to check it
You know my suffragette city
Don’t lean on me man, cause you can’t afford the ticket
I’m back from suffragette city
Oh don’t lean on me man
Cause you ain’t got time to check it
You know my suffragette city
Is outta sight...she’s all right

A suffragette city, a suffragette city
I’m back on suffragette city, I’m back on suffragette city
Ooo, sufraggete city, ooo, suffragette city
Oooh-how, sufragette city, oooh-how, sufragette,

Ohhh, wham bam thank you ma’am!
A suffragette city, a suffragette city
Quite all right
A suffragette city
Too fine
A suffragette city, ooh, a sufragette city
Oh, my sufragette city, oh my suffragette city
Oh, suffragette
Suffragette!

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Seems the song's about Dave asking his mate (Henry) to bugger off as he's got this 'mellow thighed chick' coming round for some jiggery pokery.

More specifically, I think Dave's making a stab at satire: the guys are obviously pseudo-bohemian types - MC5/Mingus/Small Faces referencing, calling each other 'droogie' and 'man'. But equally, these apparent bohemians will appropriate feminism and feminist terminology in order to a) get laid and b) explain to their best friend quite how good it was. Homoerotic and politically charged - emphasised by the backing chorus repeating and repeating, as if to shove it down your throat (natch), 'hey man' (man, yes, man, that was man). And all the time he's pointing out how seductive that kinda attitude is, as the song rocks along like the aforementioned MC5, Small Faces or Mingus at their best.

Yes?

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Works for me. Nice.

willem (willem), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

in vanity fair's november issue, in an article about his favourite vinyl albums, bowie acknowledged to have taken this catchphrase from charles mingus.

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

This mellow thighed chick just put my spine out of place

Not 'the smell of fat chick' as I once thought then.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Not 'the smell of fat chick' as I once thought then.

You're not the only one Enrique.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The "I'm" makes some difference. I always thought ".. you can't afford the ticket back from suffragette city" i.e. "sorry babe, you got all feminist on us, and now you're stuck with it." ..never did figure out who Henry was. "dont lean on me, MAN" = calling a suffragette a man = equality = androgyny.


Guess that was wrong tho.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

In the context of the Ziggy story I always thought it was about shagging groupies.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the leaning/ticket line is more an example of hipster metaphor speak: look Henry, don't bother me, leave now because I'm outta your league.

And I think the 'don't lean on me MAN' is more addressed to Henry than the 'suffragette'. But it does emphasise the fact that we're talking about gender and, moreover, as it's done kinda 'out of the song' rather than directly sung, it emphasises the idea that somehow the music and the rock star himself is complicit in the dodgy state of affairs.

As for the groupie shagging thing, I'm sure it could be, or at least a particularly Ziggy version ie look my bisexual partner (Henry), leave now cos I've hooked up with a woman.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this Henry?

Or could it be Henry Edwards, the guy who wrote 'Stardust: The David Bowie Story', who was/is an American journalist who met Bowie in the early 70's. However, he seems to have written another book with May Pang who (I think) posts here. So he could post here as well.

So I'll shut it.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I may have missed someone saying this already but I always understood it was a slang term for premature ejaculation ( which I knew before I noticed it in the Bowie song). So "Thank you for the sex, I'm off now!" isn't quite the same thing.

ArfArf, Thursday, 22 January 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Mingus credited the phrase to Buddy Rich I think

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 22 January 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)


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